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Post by annes on Jun 3, 2021 13:58:17 GMT
I watched a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXCJ51oxX48) that explains very well how the attachment system works in the brain when activated by stressors, I think it's really helpful to understand how attachment insecurity actually plays out in our bodies and to learn about how to deal with it. Basically our limbic system, which is the most primal, "animal" part of the brain, goes at a speed that cannot match the speed of the cortex (the most "recent" and analytical part of the brain), that's why it is really hard for the cortex to keep up with the pace of the limbic system and to prevail in response to stressors. In other words, that's why it is hard for thoughts and cognitive efforts to regulate the nervous system: when you're spiraling into anxiety, I'm sure you know that telling yourself "calm down, it's gonna be fine" etc. doesn't really work out. It's all about regulating the nervous system: When we are anxious/avoidant, it's our most primal self responding, that's why we feel like we have little control on it and cognitive efforts do not seem to work out. This is helpful because it makes you understand that if you're heavily anxious or numbed out you are not crazy: you are simply going through the activation a survival mode of response in your brain. Once you understand that,
- you can be more compassionate with yourself instead of beating yourself up for spiraling into insecure responses;
- you can take action by learning to regulate the nervous system.
Another video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPH5CFSmYEU) talks about how it's all about learning to activate the parasympathetic system. What needs to be done is to learn how to regulate that part of the brain that operates in survival mode faced with a perceived threat (e.g., abandonment, or too much closeness for avoidants). Your limbic brain is processing a perceived danger and activates the fight/flight/freeze response: the nervous system doesn't know that it's safe. So the parasympathetic system has to be trained to communicate a message of safety to the brain. I'm starting to learn more about this and would appreciate any resources on this. Some of them we already know: meditation, exercise, "shaking off" the body via TRE exercise, etc. The last video mentions vagal tone and deep breathing, peripheral vision and softening the eyes, valsalva maneuver, and the yawn.
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Post by alexandra on Jun 3, 2021 15:05:23 GMT
In regards to exercise, I found yoga, and really any sport that specifically forces you to concentrate and focus on balance and being present in the body, to be extremely helpful. This was partially due to learning to "stop" and completely shift into another mindset and then out of it again. Specifically I mean that, I found a yoga class I could actually attend on my work lunch hour, and (in retrospect) needing to quickly leave whatever work stress was happening behind for 45 minutes to fully concentrate on something entirely different in my body so that I didn't strain or hurt myself, then returning to work, started making me far more aware of how shifts in mood and stress and triggers and my body felt. Quickly because otherwise I wouldn't have enough time, but I think that the quick shifts into the class and back out afterwards really helped in itself too. This all eventually started contributing to reconditioning my nervous system in that I could more easily switch over to a more relaxed and focused state under stress once I learned what everything felt like. None of that was deliberate, I was only going to the class for fitness reasons, then noticed it quite some time later. I've read rock climbing can help with depression, I'd imagine for similar reasons, and I could see swimming being good in this way as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 15:58:12 GMT
I don't know what to do when I'm shut down or "deactivated". I know there are some exercises listed in the Healing DA thread, but the very last thing I can seem to do is effort toward connection with myself or anybody else at that time. Also, I am noticing that Instead of "absence makes the heart grow fonder..." for me, absence makes the heart forget and absense makes the heart stand still and look from afar, confused. Does anyone have any insight into how I can maintain connection in absence? I ask because I am away from my partner right now in a designated break we decided to take, in order to give myself time to heal up some physical issues and get into a routine of self care. I am struggling with fatigue and getting into new work/home life schedules. This break is structured and safe for both of us, it is not an ending but a time for self reflection and care. He's working on issues he has, I'm working on issues I have. We connect to share about that a little and then go back to our lanes... but I have a disconcerting lack of emotion that I would like to address. Is it just the fatigue? Is it deactivation? Is a break a bad idea because of this? I feel happy to reconnect with him when we do. I don't think I'll lose feeling completely? Any insight from anyone who can relate, or help me understand this, would be helpful.
Does this take away from the thread? I'm sorry if this isn't the right place. Let me know!
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Post by alexandra on Jun 3, 2021 17:17:22 GMT
It's incredibly difficult to do any work when in a triggered state, whether deactivated or triggered anxious. You're in survival mode. In my opinion, it's really important to take note of what's going on and how you feel and maybe practice deliberately recognizing and pausing loops of distorted thought patterns at those times (even just short little pauses done with awareness will help over time), but I think the bulk of the progress happens when you're not in a triggered state. Which is ironically when people don't want to deal with their issues because they feel fine in those non-triggered periods and there's no sense of urgency. So, you may get better advice from someone struggling with avoidance than from me, but I'd say to be kind to yourself and maybe write down or take serious note of how you're feeling and find words to tell yourself what feeling deactivated feels like so you can reflect more on it later, but not try to force yourself into feeling a different way when you're disconnected. Think more about that after the deactivation passes, and don't make any big decisions during deactivation.
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Post by anne12 on Jun 3, 2021 18:06:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 19:25:25 GMT
alexandra I think that's good advice, to pay attention to the thoughts. I have a lot of deactivating thoughts... and what gets confusing is that I get caught in the trap of believing them or taking them seriously. I really feel like it's possible to drift away, when that's really not my intention at all and this I'm sure can prove to be a very constructive time. I know it's constructive (provided he is really committed and accountable for working on what he says he's working on, and I don't have reason to doubt that). I am doing good things inside and for myself and am using this time very constructively- both for myself and for the relationship (those two things are interdependent). It's just the weirdness of deactivating. I don't feel triggered. I "feel" normal, but without the loving feelings that are there with regular contact. I know this about myself and I initiate contact consistently in this relationship. I consider it necessary to be IN the relationship. This is the first time I have experienced this particular thing- stopping contact as agreed so we can both take space and work individually, to strengthen the relationship - and my attachment has become muted. I feel very relaxed but like I could just fail to reconnect. Perhaps that is just a fear, without substance. Because when we have been in contact for a boundaried reconnection and checking in, I did feel normal and happy to connect, and even affectionate. It was nice. It's just odd that it becomes so muted in absence. Maybe it's there and I'm muting it myself to avoid vulnerability? Maybe the deactivating thoughts kick in habitually on order to not feel out of control or vulnerable. I am simply not sure. I definitely need to be aware of thoughts and question them. Thoughts like "Maybe I am best outside of a relationship. Maybe this isn't meant to be. Maybe we will both drift apart and realize this wasn't what we thought it was." That seems so ridiculous given the good growth we have had. And, I want the relationship- I just have these snags related to avoidance. Thanks for the advice, I'm going to take it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 19:31:32 GMT
When I feel disconnected I tend to do nice things for myself like go for a nice walk, or order some good food, and just get kind of lost in this dreamy content state. I slip into solitude really easily, it's so natural. But I don't want to go into isolation. I don't feel distressed. Maybe it's not avoidant. Maybe I'm just ok. We haven't ended the relationship. In fact this is a demonstration of commitment to it. My body and mind just have some quirks and maybe I don't have to give them so much weight as long as I'm not making decisions Because of them. Does that make sense? It's more of a mind game with myself that doesn't turn into anything. Like I said I still feel happy and want him when I see or talk to him. The deactivation stops it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 4:55:18 GMT
Ok I saw some of the exercises for avoidants. I'm going to try the one where I create my birth (welcome to the world). Also, maybe my walks and comfort food help me actually? annes have you looked at the link anne12 posted? Its full of regulating exercises! Meditation is not good for me because I just slip deeper into being gone. But reaching out to others does seem to help. Good stuff.
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