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Post by annes on Feb 9, 2021 3:21:31 GMT
During the last few months I've made a lot of introspection and learnt more about myself. I am single after 14 years in relationships and honestly, despite being the dumper of the longest one, I struggle with loneliness. I fantasize all the time about emotionally unavailable people, and crave connection to a point that I cant focus well when I work or function normally, because I am so used to rely on someone else that I literally dont know how to live without anyone being there for me. I also moved abroad and dont have many friends, and the pandemic surely doesnt help. I eventually realized that all those fantasies are nothing but EMOTIONAL HUNGER. It's like having a void inside and trying to fill it with no matter what. Super unhealthy. I definitely want to change. I am SUPER AWARE of my AP patterns but cant seem to be able to progress. It's like I have a deep rooted belief that I'm worthless and only an external confirmation makes me feel okay. I really want this to stop. I want to be free. I have realized that I stuck with relationships even though they were unsatisfying and in fact it took a lot of time and suffering to leave. Honestly I've been reading a lot, watched excellent videos on attachment styles and codependency, on self love and self care, but I still feel bad. It's incredibly difficult, I just want to be free to be creative and do my own thing without craving connection and desperately waiting for someone to "save" me. When I'm fixated on someone I know it's not really about them, but about me and my inner void, the unmet emotional needs since I was a child Watched tons of videos on self love and self care but I just don't believe that eating healthy and exercising can change much. How to shift from awareness to subconscious change? Therapy, I tried that, again: lots of awareness, but deep down the dynamic is still the same.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 9:39:05 GMT
Hi annes, just want to say that awareness is only a starting point, and it's not going to change how you feel about yourself. It makes aware of your patterns and the motivate behind them, but to change how you feel about yourself requires acceptance and action. So, you can't force your beliefs to change just by introspecting on them. Honestly, I think eating healthy and exercising can help ONLY because they are specific actions one will take when they care about themselves. People get the cause and effect kinda wrong - people engage in self care because they care about themselves and make moves towards taking care of themselves. People do not suddenly care about themselves because they take bubble baths and do yoga. Doing yoga makes me feel good about myself because I am taking steps to engage in things that make me feel good. Does that make sense? it's important to practice self-care acts because what you are practicing is the action of taking care of yourself. When that action is in motion, it repeats the thought that you are being taken care of and you are worthy of that. That is the thought that requires practicing - it may be eating healthy, exercising, crying, sleeping, reading a book, cooking, whatever! Beliefs are just thoughts that keep getting repeated. So, to change that belief of worthlessness, you need to be practicing thoughts of self-worth, and that can only be truly achieved when you align thoughts and action. you have to practice thinking it and doing things that reaffirm that thought. For a lot of people, eating healthy and exercising work because you are literally taking care of your body and yourself, and it's clear to yourself and everyone else that you take care of your body because you value yourself. In short, these acts are just manifestations of self-worth, or at least valuing of self. you need to find your own way of treating yourself well so that you are practicing doing it. for me, it was crying when i wanted. stepping away from people when i wanted and not caring if their feelings were hurt. it was making sure I felt attractive and rested (facials and walks). To shift from awareness to subconscious change requires action - engaging in healthy behaviors that make you feel good, protected and cared for. It goes without saying that looking for external confirmation and dating insecure partners are NOT such behaviors! Have you thought about what you like to do?
