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Post by MariBrown on Dec 15, 2020 8:13:36 GMT
Thanks to everyone for their help and reassurance when dealing with my former DA. Knowing my situation, my sister had her friend call me. Is her boyfriend a DA? I can't answer this.
He will not allow her to post photos of him, them, or photos of a place/event they attended together (even if neither is in the photo) on social media. She's not allowed to tag him on anything. After 8 months of dating, he will not change his relationship status on Facebook
They are in some sort of relationship, but when she asks about it he states he doesn't like labels and wants them to just go with the flow. She wants a committed relationship, but he won't talk about it. She is afraid of losing him if she pushes the subject, so she says nothing and tries to show him what a great "catch" she is.
The scared to commit is classic DA, but I'm not sure about his social media behavior. Any suggestions?
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Post by alexandra on Dec 15, 2020 18:57:03 GMT
MariBrown, I think the bigger question is, is your sister AP? He may be avoidant, he may be a narcissist, he may just be kind of a jerk, but it's not the question that will give her answers. He and your sister don't want the same things right now. 8 months is a long time to refuse to commit and fear labels, and she won't lose anything much if she leaves... she'll lose her time and opportunity to meet someone looking for the same things if she stays. I suppose since you're asking and not her, she's likely not ready to look into her side and figure out why she'll stay for crumbs. But when I had a fearful-avoidant yet official bf being weird about the social media thing, he said it was in part because he didn't want the site to keep tabs on him and updates it very little. After several months, I said, can you at least delete that you're single then, so it's just blank? He said oh absolutely, the less info I'm showing the better. So he did that, and never updated that he was in a relationship with me (even after years). He'd say he wanted the same things as me but actions didn't reflect it. Moving on and addressing my own AP was the best thing I could do to find a healthy and satisfying romantic relationship.
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Post by MariBrown on Dec 16, 2020 4:20:40 GMT
Hi Alexandra,
I hoped you would see this. The lady is my sister's friend. My sister would've already dropped kicked the jerk out the back door. Time to get out the wine and tissues. This grown boy lives in the next town over (population 3,507), if you start a small town investigating, you'll get answers. You might want to sit down, because he takes Dismissive Avoidant to a new level. Romeo divorced in 1988 (confirmed by county records) and has never remarried. Alexandra, this man has been doing this to women for 32 years! After the "talk" some women will not put up with him and leave, while others will hang around hoping they can change him. Those who hang in there usually get the boot when he finds a new love interest. My guess, he won't change his relationship status on Facebook, because he "IS" looking for other women. This guy wants his cake and eat it too! You can't tell me this man is acting on a subconscious level.
We have a sticky situation here. Should we tell her? There should be a national registry for men like him. My heart is literally aching for her as I type this.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 16, 2020 4:58:36 GMT
MariBrown, I'm glad it's not your sister!!!! He sounds like he could be a narcissist. Dismissive avoidants don't just use people that way... they have feelings but connection to self is harder to access and intimacy can make them shut down. They may not make good partners, but they're not trying to be intentionally hurtful if there isn't something else going on. This man sounds like he doesn't care about anyone's feelings! You're limited in what you can do. As I said, the friend is codependent and probably AP. She knows she's not being treated well but is choosing to stay. If she's older too, then this probably isn't her first rodeo in being in an imbalanced relationship. She may not be ready to stand up for herself. The most direct solution to her problems is if she wants to explore and get help for her AP, but it's such a personal decision that there's very, very little you can do besides ask if she's familiar with attachment theory and see if she's interested in learning more. Jeb, the site owner, has his book, and there's also the book Attached, as intro points. If she's staying with him through all this so far, then she knows he's not treating her right and rationalizing it anyway, so she probably won't hear criticism of him... though it's still good for her to know he's not a good partner and it's him not her, in case she's ever ready to start processing. (Hearing it when she's ready to hear it can be positive reinforcement.) Ick.
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Post by tnr9 on Dec 16, 2020 5:26:14 GMT
You could also point her to the website...it’s all about him....that is the website I found when I figured out that I was seeing a narcissist.
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Post by anne12 on Dec 16, 2020 6:33:26 GMT
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Post by MariBrown on Dec 19, 2020 7:50:21 GMT
This man sounds like he doesn't care about anyone's feelings! DA or Narcissist? I wish people would give you the whole story at once. Last year an old girlfriend popped into the picture (based on my sister's age 30+ years ago). That started a commitment argument, she left, he was with the old girlfriend before sun set. Four months later she took him back, but he really never stopped seeing the old girlfriend. Night before the surgery, hours before she was to pick him up to take him to the hospital, he was with the old girlfriend. Give the jerk a chance and he runs right back to the old girlfriend. It sounds like a casual relationship, but he's seen her at least twice after the surgery to talk and hang out, but because they are not in a commitment relationship, she says nothing. Her justification, he always comes back to me. He came to me to care for him, etc. I'm starting to learn toward Narcissist. DA's don't use other people to deactivate. It's very hard to see the red flags when you're in a relationship, but this situation with my sister's friend has really opened my eyes and shown me just how damaging a relationship with a toxic or unhealthy person can be. She's never been married and is so desperate to be so that she's in a state of total denial.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 19, 2020 20:44:31 GMT
They're not mutually exclusive. People with personality disorders have attachment styles, too. However, DAs without comorbid mental issues such as personality disorders don't totally lack empathy or act vindictive, as this guy sounds like he does. DA get triggered into shutdown by intimacy and also lack good communication skills, as do all insecure attachment style types. All this extra malicious and using-others behavior doesn't sound like DA alone. She should definitely be steering clear, but as I said, she doesn't sound ready to hear or face it :/
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Post by tnr9 on Dec 20, 2020 13:44:45 GMT
Soooo....the website it’s all about him goes into the traits of a narcissist and has a great forum section. I used to post there when I was seeing a classic narcissist.
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Post by MariBrown on Dec 20, 2020 17:15:08 GMT
He does not meet the 9 official criteria for NPD, so comorbid mental issues makes sense. They broke up last night and she is back at her home. According to my sister he's been withdrawing and giving her hints to leave. He didn't like it, but I give her two thumbs up, she didn't go quietly. Maybe she's starting to see the light.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 20, 2020 20:48:14 GMT
They broke up last night and she is back at her home. According to my sister he's been withdrawing and giving her hints to leave. He didn't like it, but I give her two thumbs up, she didn't go quietly. Maybe she's starting to see the light. This is good news for her. It'll feel bad for a while and probably like withdrawal so she may want to go back sometimes, but it's definitely for the best longer-term! I hope she can stick with the breakup. He sounds terrible, even if he doesn't meet the criteria (though I don't believe you need to meet All, maybe most?).
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Post by alice on Dec 21, 2020 7:44:15 GMT
I believe an official clinical diagnosis for a narcissist is when you meet five of the nine DSM criteria in a pervasive way, meaning, not just occasionally but regularly. You definitely don't have to meet all 9, but one is not enough.
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Post by MariBrown on Dec 23, 2020 9:12:53 GMT
I believe an official clinical diagnosis for a narcissist is when you meet five of the nine DSM criteria in a pervasive way, meaning, not just occasionally but regularly. You definitely don't have to meet all 9, but one is not enough. Thanks Alice, It's hard for me to gauge a narcissist, because my ex-husband was called that for three years by my legal team and others. Only when I started seeing a therapist did I learn I married and had a child with a full blown psychopath (she was given access to court documents, medical records, guardian ad litem reports, etc.). I thought psychopath's were serial killers. Seems that's not always the case and boy can they do a number on you.
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