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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2021 15:01:56 GMT
Also- thank you everybody.
Anyone who has been baffled and hurt by the withdrawal knows that during times of stress, positive or negative, an avoidant is puzzlingly bad company. The internal stress and disconnect is real and it feels bad from the inside just like it does from the outside to be in a committed relationship and not be able to show up well. What I'm saying is for a DA in a committed relationship- so you know that is less common in the first place. I can't speak for a DA who won't even go that far because that internal experience is a lot more hazy and cannot be rectified. There is an aware DA and an unaware DA and one is capable and one is not. Period.
But I digress. My point in this post is to share my gratitude just for you guys being there and unpacking this with me. Last night, had a fabulous date night (on the eve of our flight) instead of accumulating overwhelm and shutting down just when I should be looking forward to our departure. We had amazing , fun intimacy instead of edginess and irritability (stemming from an internal conflict that in the past has been mysterious even to me). This morning we are packing, lighthearted and warm together.
I'm not saying all the problems are past but this development is HUGE. Thanks to all of you for sharing your journey to secure on this forum and supporting mine.
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Post by krolle on Aug 28, 2021 15:40:35 GMT
I can't speak for every one on here but I have experienced enjoyment interacting with you. And many other people on here too.
There is much to be said for community in times of hardship and pain.
And it's also nice to discuss the internal workings of Avoidance and human relating in general.
I can see sometimes there are still triggers and wounds which trouble you. But I think you deserve credit for the progress you are making. And as much as is possible to feel for a random stranger on the internet, I feel proud that your relationship is going so well right now.
Regarding your previous post. A Calatina 30 is a fine boat! Plenty of room for 2 people. The great lakes region is often my cruising ground. So it's plausible we might pass each other at some point without ever knowing. I'll think of that whenever I come across one.
If you want to discuss how to sail I will happily give you some pointers if you PM me. There's also a LOT of terminology to learn. And If you feel the need to impress your partner by showing up one day sounding like you know it all, I would happily share my knowledge lol.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2021 16:00:08 GMT
Thank you so much krolle! I am off to the airport and will respond more this weekend I am sure . I love all the terminology . So unique. For now I will say this... life before awareness is like trying to sail in irons.
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Post by krolle on Aug 28, 2021 20:23:24 GMT
.....Or piss into the wind π
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 14:50:00 GMT
.....Or piss into the wind π Yessss π So, I met his mom, brother, sister in law, and nephews. What kind and warm people. His mom especially is very endearing, and has a great sense of humor. I've spent the most time with her and it's so neat to experience the woman who gave my boyfriend life. He gets his sense of humor from her! There is a lot of laughter. A lot of playfulness. Their dynamic is comfortable. His issues were with his father, that's where his pain came from developmentally. His father passed very early in our dating relationship and I never met him. We have much to do on the boat today. I feel good although I didn't sleep well. Not surprising, if I have a lot going on my mind doesn't settle for sleep and we are off our rhythm. Also, I notice it's very hard for me not to want to know all the things about the boat right now, hard for me to be a passenger in a project actually. I mean, I love that he has undertaken this but I am unaccustomed to being with a man, I guess. I don't know how to say it- I am not used to not being responsible for outcomes. That's what it is. I worry about whether the boat is going to be what we hope mechanically, and of course that is way outside of my realm. So I have to trust and take the back seat and enjoy the ride. He's an ace and completely capable of solving any problems that arise but I'm used to that having to be me. I feel really fortunate and peaceful in spite of the uncertainties of all the new stuff. Today I will clean and organize the cabin of our little yacht. Just going with the flow, which is new but kind of cool.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 16:00:39 GMT
Things have gone great. We worked on the boat all day yesterday, he got the engine going and now she's in the water with the mast up. We are going to tow to her new home marina, and continue preparing her to sail. No sailing this weekend.... but it won't be long! Exciting!
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Post by krolle on Aug 30, 2021 16:03:13 GMT
Excited/ happy for you!!!
Looking forward to hearing more when you get home
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Post by alexandra on Aug 30, 2021 19:57:30 GMT
Awesome! I enjoy sailing as well, though I don't know too much about it and don't have regular access to a boat. But if I had a partner who did, that would be so fun (upkeep and maintenance aside lol)! And a great activity for social distancing times, too.