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Post by tnr9 on Feb 9, 2021 16:25:19 GMT
During the last few months I've made a lot of introspection and learnt more about myself. I am single after 14 years in relationships and honestly, despite being the dumper of the longest one, I struggle with loneliness. I fantasize all the time about emotionally unavailable people, and crave connection to a point that I cant focus well when I work or function normally, because I am so used to rely on someone else that I literally dont know how to live without anyone being there for me. I also moved abroad and dont have many friends, and the pandemic surely doesnt help. I eventually realized that all those fantasies are nothing but EMOTIONAL HUNGER. It's like having a void inside and trying to fill it with no matter what. Super unhealthy. I definitely want to change. I am SUPER AWARE of my AP patterns but cant seem to be able to progress. It's like I have a deep rooted belief that I'm worthless and only an external confirmation makes me feel okay. I really want this to stop. I want to be free. I have realized that I stuck with relationships even though they were unsatisfying and in fact it took a lot of time and suffering to leave. Honestly I've been reading a lot, watched excellent videos on attachment styles and codependency, on self love and self care, but I still feel bad. It's incredibly difficult, I just want to be free to be creative and do my own thing without craving connection and desperately waiting for someone to "save" me. When I'm fixated on someone I know it's not really about them, but about me and my inner void, the unmet emotional needs since I was a child Watched tons of videos on self love and self care but I just don't believe that eating healthy and exercising can change much. How to shift from awareness to subconscious change? Therapy, I tried that, again: lots of awareness, but deep down the dynamic is still the same. So I think a key in all of this is your longing for connection and feeling lonely. During this pandemic...it is completely understandable that those cravings would go into high gear. I still miss B.....last night I had a solid 30 minutes of missing him even though I know we were not a great pairing. I just allowed myself to miss that connection while showing empathy towards myself. Do you have friends you can connect with? I have 1 friend who touches base with me every single day and that helps.
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Post by annieb on Feb 10, 2021 13:08:42 GMT
During the last few months I've made a lot of introspection and learnt more about myself. I am single after 14 years in relationships and honestly, despite being the dumper of the longest one, I struggle with loneliness. I fantasize all the time about emotionally unavailable people, and crave connection to a point that I cant focus well when I work or function normally, because I am so used to rely on someone else that I literally dont know how to live without anyone being there for me. I also moved abroad and dont have many friends, and the pandemic surely doesnt help. I eventually realized that all those fantasies are nothing but EMOTIONAL HUNGER. It's like having a void inside and trying to fill it with no matter what. Super unhealthy. I definitely want to change. I am SUPER AWARE of my AP patterns but cant seem to be able to progress. It's like I have a deep rooted belief that I'm worthless and only an external confirmation makes me feel okay. I really want this to stop. I want to be free. I have realized that I stuck with relationships even though they were unsatisfying and in fact it took a lot of time and suffering to leave. Honestly I've been reading a lot, watched excellent videos on attachment styles and codependency, on self love and self care, but I still feel bad. It's incredibly difficult, I just want to be free to be creative and do my own thing without craving connection and desperately waiting for someone to "save" me. When I'm fixated on someone I know it's not really about them, but about me and my inner void, the unmet emotional needs since I was a child Watched tons of videos on self love and self care but I just don't believe that eating healthy and exercising can change much. How to shift from awareness to subconscious change? Therapy, I tried that, again: lots of awareness, but deep down the dynamic is still the same. Hey Anne - exercise is a great start and so is eating healthy and videos. If you want more progress, you will hav to delve deeper into the traumas of your past that shaped you. That’s only really doable with a good therapist. I’ve had a few experiences with therapists and it really depends on who you are working with, and what your goals are. But if you tell them that you need to address your childhood traumas (some of which you probably don’t remember consciously), it could help the therapist lead you in the right direction. A professional and experienced therapist would lead you there gently, but maybe a less experienced one would need your cue.
