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Post by seekingknowledge on Oct 7, 2021 21:31:36 GMT
Hello seekingknowledge , I am very sorry for you....we have all been there and it's terrible to read it. We are here to help give you some closure and perspective. I experienced it as both the FA dumper and the victim of a FA so....I had to learn it the hard way. By the way, you asked "Are there any FAs here that can describe to me what deactivating feels like? What the fear feels like?". I believe I am now less FA than before but when I was at my lowest point, and in a long-term relationship, I would always find excuses to leave him. And it would be various faults, in him and/or in myself. When I felt emotionally close to him, then everything after that experience would create in me the unconscious thought "you better leave him before he does that". It's not even that you think it...I just told myself that one of us would hurt the other anyway or pick up excuses ("I am going to move soon", "we only superficially know each other", "we are together just because we are alone", blah blah blah self-sabotaging). Most notably I ALWAYS felt that the relationship was too much, it felt like a job to me. I always thought that I was better by myself, so I didn't have to deal with the emotions of another (which is not true). I don't really know how to explain it, it's very unconscious and impulsive Thanks midnight77. I think closure and perspective are exactly what I'm looking for. The thing is, I feel like I have been able to give myself closure in the past because most of the time I can find lessons that I learned through tough situations. However, this time, I cannot find the lesson. It's just depressing. No one wins in the end. I'm left devastated wondering if what we had was even real. I truly felt like I had finally found my "person." And she's left with another dead-end romance to add to her list. The sudden change and switch is just the hardest part to digest. You speak about "not having to deal with the emotions of another." When our relationship was good, before the switch, we would talk about our past struggles with emotions in detail and often. In my past, I had always felt the emotions, but I was taught growing up that you do not express your emotions or discuss them. I was always rewarded and praised for being the quiet kid that my parents "didn't have to deal with." So I had to teach myself an entire new language: how to communicate emotions. For her, the emotions she had to deal with growing up were so intense that she learned how to dissociate - to become completely numb and not feel any of her feelings. When she first told me she was able to do that, I said - wow, I want that. She said no you don't, because if you dissociate to not feel the negative emotions, that means you won't be able to feel the positive emotions either. It's just so disheartening that we were always able to have these in depth conversations about our issues, until the switch happened. Then she was so cold and acted as if she had never told me any of these things about herself.
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Post by midnight77 on Oct 7, 2021 22:07:47 GMT
My dear seekingknowledge, I can understand what you are going through. I believe that at the beginning it's almost impossible to make sense. You ask yourself why, because you did everything right. Nothing anticipated what was coming. After some time you just start to see the whole picture. If she was aware of that issue but she still suffered from it and deactivated with you... It means she was not completely aware or recovered. I know this hurts now but it is not like she was the girl she showed you at the beginning and then somebody else made her change her mind about you. It was all her...and if she knows about her issues and she still did not want to embark on this love with you, this means you were not on the same page.. I know that now you just don't want lessons to learn but you can get something from it! Learning about attachment issues is one of them. Even from the worst things one turns out different, changed and wiser! But do not lose hope Let me add just one thing: I had a similar situation. My ex was aware of his issues but he still dumped me and disappeared. I came up with two ideas about this: 1)he was not fully aware and would therefore continue with the same pattern or 2) he was aware and distanced himself because he knew he still needed to heal some parts of himself. In both cases it was not about me, I could not do anything to help him. I could just do one thing: focus on myself, learn from it, improve myself and become resilient. Then it just gets better i promise
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Post by alexandra on Oct 7, 2021 23:44:12 GMT
seekingknowledge, I actually see plenty here that you can learn if that's what you're looking for. It sounds like you have done a lot of great work on yourself so far, addressing the DA side of your avoidant tendencies and perhaps working through some anxious ones by connecting better to yourself and loving yourself. I have no doubt that you are more secure now than when you started exploring all this. However, between the speed at which this went and you finding the idea of disassociating from any negative emotions and thinking that being numb could be better than having the ability to fully process emotions indicate that there's insecurity on your side left to tackle. (A secure person does not idealize numbness, but someone in an anxious attachment space often does because they don't know how to fully regulate their feelings and get overwhelmed feeling too much.) It sounds like this is a great opportunity to learn more about FA and about the anxious side of insecure attachment. You're already seeing how the dynamics work when one person is swinging considerably more avoidant than the other (ie, they don't work) and how another avoidant person can make someone working towards security or who is usually secure swing anxious. And there are still reasons for that, relating to fear of abandonment and trust in self on the side of the person swinging anxious, that these relationships reveal to you. Sometimes it requires some more time and perspective to get to the next learning step, and the breakup is still new. I don't think the feeling that this was all for nothing will linger forever, but keep on mourning the loss as you need and the next lesson will become clearer when you're up to it. Be kind to yourself for now, these roller coaster relationships and blind siding breakups are some of the most painful and difficult to sort out.
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Post by krolle on Oct 10, 2021 2:49:14 GMT
seekingknowledgeI have enjoyed reading your posts. Not the pain your going through of course! But you seem insightful and able to work through things logically. And you express your internal world in a way that resonates with me. A lot of what has been said in this thread does too. I am an 'aware' Fa still very aware of the futility of being an aware FA and still stuck in the shitstorm of insecure relationships. I might be a useful contributor to this one. Touche sir.
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