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Post by chrism on Jan 4, 2023 17:16:36 GMT
So I had been seeing this girl for about a year, I thought everything was going well, we had just came back from a lovely week in Las Vegas and she decided she needed to spend some time working on herself.
This totally blindsided me and after doing some reading about relationship attachment theories I'm convinced that she is a fearful avoidant and is just completely closing down on me.
I just don't know how to go on from here, as an anxious attachment person myself this has totally torn me up inside. I miss her so much and really want to be back in a relationship but I don't want to drive her away even more.
We are still talking but she seems distant, she let me get her lunch for her birthday where she admitted to me that because of her upbringing she finds it difficult to maintain relationships because people always go away and hurt her in the end and she had a lot going on In her personal life around this time.
I guess my question is how do I deal with this? I still love the girl to pieces and want to be there for her but the kind of limbo is destroying me inside.
Sorry for the rant
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Post by tnr9 on Jan 4, 2023 19:16:44 GMT
So I had been seeing this girl for about a year, I thought everything was going well, we had just came back from a lovely week in Las Vegas and she decided she needed to spend some time working on herself. This totally blindsided me and after doing some reading about relationship attachment theories I'm convinced that she is a fearful avoidant and is just completely closing down on me. I just don't know how to go on from here, as an anxious attachment person myself this has totally torn me up inside. I miss her so much and really want to be back in a relationship but I don't want to drive her away even more. We are still talking but she seems distant, she let me get her lunch for her birthday where she admitted to me that because of her upbringing she finds it difficult to maintain relationships because people always go away and hurt her in the end and she had a lot going on In her personal life around this time. I guess my question is how do I deal with this? I still love the girl to pieces and want to be there for her but the kind of limbo is destroying me inside. Sorry for the rant Are you in any kind of therapy yourself? If not, now would be a great time to work on your own insecure attachment. Take her at her word…she wants to work on herself (which is a good thing) but that requires for her to focus on herself. It likely feels like she is distant because her energy is going back towards herself and that can feel very scary for someone with anxious attachment. The good news is that there are many people here who have worked on their attachment insecurities and are doing much better because of that self work. Good luck.
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Post by alexandra on Jan 4, 2023 20:14:55 GMT
The most important things you can do right now are, first what tnr9 suggests, focus on yourself and getting help for your own insecure attachment. The second thing is, stay really consistent. Don't start crowding her for space and reaching out more than usual in an attempt for more bids for connection and constant validation. Don't get upset if she's distant and take it out on her when she comes back. Depersonalize her behavior, do your thing, be happy to connect with her when she's open to it and happy to use your space to work through your own stuff when she's not. This isn't easy for an anxious attacher to do, which is why first and foremost addressing your own needs and talking to someone about your attachment challenges is the starting place. Anxious attachers have a difficult time self-soothing and emotionally regulating themselves, looking to others to do it for them and validate them. This outsourcing and need for validation when you feel changes in the relationship is what will create the biggest wedge between you and an FA significant other struggling with her own attachment issues.
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Post by chrism on Jan 6, 2023 12:54:06 GMT
So I had been seeing this girl for about a year, I thought everything was going well, we had just came back from a lovely week in Las Vegas and she decided she needed to spend some time working on herself. This totally blindsided me and after doing some reading about relationship attachment theories I'm convinced that she is a fearful avoidant and is just completely closing down on me. I just don't know how to go on from here, as an anxious attachment person myself this has totally torn me up inside. I miss her so much and really want to be back in a relationship but I don't want to drive her away even more. We are still talking but she seems distant, she let me get her lunch for her birthday where she admitted to me that because of her upbringing she finds it difficult to maintain relationships because people always go away and hurt her in the end and she had a lot going on In her personal life around this time. I guess my question is how do I deal with this? I still love the girl to pieces and want to be there for her but the kind of limbo is destroying me inside. Sorry for the rant Are you in any kind of therapy yourself? If not, now would be a great time to work on your own insecure attachment. Take her at her word…she wants to work on herself (which is a good thing) but that requires for her to focus on herself. It likely feels like she is distant because her energy is going back towards herself and that can feel very scary for someone with anxious attachment. The good news is that there are many people here who have worked on their attachment insecurities and are doing much better because of that self work. Good luck. I am on a waiting list so it's in the works. I just hate feeling thus way, I do some major catastrophising in my head, like she's dating her friend who she spent new years eve with and we make plans to meet but she never does (although we did go for lunch for her birthday) I just don't know how to cope with it, I want her back but I also don't want to push her further away. It's tearing me apart lisa
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Post by chrism on Jan 6, 2023 12:59:32 GMT
The most important things you can do right now are, first what tnr9 suggests, focus on yourself and getting help for your own insecure attachment. The second thing is, stay really consistent. Don't start crowding her for space and reaching out more than usual in an attempt for more bids for connection and constant validation. Don't get upset if she's distant and take it out on her when she comes back. Depersonalize her behavior, do your thing, be happy to connect with her when she's open to it and happy to use your space to work through your own stuff when she's not. This isn't easy for an anxious attacher to do, which is why first and foremost addressing your own needs and talking to someone about your attachment challenges is the starting place. Anxious attachers have a difficult time self-soothing and emotionally regulating themselves, looking to others to do it for them and validate them. This outsourcing and need for validation when you feel changes in the relationship is what will create the biggest wedge between you and an FA significant other struggling with her own attachment issues. This is so true, when we split up she said she still wants me in her life so I've been talking to her nearly every day, is this a bad idea? I am on the waiting list for therapy so hopefully that will be starting up soon. I've also done a lot of soul searching and I came to the conclusion my stupid anxious self probably was exactly the opposite of what a fearful avoidant needs. I just want to reconcile things but I really don't know how to approach it
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Post by chrism on Jan 6, 2023 13:41:45 GMT
I guess my questions are:
Is this relationship a lost cause?