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Post by annes on Feb 15, 2021 14:34:10 GMT
Hi annes , just want to say that awareness is only a starting point, and it's not going to change how you feel about yourself. It makes aware of your patterns and the motivate behind them, but to change how you feel about yourself requires acceptance and action. So, you can't force your beliefs to change just by introspecting on them. Honestly, I think eating healthy and exercising can help ONLY because they are specific actions one will take when they care about themselves. People get the cause and effect kinda wrong - people engage in self care because they care about themselves and make moves towards taking care of themselves. People do not suddenly care about themselves because they take bubble baths and do yoga. Doing yoga makes me feel good about myself because I am taking steps to engage in things that make me feel good. Does that make sense? it's important to practice self-care acts because what you are practicing is the action of taking care of yourself. When that action is in motion, it repeats the thought that you are being taken care of and you are worthy of that. That is the thought that requires practicing - it may be eating healthy, exercising, crying, sleeping, reading a book, cooking, whatever! Beliefs are just thoughts that keep getting repeated. So, to change that belief of worthlessness, you need to be practicing thoughts of self-worth, and that can only be truly achieved when you align thoughts and action. you have to practice thinking it and doing things that reaffirm that thought. For a lot of people, eating healthy and exercising work because you are literally taking care of your body and yourself, and it's clear to yourself and everyone else that you take care of your body because you value yourself. In short, these acts are just manifestations of self-worth, or at least valuing of self. you need to find your own way of treating yourself well so that you are practicing doing it. for me, it was crying when i wanted. stepping away from people when i wanted and not caring if their feelings were hurt. it was making sure I felt attractive and rested (facials and walks). To shift from awareness to subconscious change requires action - engaging in healthy behaviors that make you feel good, protected and cared for. It goes without saying that looking for external confirmation and dating insecure partners are NOT such behaviors! Have you thought about what you like to do? I think you put this very compellingly. So I think my problem is that I should first BELIEVE that engaging in actions that put self-worth into action will change something. As I've said in another post, I'm reading about meditation and CBT techniques and this is being tremendously helpful. I do know what I like to do, the problem is that I keep feeling the void and craving connection. LEarning about CBT I am slowly trying to train my mind to redirect itself to more constructive thoughts than fantasies and pointless selfblame. I think I need to learn this first in order to make space for actual self-worth actions. I would like to know more about your experience, since when you've been doing this? Do you feel like practicing self-worth you earned secure? How much time did it take (I know it's personal and relative, but just to get a grasp on how other people may handle this, as I feel completely alone in this journey...)? Thank you.
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Post by annes on Feb 15, 2021 14:36:02 GMT
During the last few months I've made a lot of introspection and learnt more about myself. I am single after 14 years in relationships and honestly, despite being the dumper of the longest one, I struggle with loneliness. I fantasize all the time about emotionally unavailable people, and crave connection to a point that I cant focus well when I work or function normally, because I am so used to rely on someone else that I literally dont know how to live without anyone being there for me. I also moved abroad and dont have many friends, and the pandemic surely doesnt help. I eventually realized that all those fantasies are nothing but EMOTIONAL HUNGER. It's like having a void inside and trying to fill it with no matter what. Super unhealthy. I definitely want to change. I am SUPER AWARE of my AP patterns but cant seem to be able to progress. It's like I have a deep rooted belief that I'm worthless and only an external confirmation makes me feel okay. I really want this to stop. I want to be free. I have realized that I stuck with relationships even though they were unsatisfying and in fact it took a lot of time and suffering to leave. Honestly I've been reading a lot, watched excellent videos on attachment styles and codependency, on self love and self care, but I still feel bad. It's incredibly difficult, I just want to be free to be creative and do my own thing without craving connection and desperately waiting for someone to "save" me. When I'm fixated on someone I know it's not really about them, but about me and my inner void, the unmet emotional needs since I was a child Watched tons of videos on self love and self care but I just don't believe that eating healthy and exercising can change much. How to shift from awareness to subconscious change? Therapy, I tried that, again: lots of awareness, but deep down the dynamic is still the same. So I think a key in all of this is your longing for connection and feeling lonely. During this pandemic...it is completely understandable that those cravings would go into high gear. I still miss B.....last night I had a solid 30 minutes of missing him even though I know we were not a great pairing. I just allowed myself to miss that connection while showing empathy towards myself. Do you have friends you can connect with? I have 1 friend who touches base with me every single day and that helps. Thank you for your reply. Yes I do have friends. We have long conversations sometimes and it's a bliss. However I want to learn to overcome this feeling stuck in dreams and un-reality by myself, without relying on others. A call from a friend is soothing for a few hours and then I'm back to my personal hell. So I'm really really invested in regaining some sort of self-mastery, no one will save me from my hell but me...
