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Post by summer83 on Sept 1, 2022 10:43:07 GMT
Please someone, help me understand what is going on with my FA ex.
It really feels like things went downhill in our relationship when I decided to get a puppy.
We started seeing each other again about 5 months ago, on his terms:
We had to be in casual relationship, and we were to be exclusive. He would not tell me he loved me anymore, and he still had a wall up.
He lives on his own, and I live in my own. We would see each other 2 times a week and contact was minimum in between. Sometimes we’d go days without texting/talking. For me, I was trying to not be too clingy/needy, so I mirrored him.
In June I found a really sweet puppy for sale online near my suburb. I’ve wanted a puppy for a while, because my work schedule is flexible and I have lots of spare time. A little companion sounded like a great idea. Why not?
Within 2 days (our 2 days of not speaking) I got this puppy. One the 3rd day I broke my silence and sent my ex pictures of her.
He replied “You got a puppy?!”
After a few more pictures and answering his questions about what I was going to name her, he started to hold back on communicating…or rather, he started withdrawing.
It started with him taking 6 hours to respond (normally he responded to me within 1-2 hours). After a few days of this, I started to feel weird snd I wrote to him saying I noticed a change in his behaviour and asked if he was mad at me.
His response was that he wasn’t ready to talk about it right now, and he thinks he just needs some time to himself.
That was over 2 months ago,
I wrote to him every 2 weeks to check in and ask what was going on, and if he planned on seeing me again. I needed to know, because I didn’t want to wait around like I’ve always done when he shuts down (this is the 3rd time/cycle he’s done this for a considerable amount of time).
His response was: “I need to be left alone right now!”
He stonewalled me those 2 months by refusing to answer my question.
I started to feel upset, so I deactivated my Instagram account for 2 weeks. I mainly did this to stop myself from reaching out.
When I reactivated my account, he was gone. He actually blocked my account while I was in ‘deactivated’ mode!
I wrote to him with another profile I have, explaining to him that I just deactivated my account because I was upset, and noticed he blocked my main account.
With 40 mins the message was read, and then he blocked that account!
I’m utterly confused. I don’t understand how I triggered him. I can’t understand why me getting a puppy would be an issue, especially since he made it clear he didn’t want us officially back together, and we’ve just been casually seeing each other the last 5 months.
Any insight into what my be going on in his mind?
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Post by mrob on Sept 1, 2022 13:57:56 GMT
There has to be more to this. What were the circumstances before?
One thing is for sure is that there’s no such thing as closure, which seems to be what you were looking for. You may want to explore why you chased it with such vigour.
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Post by summer83 on Sept 1, 2022 21:42:09 GMT
Him mrob,
I chased with vigour for years because I didn’t understand what was going on (I didn’t understand I was AP, or what that meant until recently)
Circumstances before - we were looking at places together because he said he wanted us to live together. It could of been a test. We looked at a few places and then within a month he put a wall up and ignored me for 12 months.
I got in contact with him again after that (with a lot of work), and he finally let me back in his life, but there were rules and conditions, such as casual only, and we couldn’t be gf/bf again. It hurt, but I was hoping he’d come around and let his wall down. Instead, he built it back up after I got the dog.
Before ALL that, (back in 2018) we were together about a year. He loved me passionately for about 6 months, and then it was a roller coaster relationship which ended up with me being blocked for 8 months.
Again, im AP, trying to be more secure, which is why I’m not stressing too much about his disappearing act. I‘be also stopped contact and do not plan on contacting him again because this behaviour is very draining for me. I was just hoping for some insight into why me getting a puppy is so terrible in the mind of my FA ex?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2022 22:46:03 GMT
It could be coincidence... your puppy timing lining up with something totally unrelated going on in his life. Maybe he met someone, maybe he has something else going on that demands his attention or has him stressed. It is useless to try to read his mind and not helpful to assume it is actually about the puppy. It really could have nothing to do with anything that you are aware of. He has gone radio silent before, you mentioned, no puppy involved.
You will drive yourself crazy going down the rabbit hole, and no one can read the tea leaves here or read his mind. Best to just focus on your own anxious rumination and pattern and leave his to him, it's been a long road of insecure dynamics for you and there is no future in figuring him out. Best of luck!
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Post by summer83 on Sept 2, 2022 0:11:34 GMT
Thanks everyone for your input.
I know it’s fruitless to wonder why he pulled away, but I’m in shock, and I’m trying to process everything. Writing out what happened and speaking to others is helpful for me.