There's so many signs that she wants a relationship and when we met for her birthday she told me she has trouble maintaining relationships because growing up she moved around a lot and everyone left her life eventually, she got cheated on by her ex husband, her dad died of a terminal disease so I totally get why she doesn't want to be in a relationship.
If it's not what should I do? I really don't know how to approach the situation
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Post by tnr9 on Jan 6, 2023 16:05:08 GMT
I guess my questions are: Is this relationship a lost cause? There's so many signs that she wants a relationship and when we met for her birthday she told me she has trouble maintaining relationships because growing up she moved around a lot and everyone left her life eventually, she got cheated on by her ex husband, her dad died of a terminal disease so I totally get why she doesn't want to be in a relationship. If it's not what should I do? I really don't know how to approach the situation Hi there….I would take contact as she wants to keep you in her life…but at this point, it is just a “friend” thing. If you are ok with just being friends, then you can continue contact. However, if being only friends is not ok….then I would suggest you let her know that you are taking time to take care of yourself and need to stop communication with her for now. What is going to be absolutely critical right now is that you turn your focus from anything to do with her…back to you. When you start to have those thoughts about her…..stop….name 10 items around you….ground yourself back into the present. If you do this enough, hopefully it will help your brain to stop dwelling on something that isn’t real…it is just a worst case fantasy. The other thing you can do while you wait on therapy is…whenever you feel anxious….lie on the floor with your legs up on a chair….breath slowly counting in for 5 and out for 7…..this should help calm your nervous system. Another thing to do is journal….but here is what I suggest you do for journaling……write 3 unique things every day you are grateful for and write down 1 good thing that happened to you that day. This will give your brain a chance to focus on the good stuff around you. You are welcome to read back over my story…..because I had a breakup that led me here.
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Post by alexandra on Jan 6, 2023 19:27:26 GMT
Did you actually break up? Or she wants more space but you didn't break up? Because my advice was if she said she wanted space but you're still together.
If she broke up with you, then you should not be talking every day. I have an FA ex who did this and tried to insta-friend me immediately even though I didn't want that. It is very, very common for FA to deactivate and withdraw from the romantic commitment but still stay intimate -- either emotionally OR physically, but you're downgraded and not official. That dynamic with an FA has been written about over and over again by so many people here. Effectively, they can't handle and don't want a full romantic relationship because it's too overwhelming, so they downgrade you to what they're comfortable with and doesn't trigger them. They're trying to find a way to meet their own needs, which are don't be too close and want full commitment because I need to believe I have one foot free out the door away all time BUT don't go to far either! And the approach really dismisses the needs of the partner, because they don't want to cause more pain but it's all they can handle so they hope it's enough for you, too. So talking every day is a bad idea for YOU, which is what's important right now.
Once the relationship gets to that point, it is a lost cause for the time being. Because you don't want the same thing and your needs together are completely different and incompatible, and that is okay! Your needs are very important, but AP dismisses their own needs to prioritize the other person, which is a codependency problem and recipe for failure. Her issues started long before she met you. You did not cause them and you can't fix them for her. Which means, this recipe for failure is due to incompatibility of needs unless she decides she wants to get some serious help to address her trauma and changes. That is not something you can expect, not a decision you can make for her, it's something that may or may not happen and it's something that even if it does happen it can take a couple years to process for her. And, the biggest kicker, if she really does change because she heals her trauma, you two may still not be a good fit together or attracted to each other anymore (a lot of insecure dynamics depend on trauma and trauma bonding to stay attached and attracted).