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Post by annes on Feb 15, 2021 14:42:14 GMT
During the last few months I've made a lot of introspection and learnt more about myself. I am single after 14 years in relationships and honestly, despite being the dumper of the longest one, I struggle with loneliness. I fantasize all the time about emotionally unavailable people, and crave connection to a point that I cant focus well when I work or function normally, because I am so used to rely on someone else that I literally dont know how to live without anyone being there for me. I also moved abroad and dont have many friends, and the pandemic surely doesnt help. I eventually realized that all those fantasies are nothing but EMOTIONAL HUNGER. It's like having a void inside and trying to fill it with no matter what. Super unhealthy. I definitely want to change. I am SUPER AWARE of my AP patterns but cant seem to be able to progress. It's like I have a deep rooted belief that I'm worthless and only an external confirmation makes me feel okay. I really want this to stop. I want to be free. I have realized that I stuck with relationships even though they were unsatisfying and in fact it took a lot of time and suffering to leave. Honestly I've been reading a lot, watched excellent videos on attachment styles and codependency, on self love and self care, but I still feel bad. It's incredibly difficult, I just want to be free to be creative and do my own thing without craving connection and desperately waiting for someone to "save" me. When I'm fixated on someone I know it's not really about them, but about me and my inner void, the unmet emotional needs since I was a child Watched tons of videos on self love and self care but I just don't believe that eating healthy and exercising can change much. How to shift from awareness to subconscious change? Therapy, I tried that, again: lots of awareness, but deep down the dynamic is still the same. Hey Anne - exercise is a great start and so is eating healthy and videos. If you want more progress, you will hav to delve deeper into the traumas of your past that shaped you. That’s only really doable with a good therapist. I’ve had a few experiences with therapists and it really depends on who you are working with, and what your goals are. But if you tell them that you need to address your childhood traumas (some of which you probably don’t remember consciously), it could help the therapist lead you in the right direction. A professional and experienced therapist would lead you there gently, but maybe a less experienced one would need your cue. Hi Annie, thank you, I did do therapy for over a year, which helped tremendously to handle my break up and overcoming guilt. We talked a lot about my childhood trauma and the therapist helped me seeing the patterns of my response to stress. My depressed mother wasn't really there for me and kept me making me feel as if I didn't matter; also, I kind of had to take care of her and be worried about her all the time despite being just a kid. This has left a deep wound that I'm addressing for the first time in my life right now, as I'm really seeing the consequences of it in all my decisions and behaviors if I consider them in retrospect.But when it actually came to learn how to handle life alone I didn't find therapy helpful. I think it's because in that case CBT is probably better and the therapy I was doing was different. And I kind of understand why now: because it's really just up to me. I have to wake up. Stop letting myself indulge into fantasy and self-blame and hopeless longing. I have to be more constructive and no one can help me in this. I think I'm starting to really understand how all of this work....It's just me. I have to actively take care of myself, no one is gonna save me from myself.