I'm glad it's going well!!
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 31, 2021 10:16:09 GMT
.....Or piss into the wind π Yessss π So, I met his mom, brother, sister in law, and nephews. What kind and warm people. His mom especially is very endearing, and has a great sense of humor. I've spent the most time with her and it's so neat to experience the woman who gave my boyfriend life. He gets his sense of humor from her! There is a lot of laughter. A lot of playfulness. Their dynamic is comfortable. His issues were with his father, that's where his pain came from developmentally. His father passed very early in our dating relationship and I never met him. We have much to do on the boat today. I feel good although I didn't sleep well. Not surprising, if I have a lot going on my mind doesn't settle for sleep and we are off our rhythm. Also, I notice it's very hard for me not to want to know all the things about the boat right now, hard for me to be a passenger in a project actually. I mean, I love that he has undertaken this but I am unaccustomed to being with a man, I guess. I don't know how to say it- I am not used to not being responsible for outcomes. That's what it is. I worry about whether the boat is going to be what we hope mechanically, and of course that is way outside of my realm. So I have to trust and take the back seat and enjoy the ride. He's an ace and completely capable of solving any problems that arise but I'm used to that having to be me. I feel really fortunate and peaceful in spite of the uncertainties of all the new stuff. Today I will clean and organize the cabin of our little yacht. Just going with the flow, which is new but kind of cool. So glad things went well. Keep us posted on the progress with boating. My family in Scotland has a boat and I have always enjoyed sailingβ¦as a passenger of course. π
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 6:08:51 GMT
Thanks guys!!! What a great weekend. I spent a whole day alone with his mom and loved every minute of it. We are very compatible! We laughed, shared stories and were able to have some great conversations about many different things. I felt very comfortable with her, and really appreciate her personality. So that was really neat. My boyfriend of course was made happy by seeing how we got on. So, we all had a great weekend together. It's so cool to find out how many people have sailing experiences, now that I'm learning about it. I'm in the sailing community now!π. We had the excellent fortune of making a new friend who offered to sail with us and teach us all about it. He's got a lot of experience and can take us in hard conditions too, when we are ready. It's going to be a lot of exciting fun. We will go out again in October to take the boat out on the lake and then prepare her for winter. I look forward to seeing his mom again, too. So, the weekend was a success.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 13:07:04 GMT
Awesome! I enjoy sailing as well, though I don't know too much about it and don't have regular access to a boat. But if I had a partner who did, that would be so fun (upkeep and maintenance aside lol)! And a great activity for social distancing times, too. I'm glad it's going well!! There is something so appealing about taking up sailing the way my ancestors did. It's timeless isn't it? The language alone makes me feel connected to earlier peoples, and learning about how they too met the challenges and joys of the water is something I feel is a privilege to be able to do. I am so grateful for the opportunity. I also look forward to what this represents as a couple. We truly will be navigating our boat together, reliant on each other and our best selves to make safe passage to where we want to go. It's a beautiful metaphor, in real life. This guy we met belongs to a sailing group on facebook, (so it's simple to stay connected and be a part of it while we are away ) and what great fortune it is that he loves to work on his boat, and offered to help with ours. When we are away, anything we need, we can ask him. There is a guy who lives on his boat a couple slips down who was willing to take a job of pumping the bilge manually until my boyfriend returns in two weeks with some new parts. It seems the boating community, like many others, is really supportive and eager to help! We will return the favor however we can.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2021 13:28:57 GMT
krolle- what kind of boat do you have? Do you ever race, or just cruise? Just curious about your marine life too!