It would have been nice if he could have been open and honest with me. I gave him multiple chances to tell me he doesn’t want to see me anymore, but he chose to ignore the question and keep me guessing….until he eventually blocked me 2 months later.
I’m obviously feeling frustrated and hurt.
I was wondering if any other FAs had a similar reaction to something like this? I mean, is it about control? I didn’t speak to him first about getting a dog, I just went ahead and made a decision without his input. I feel like he’s embarrassed or ashamed to admit this bothered him, because it may contradict everything he’s been busy reinforcing the last 5 months.
He’s definitely mad at me about something, he just refused to talk about it. Up until I got the puppy, things were stable, and he was not volatile towards me.
I wanted him in my life, and I was hoping he and I could have a better, healthier relationship this time around. Unfortunately, it feels like there’s nothing I can do anymore, and this is his issue, not mine.
I have made peace with the fact that he’s cut me out of his life, but I just wish he could of explained things to me first.
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Post by summer83 on Sept 2, 2022 0:11:46 GMT
Thanks everyone for your input.
I know it’s fruitless to wonder why he pulled away, but I’m in shock, and I’m trying to process everything. Writing out what happened and speaking to others is helpful for me.
It would have been nice if he could have been open and honest with me. I gave him multiple chances to tell me he doesn’t want to see me anymore, but he chose to ignore the question and keep me guessing….until he eventually blocked me 2 months later.
I’m obviously feeling frustrated and hurt.
I was wondering if any other FAs had a similar reaction to something like this? I mean, is it about control? I didn’t speak to him first about getting a dog, I just went ahead and made a decision without his input. I feel like he’s embarrassed or ashamed to admit this bothered him, because it may contradict everything he’s been busy reinforcing the last 5 months.
He’s definitely mad at me about something, he just refused to talk about it. Up until I got the puppy, things were stable, and he was not volatile towards me.
I wanted him in my life, and I was hoping he and I could have a better, healthier relationship this time around. Unfortunately, it feels like there’s nothing I can do anymore, and this is his issue, not mine.
I have made peace with the fact that he’s cut me out of his life, but I just wish he could of explained things to me first.
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Post by alexandra on Sept 2, 2022 0:37:54 GMT
Don't assume he was withholding from you consciously and for its own sake. A lot of times, people with insecure attachment styles are disconnected from themselves and can't figure out what's actually wrong or explain it if they tried. The control factor is not to control the other person, it is to give themselves the illusion that they are in control of themselves and their environments. Anxious leaning folks will try ad nauseam to explain every thought from every angle in an attempt to find the "magic formula" that fulfills their elusive needs and connects them to another person, while someone avoidant will shut down because their nervous system shuts down in the face of discomfort and they numb out and withdraw, sometimes without realizing it. Yes, all those behaviors are the problem of the person displaying them, others can't do anything about it. My FA ex who would do similar stuff eventually told me that he couldn't bear to tell me anything that he knew would be hurtful to me, he couldn't face it or deal with any expected conflict, it made him feel too much shame or to just remove himself from the situation without thinking about it until he felt better and several weeks had passed without him noticing. Was that fair to me. NO. So what was the way to handle it? Stop leaving the ball in his court and waiting for his "decision," and decide on what I wanted for myself. If I wanted respect and a healthy relationship, it wasn't going to be with someone who treated me with disregard when we had a conflict. So it was up to me to leave and not abandon myself.
You can have compassion for someone's issues and struggles while not using that information to make excuses or let them treat you like a doormat.
You may perceive that things went downhill after 5 months, but they were always downhill because you were accepting crumbs from him and hoping if you fought hard enough for him that he'd come around. APs see love as longing and earned through chasing, trying harder and harder because you feel that being you just as you are isn't good enough. That's false, but it is where the answers to this actually lie. Getting closure and feeling resolution comes from building your own self-esteem no matter what anyone else thinks of you. Your value and worth has nothing to do with him, he does not get to define that for you.
I hope you're enjoying being a dog owner! Think about how someone who can't even really be happy for you doing something for yourself that's important to you shouldn't get to call the shots in your life. His behavior isn't actually about the dog, and fixating on that just because it correlated with the length of time this go around the go away come back merry go round lasted won't give you any answers.