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Post by tnr9 on Feb 15, 2021 15:45:58 GMT
So I think a key in all of this is your longing for connection and feeling lonely. During this pandemic...it is completely understandable that those cravings would go into high gear. I still miss B.....last night I had a solid 30 minutes of missing him even though I know we were not a great pairing. I just allowed myself to miss that connection while showing empathy towards myself. Do you have friends you can connect with? I have 1 friend who touches base with me every single day and that helps. Thank you for your reply. Yes I do have friends. We have long conversations sometimes and it's a bliss. However I want to learn to overcome this feeling stuck in dreams and un-reality by myself, without relying on others. A call from a friend is soothing for a few hours and then I'm back to my personal hell. So I'm really really invested in regaining some sort of self-mastery, no one will save me from my hell but me... Sooo....I too struggled with daily loops of thoughts and had a really hard time with breaking that pattern until a very astute doctor suggested that perhaps my serotonin levels were low and recommended an SSRI. For me, it has been a game changer. Before I felt stuck in a loop of emotions...unable to break free from ruminating and now, when I do ruminate...it is often time bound and what the SSRI does is allows me access to “reason” and the ability to “pause” and make better choices. I would talk to your doctor and see if perhaps one of your hormones is off. I really wish I had pursued this route decades ago.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 5:18:09 GMT
Hi annes , just want to say that awareness is only a starting point, and it's not going to change how you feel about yourself. It makes aware of your patterns and the motivate behind them, but to change how you feel about yourself requires acceptance and action. So, you can't force your beliefs to change just by introspecting on them. Honestly, I think eating healthy and exercising can help ONLY because they are specific actions one will take when they care about themselves. People get the cause and effect kinda wrong - people engage in self care because they care about themselves and make moves towards taking care of themselves. People do not suddenly care about themselves because they take bubble baths and do yoga. Doing yoga makes me feel good about myself because I am taking steps to engage in things that make me feel good. Does that make sense? it's important to practice self-care acts because what you are practicing is the action of taking care of yourself. When that action is in motion, it repeats the thought that you are being taken care of and you are worthy of that. That is the thought that requires practicing - it may be eating healthy, exercising, crying, sleeping, reading a book, cooking, whatever! Beliefs are just thoughts that keep getting repeated. So, to change that belief of worthlessness, you need to be practicing thoughts of self-worth, and that can only be truly achieved when you align thoughts and action. you have to practice thinking it and doing things that reaffirm that thought. For a lot of people, eating healthy and exercising work because you are literally taking care of your body and yourself, and it's clear to yourself and everyone else that you take care of your body because you value yourself. In short, these acts are just manifestations of self-worth, or at least valuing of self. you need to find your own way of treating yourself well so that you are practicing doing it. for me, it was crying when i wanted. stepping away from people when i wanted and not caring if their feelings were hurt. it was making sure I felt attractive and rested (facials and walks). To shift from awareness to subconscious change requires action - engaging in healthy behaviors that make you feel good, protected and cared for. It goes without saying that looking for external confirmation and dating insecure partners are NOT such behaviors! Have you thought about what you like to do? I think you put this very compellingly. So I think my problem is that I should first BELIEVE that engaging in actions that put self-worth into action will change something. As I've said in another post, I'm reading about meditation and CBT techniques and this is being tremendously helpful. I do know what I like to do, the problem is that I keep feeling the void and craving connection. LEarning about CBT I am slowly trying to train my mind to redirect itself to more constructive thoughts than fantasies and pointless selfblame. I think I need to learn this first in order to make space for actual self-worth actions. I would like to know more about your experience, since when you've been doing this? Do you feel like practicing self-worth you earned secure? How much time did it take (I know it's personal and relative, but just to get a grasp on how other people may handle this, as I feel completely alone in this journey...)? Thank you.