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Post by krolle on Sept 6, 2021 9:45:03 GMT
krolle- what kind of boat do you have? Do you ever race, or just cruise? Just curious about your marine life too! Hi Introvert. I do race. Almost every week. Its a blast. Being part of a really great club has been a god send for my mental health. It's just full of wonderful and kind hearted people. I tend to avoid those yacht clubs that are quiet fancy schmancy where people are more concerned about showing off the biggest boat than actually being part of a lovely community. I currently sail a Shark 24. They are pretty fast and reliable in the sort of conditions I usually face. But way too small for oceanic cruising. Most of my longer distance trips have been part of a 3 man crew on a 40' Beneteau. I'm trying to gain enough experience to do a solo intercontinental voyage. But I'm still a relatively young man and too prone to making rash errors for it to be safe alone on the open ocean. But I'm hoping to make it happen within the next 5 years or so. I concur with you there is a feeling of connection to ones ancestors when sailing. It feels timeless. And much of the skills and terminology has been around for hundreds of years. Wait until you get out on big water and just have a moment where time seems to stop and you are completely present, the hairs on your neck stand up. As quiet a non religious man it's the closest I have experienced to spirituality.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2021 11:41:26 GMT
krolle- what kind of boat do you have? Do you ever race, or just cruise? Just curious about your marine life too! Hi Introvert. I do race. Almost every week. Its a blast. Being part of a really great club has been a god send for my mental health. It's just full of wonderful and kind hearted people. I tend to avoid those yacht clubs that are quiet fancy schmancy where people are more concerned about showing off the biggest boat than actually being part of a lovely community. I currently sail a Shark 24. They are pretty fast and reliable in the sort of conditions I usually face. But way too small for oceanic cruising. Most of my longer distance trips have been part of a 3 man crew on a 40' Beneteau. I'm trying to gain enough experience to do a solo intercontinental voyage. But I'm still a relatively young man and too prone to making rash errors for it to be safe alone on the open ocean. But I'm hoping to make it happen within the next 5 years or so. I concur with you there is a feeling of connection to ones ancestors when sailing. It feels timeless. And much of the skills and terminology has been around for hundreds of years. Wait until you get out on big water and just have a moment where time seems to stop and you are completely present, the hairs on your neck stand up. As quiet a non religious man it's the closest I have experienced to spirituality. I believe you that your racing club is full of kind hearted people. We ran into a snag looking for parts, and we were in a real pinch, crushed for time to get to port and fly back home! While he was working on it I found the social media group and asked to join... and posted a query. We got a tremendous response with help and advise, and one man even met us at port to work with my boyfriend on the boat. So much more efficient with two engine guys, instead of an engine guy and me lol. It was beautiful to watch the two of them working together as if they had been friends for years. My boyfriend is going out every two weeks until we pull her out of the water to check the sails and rigging, do all the small upgrades and repairs, and hopefully take her out. Our new friend is going to meet him and partner in the work, just because he loves sailing and wants to help a fellow sailor. I don't think we will race as we will be leaving home to visit and sail. But we may eventually crew for our new friend who also enjoys racing a 25. It seems like a blast!!! We are not interested in the fancy shmancy aspect either, and are very down to earth and casual people. This man whom we met is as well- so we do feel we have found a fit there. Ive ordered some ASA books to read, and I'm looking forward to curling up over winter with them! I am excited for this new adventure. Except for being asked if I want to climb the mast haha. We just ordered a bosun's chair and I'm going to see what it's like next time I go out. Yikes! π¬π My boyfriend mentioned the far-off possibility of crossing an ocean someday and that's way more than I feel an inclination to do, ever haha. I know that people cruise the coast in boats the size of ours, and eventually we will head down the coast but perhaps in a little bigger boat. For now, sailing in the Great Lakes area is absolutely enough!! We are in Lake St. Claire, as his mother lives nearby and it makes visits to her/sailing a fun, easy combo. I never thought I would become a sailor, but here I am, about to become a sailor. Life is wonderful and full of surprises. I've also received some hard news just recently and it's sometimes hard to allow myself to have fun or be adventurous when dealing with a serious problem, or feeling heavy emotions. My goal is to keep balance and continue to live while under stress, if you know what I mean. I tend to dial everything back and make my focus narrow, pull close to home and hunker down so to speak when under stress. But I am going to try a new way of allowing pain and pleasure to co-exist, accepting both as a part of my life that don't cancel each other out. Very happy that you sail, and that you have a group to socialize with and have camaraderie. How awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2021 14:27:13 GMT
Viking long boats, racing in Norway.
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