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Post by cherrycola on Sept 4, 2022 2:27:31 GMT
Although it isn't about the dog per say. I wanted to give some context as to how the mind of an FA can work. It's about the story he may have told himself behind the dog. So you get a dog and he assigns a meaning to it, IE, he made an assumption. Instead of asking you, or fact checking it against what he knows about you and your past he believes in that story fully. It then spooks him. The problem with dating someone like this, is no mater how hard you try, you are always competing against these stories in their head. I was dating someone for 4 months and was thinking about getting a pet rat or a mice, pretty low commitment animals right?! Well the FA I was dating got UPSET because to him, that meant I never wanted to move in with him. The fact that I didn't even bother to ask how he felt about it, meant I didn't care. To him, this should have been a mutual decision. To me (who leans DA), it was a really low commitment animal that doesn't even live that long so how he felt didn't even cross my mind, I was just living my life.
Had another situation recently with a different FA, I had mentioned in passing on Saturday that I had Monday booked off but I wasn't sure I was going to take it. He mentioned having a bunch of stuff he needed to do on Monday anyways. We spent all Saturday and Sunday morning together and then I left to do my own thing. At some point I decided that nah, I wasn't going to take Monday off, but since I was doing my own thing and he said he was busy anyways, I didn't even think to mention it. We randomly ended up spending the night together Sunday and when I got up Monday to go to work he was upset that I was going to work and took this as abandonment. It didn't matter that we had spent almost the entire weekend together. To him I didn't really want to spend time with him, etc etc. My explaining that I had cancelled my day off and forgot to tell him wasn't accepted.
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Post by sunrisequest on Sept 4, 2022 5:50:09 GMT
Although it isn't about the dog per say. I wanted to give some context as to how the mind of an FA can work. It's about the story he may have told himself behind the dog. So you get a dog and he assigns a meaning to it, IE, he made an assumption. Instead of asking you, or fact checking it against what he knows about you and your past he believes in that story fully. It then spooks him. The problem with dating someone like this, is no mater how hard you try, you are always competing against these stories in their head. I was dating someone for 4 months and was thinking about getting a pet rat or a mice, pretty low commitment animals right?! Well the FA I was dating got UPSET because to him, that meant I never wanted to move in with him. The fact that I didn't even bother to ask how he felt about it, meant I didn't care. To him, this should have been a mutual decision. To me (who leans DA), it was a really low commitment animal that doesn't even live that long so how he felt didn't even cross my mind, I was just living my life. Had another situation recently with a different FA, I had mentioned in passing on Saturday that I had Monday booked off but I wasn't sure I was going to take it. He mentioned having a bunch of stuff he needed to do on Monday anyways. We spent all Saturday and Sunday morning together and then I left to do my own thing. At some point I decided that nah, I wasn't going to take Monday off, but since I was doing my own thing and he said he was busy anyways, I didn't even think to mention it. We randomly ended up spending the night together Sunday and when I got up Monday to go to work he was upset that I was going to work and took this as abandonment. It didn't matter that we had spent almost the entire weekend together. To him I didn't really want to spend time with him, etc etc. My explaining that I had cancelled my day off and forgot to tell him wasn't accepted. This is a pretty good round-up imo... there are things that can really trigger an abandonment wound that might not make logical sense to the other person. You've given us context behind you getting a puppy without mentioning to him first that makes total sense to me. If he's running a story that means you're rejecting him by getting a puppy, that would explain his behaviour. He may also have a bit of an inkling that it's doesn't actually make sense that he feels that way, which could be why he doesn't want to talk about it. He might not know why he feels that way. And that's part of the push/pull FA patterning... don't come too close, but don't leave me. BUT having said that, there's no way of knowing what's going on in his head with any surety, and the fact he hasn't got the skills to talk to you when something is bothering him, and just shuts you out, this is just an impossible dynamic to work with, and you'll twist yourself in knots trying to understand how to avoid it from happening. I'm sure it hurts a lot that he pulls away from you in this brutal way, but it seems that's the way it is with him, and only you get to decide whether you accept it or want that in your life. Wishing you lots of luck!
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Post by mrob on Sept 4, 2022 22:43:49 GMT
My take, for what it’s worth.
Fiercely protecting the phone can be a sign there’s something else going on. The FA mind will do weird things to maintain distance, so there may be whole aspects you know nothing about. He was distancing anyway.
I’ve been on both ends, and regardless of the reasons, once there is a deactivation pattern in place, the deactivations will only get closer together. They never resolve themselves. The choice is to participate or not. I found it too painful in your position and terribly unfair to you from his position.
What I would also do for both of you is to block him. He will cycle and I’m sure you’ll hear from him again at some point otherwise.
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