Hi annes, I see in your other post that you said it's about you taking care of yourself, and no one else can do it. I think this is absolutely the key - it was also one of my turning points. Deciding that I will not rely on anyone, not even therapists or whatever, except myself to take care of myself was psychologically crucial. I stopped looking towards outside for help and validation, even when I didn't have any to provide myself. I didn't practice self-worth using therapy or anything, i literally got tired of being blamed by other insecures and for placing them before me. It got me nothing, not even money, so it was all a very pointless exercise that didn't earn me anything except trouble and pain. Self-blame is the same - it didn't help me achieve anything beyond pointless self-indulgence, so what for engage with it? It is not that I do not blame myself, but I simply acknowledge that I do, and leave it as is while focusing on being neutral about all things good/bad. At the same time, I decided that I may not deserve/entitled to good things, but I sure as hell don't deserve bad things. There's a difference between having no self-worth and self-hate, and getting to neutrality is critical - only from a neutral point can you decide where you want to go. Consider it like arriving at an intersection, and having multiple roads. I decided also to live in reality - what do I have and do not have NOW as a fact, rather than ruminate and focus on what could be or what I want i.e., fantasies. I don't think you need to believe in engaging actions and twist yourself into a pretzel into that belief. I didn't do meditation nor CBT (but I do have a psychology background so those practices weren't new to me), I only did lots of guided meditations that helped me sleep i.e., reset. a belief is simply a thought you keep repeating - stop repeating those thoughts and find new ones to think. You do not need to make yourself think thoughts, just pay attention to yourself and find those that occurs naturally to you. It's usually very very small and fleeting e.g., this shower makes me feel refreshed, oo this coffee hits the spot, it's a really quiet lovely afternoon. That is all you need to do - pay attention to your thoughts and practice picking up the good ones. There isn't anything wrong with feeling the void and craving connection - that is very normal and human, and it would do you good to acknowledge and accept it, and understand how this feeling has motivated your behaviors, thoughts and emotions in the past. Like I said for me, I got tired of being that version of me, and I want to move on to doing things differently even though I do not know what lies ahead. These days, I still occasionally feel the void and crave connection but I simply acknowledge that is how I feel and look for safe ways to fulfil those needs. The rule is I rather be by myself than engage in ways/activities/people whom I am not quite sure about - this means I spend alot more time by myself than I necessarily like, but it's better than spending time with those I do not feel safe with. I think I earned secure starting 2 years ago, when I made the abovementioned decisions. The shifts came rather suddenly as I was working on my self-worth like you've described - the truth is, the shifts don't happen because of some mechanical action/practices that others have advised. For me, it was listening to alot of youtube videos (thais gibson, abraham hicks, alan robarge), reading a ton of tinybuddha articles, watching alot alot of tv, sleeping alot, and keeping to a simple routine that involves only me (don't go on regular dates, don't plan to meet people much etc). I didn't do anything like get fit or meditate every day or went to the mountains to find myself - these are just some ways that you may find helpful to you, it's really more internal work that you can do everyday in your own way. Think of it like... wanting to be a good person. you don't need to be obsessing over what to do in actions to be a good person, you just need to focus on your thoughts and if you're a good person, you will act like one. To be clear, I'm not saying don't engage in CBT or meditation or exercise or whatever, I'm just saying don't pressure yourself into doing things because that is not the point at all. You are right that can be a lonely journey because only you are on it, no matter how many friends/family/forum peeps support you. This is not meant to depress you, but to let you know that this is normal and expected; alot of us here are going/went through the same thing. It's been 2 years and it's still work in progress for me - it is not the case that the anxiety disappears completely when one earns secure. it's simply learning to live differently, making different choices, and having more capacity to react differently because you've broadened your repertoire of values, beliefs and skills through the work you're doing right now. In fact, you not only become secure but you also understand and remember what it's like to be triggered insecure, so it's not really a shift per se but simply just a greater understanding and lived experiences. I still feel anxious at times (I trigger myself) even though I have a great partner who really steps up. The difference is having much fewer triggers and being able to identify and manage the triggers in a healthier way. I strongly believe that my earned secure journey was improved/facilitated by finding another earned secure partner whom I am able to discuss many things with, but finding a partner was in part due to my own earning secure and in part due to sheer luck. I do not encourage finding a partner as a way to earn secure; it would be much more important to figure out yourself and who you are as a partner, and then find someone who appreciates that.
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Post by annes on Feb 23, 2021 0:14:39 GMT
I think you put this very compellingly. So I think my problem is that I should first BELIEVE that engaging in actions that put self-worth into action will change something. As I've said in another post, I'm reading about meditation and CBT techniques and this is being tremendously helpful. I do know what I like to do, the problem is that I keep feeling the void and craving connection. LEarning about CBT I am slowly trying to train my mind to redirect itself to more constructive thoughts than fantasies and pointless selfblame. I think I need to learn this first in order to make space for actual self-worth actions. I would like to know more about your experience, since when you've been doing this? Do you feel like practicing self-worth you earned secure? How much time did it take (I know it's personal and relative, but just to get a grasp on how other people may handle this, as I feel completely alone in this journey...)? Thank you.