So the answer then is, prioritize yourself because the only one you can control is you. Take the space to work on your own attachment issues for your own sake, nothing to do with her. It may also take you a couple years of dedicated work to become more secure, because this stuff formed over years and can't be processed overnight. However, it may sounds daunting when I put it in those terms I know, but confronting your own issues, while painful, is COMPLETELY worth it. Situations like this are less devastating, less confusing, and actually become less frequent. Connections get less co-dependent and healthier, boundaries strengthen, communication improves, foundations of trust improve, and you don't lose yourself whenever an interpersonal connection goes wrong. It's a different mindset for sure, but it is how you heal and get off the merry go round of chaotic relationships that never seem to last.
Johnny probably has an anxious attachment, btw, and other mental issues, too. He should have just kicked Lisa out if he was emotionally healthy lol.
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Post by chrism on Jan 7, 2023 11:36:58 GMT
Did you actually break up? Or she wants more space but you didn't break up? Because my advice was if she said she wanted space but you're still together. If she broke up with you, then you should not be talking every day. I have an FA ex who did this and tried to insta-friend me immediately even though I didn't want that. It is very, very common for FA to deactivate and withdraw from the romantic commitment but still stay intimate -- either emotionally OR physically, but you're downgraded and not official. That dynamic with an FA has been written about over and over again by so many people here. Effectively, they can't handle and don't want a full romantic relationship because it's too overwhelming, so they downgrade you to what they're comfortable with and doesn't trigger them. They're trying to find a way to meet their own needs, which are don't be too close and want full commitment because I need to believe I have one foot free out the door away all time BUT don't go to far either! And the approach really dismisses the needs of the partner, because they don't want to cause more pain but it's all they can handle so they hope it's enough for you, too. So talking every day is a bad idea for YOU, which is what's important right now. Once the relationship gets to that point, it is a lost cause for the time being. Because you don't want the same thing and your needs together are completely different and incompatible, and that is okay! Your needs are very important, but AP dismisses their own needs to prioritize the other person, which is a codependency problem and recipe for failure. Her issues started long before she met you. You did not cause them and you can't fix them for her. Which means, this recipe for failure is due to incompatibility of needs unless she decides she wants to get some serious help to address her trauma and changes. That is not something you can expect, not a decision you can make for her, it's something that may or may not happen and it's something that even if it does happen it can take a couple years to process for her. And, the biggest kicker, if she really does change because she heals her trauma, you two may still not be a good fit together or attracted to each other anymore (a lot of insecure dynamics depend on trauma and trauma bonding to stay attached and attracted). So the answer then is, prioritize yourself because the only one you can control is you. Take the space to work on your own attachment issues for your own sake, nothing to do with her. It may also take you a couple years of dedicated work to become more secure, because this stuff formed over years and can't be processed overnight. However, it may sounds daunting when I put it in those terms I know, but confronting your own issues, while painful, is COMPLETELY worth it. Situations like this are less devastating, less confusing, and actually become less frequent. Connections get less co-dependent and healthier, boundaries strengthen, communication improves, foundations of trust improve, and you don't lose yourself whenever an interpersonal connection goes wrong. It's a different mindset for sure, but it is how you heal and get off the merry go round of chaotic relationships that never seem to last. Johnny probably has an anxious attachment, btw, and other mental issues, too. He should have just kicked Lisa out if he was emotionally healthy lol. "I am so sorry but right now I just need to work on me with no distractions. You're amazing but right now I need to be alone" I just read back over the messages and she never actually said about breaking up 🤷 which is a good thing right??
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Post by alexandra on Jan 7, 2023 19:56:24 GMT
No, not necessarily. Direct communication is not the strong suit of the FA. They can believe they told you you're broken up without ever actually saying it but that you have still understood, since they want to avoid the confrontation. You should clarify what space means, even though you may not like the answer. But if it truly isn't a breakup, at least you'll be clearer on her expectations and can go from there. Space generally does not mean continuing to talk every day. You also don't want to enter situationship territory, that's extra hard on AP but tends to happen when both sides have bad boundaries or are too scared of the other person to clarify feelings.
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Post by mrob on Jan 8, 2023 0:34:38 GMT
["I am so sorry but right now I just need to work on me with no distractions. You're amazing but right now I need to be alone"] Surely, along with all the other info, that’s a breakup. Those are tough words and I can’t see how they could be interpreted another way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2023 2:48:45 GMT
I'll make a bold statement:
Never in the history of people who want a relationship did a person who wants a relationship say:
"You're amazing but....." "Right now I need to be alone."
I am sorry to say, if you don't get the hint she's dropping you are desperately clinging to an unavailable person. I know it is very painful but don't kid yourself here. She took the "easy" way out by leaving it unclear, easy for her that is. If someone wants a future with you they will make sure you understand that and say it loud and clear. End of story. If you entertain illusions you can delay and deny the truth but you can't change it,this person is not emotionally available.
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