Hi annes, I see in your other post that you said it's about you taking care of yourself, and no one else can do it. I think this is absolutely the key - it was also one of my turning points. Deciding that I will not rely on anyone, not even therapists or whatever, except myself to take care of myself was psychologically crucial. I stopped looking towards outside for help and validation, even when I didn't have any to provide myself. I didn't practice self-worth using therapy or anything, i literally got tired of being blamed by other insecures and for placing them before me. It got me nothing, not even money, so it was all a very pointless exercise that didn't earn me anything except trouble and pain. Self-blame is the same - it didn't help me achieve anything beyond pointless self-indulgence, so what for engage with it? It is not that I do not blame myself, but I simply acknowledge that I do, and leave it as is while focusing on being neutral about all things good/bad. At the same time, I decided that I may not deserve/entitled to good things, but I sure as hell don't deserve bad things. There's a difference between having no self-worth and self-hate, and getting to neutrality is critical - only from a neutral point can you decide where you want to go. Consider it like arriving at an intersection, and having multiple roads. I decided also to live in reality - what do I have and do not have NOW as a fact, rather than ruminate and focus on what could be or what I want i.e., fantasies. I don't think you need to believe in engaging actions and twist yourself into a pretzel into that belief. I didn't do meditation nor CBT (but I do have a psychology background so those practices weren't new to me), I only did lots of guided meditations that helped me sleep i.e., reset. a belief is simply a thought you keep repeating - stop repeating those thoughts and find new ones to think. You do not need to make yourself think thoughts, just pay attention to yourself and find those that occurs naturally to you. It's usually very very small and fleeting e.g., this shower makes me feel refreshed, oo this coffee hits the spot, it's a really quiet lovely afternoon. That is all you need to do - pay attention to your thoughts and practice picking up the good ones. There isn't anything wrong with feeling the void and craving connection - that is very normal and human, and it would do you good to acknowledge and accept it, and understand how this feeling has motivated your behaviors, thoughts and emotions in the past. Like I said for me, I got tired of being that version of me, and I want to move on to doing things differently even though I do not know what lies ahead. These days, I still occasionally feel the void and crave connection but I simply acknowledge that is how I feel and look for safe ways to fulfil those needs. The rule is I rather be by myself than engage in ways/activities/people whom I am not quite sure about - this means I spend alot more time by myself than I necessarily like, but it's better than spending time with those I do not feel safe with. I think I earned secure starting 2 years ago, when I made the abovementioned decisions. The shifts came rather suddenly as I was working on my self-worth like you've described - the truth is, the shifts don't happen because of some mechanical action/practices that others have advised. For me, it was listening to alot of youtube videos (thais gibson, abraham hicks, alan robarge), reading a ton of tinybuddha articles, watching alot alot of tv, sleeping alot, and keeping to a simple routine that involves only me (don't go on regular dates, don't plan to meet people much etc). I didn't do anything like get fit or meditate every day or went to the mountains to find myself - these are just some ways that you may find helpful to you, it's really more internal work that you can do everyday in your own way. Think of it like... wanting to be a good person. you don't need to be obsessing over what to do in actions to be a good person, you just need to focus on your thoughts and if you're a good person, you will act like one. To be clear, I'm not saying don't engage in CBT or meditation or exercise or whatever, I'm just saying don't pressure yourself into doing things because that is not the point at all. You are right that can be a lonely journey because only you are on it, no matter how many friends/family/forum peeps support you. This is not meant to depress you, but to let you know that this is normal and expected; alot of us here are going/went through the same thing. It's been 2 years and it's still work in progress for me - it is not the case that the anxiety disappears completely when one earns secure. it's simply learning to live differently, making different choices, and having more capacity to react differently because you've broadened your repertoire of values, beliefs and skills through the work you're doing right now. In fact, you not only become secure but you also understand and remember what it's like to be triggered insecure, so it's not really a shift per se but simply just a greater understanding and lived experiences. I still feel anxious at times (I trigger myself) even though I have a great partner who really steps up. The difference is having much fewer triggers and being able to identify and manage the triggers in a healthier way. I strongly believe that my earned secure journey was improved/facilitated by finding another earned secure partner whom I am able to discuss many things with, but finding a partner was in part due to my own earning secure and in part due to sheer luck. I do not encourage finding a partner as a way to earn secure; it would be much more important to figure out yourself and who you are as a partner, and then find someone who appreciates that.
Thanks for sharing. When you said you definitely don't deserve bad things, well it's the kind of simple and deep insight that helps. I agree about the partner. In fact I've decided to take a break from dating because it filled too much of my emotional space before I even felt ready to be open again. Unfortunately I struggle a lot, like in principle I totally agree with you and am very aware of all of this, but in practice I find myself spiriling easily into feelings of helplessness. To escape them, I usually jump to fantasy or indulge in self-pity parties... I am working on taking all of this under control through meditation and self-therapy, but it still comes up and it really bothers me. Anyway I think you're right I shouldn't obsess about actions and rather focus on just being a good person, probably the urge to "do something" is still anxiety coming up, it's basically the abandonment wound that makes me feel a urge to overcompensate (the "fight" mode) to fix it.
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Post by lovebunny on Jul 18, 2023 21:40:50 GMT
This is an old thread but nails my frustration today. It's exhausting being in frequent emotional pain, it makes it hard to accomplish anything else. Specifically, I barely get by financially and I need to make a change but can't seem to muster the drive or self-esteem to do so, maybe because every business venture I've ever tried has failed, I have no money to "invest in myself," and no one will help me pay rent if it doesn't work out.
I see here another "earned secure" person saying "something just clicked." But I HAD that click, 25 years ago, like in my mid-20's, after months of grieving someone who didn't love me back. I remember it clearly: the windows open, spring in Manhattan, the song that was playing (Madonna, My Baby's Got a Secret)and I understood that I needed to treat myself better ("happiness lies in your own hands" go the lyrics.) In many ways, I did treat myself better after that. Went back to school, started traveling, stopped doing every drug offered to me and going home with strangers. But apparently, even when I'd thought I'd earned secure, even when I was feeling secure at the start of my r'sips, I wasn't, because I continued to choose partners whose behaviors eventually triggered me into insecure. I certainly take better care of myself now than when I was younger, and talk to myself nicer. But in my 20's, 30's, even 40's I hoped I might somehow become a happy person. Now I just feel like I'll never get there. I cry almost every day. Or else get anxious enough that I shake like a little chihuahua.
I make my bed every morning as a gift to my future self. My body is physically fit and healthy (this is top thing on my grateful list.) Nature, vitamin D, antidepressants, check, tried several. Self awareness, yep. Understanding where the trauma came from, sure. Tried talk therapy more than once (not helpful enough to merit the cost.) Journaling (avidly,) meditating (not my thing.)I accept most invitations. I appreciate my friendships, and I often enough, I think, step out of my comfort zone like travel to a foreign country alone or take the lead role in a play. I speak to my inner child and argue with my inner critic.
I have fun when I'm with my friends or out on my paddleboard, so I do that as often as possible. I can appreciate good food or a great film or whatever. But the good feelings don't stay with me long. Especially once I walk into my empty studio. I still *feel* chronically unloved.
When I think about the people I know who seem truly happy, whose lives I would want, they tend to have come from a supportive family and/or found a good partner early. They have the energy and the drive to start businesses or be successful in careers because they're not spending all this energy seeking love and support because they've always had it. I'm trying to think if there's anyone I know who is a loner like me and killing it at life. I guess that's where I just offer myself some compassion.
Oof, I'm down today. And angry that the people who dump me, the FA's and NPD's and EU's just move onto the next person while I stay devastated for long after normal people have turned the corner. It's not shocking, I guess, that I'd date people that aren't right for me just so I can have some companionship, some touch, someone to witness my daily life and listen to my stories.
Anyway, I hope the OP found her way into "earned secure" and self-love by now. Thanks for listening to me vent. Just going to give up and watch bad reality tv for the rest of the night.
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