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Post by lovebunny on Jan 11, 2023 13:53:41 GMT
Thank you all for this.
About to look up Byron Katie's "The Work."
I woke up again, 4th morning after leaving, and still couldn't get through breakfast (eating is hard) without sobbing.
I have never in my life been so displaced. I've never been the one to have to leave my home after a breakup.
The people who are letting me stay with them are new-ish friends, I just got to know them this past year, and I'm so grateful they're loaning me their guest cottage, but I just feel sooooo awkward being here. I have to go into their house to use the kitchen, and the dog barks at me, and I have to ask where things are or borrow things that I didn't pack in my hurry to leave. I can't have a conversation for more then 10 minutes without crying.
Meanwhile, all my worldly possessions, and the things we picked together, are still sitting there at his place. How can he walk around with so many reminders of me and of the life we were building together and not have it soften his heart? I know he feels guilty, he says he misses me badly, but he still doesn't choose me.
The guesthouse I'm in is tiny, and I need to acknowledge that the next place I live is also going to be tiny. Rents here have skyrocketed the last several years while I was in my nice rent-controlled 1-bdrm cottage, then my boyfriend's spacious house. Everyplace I've seen so far in my price range is an efficiency, smaller than anyplace I've ever lived, including Manhattan in the early 90's. I'm not the sort of person who enjoys roommates, unless maybe it was a really good friend, I really prefer my own space.
I'm realizing I might not get to bring my furniture with me to a new place, I haven't seen anything where I can fit my couch and bookcase, let alone my paddleboards. My lifestyle is taking a huge hit, adding to my already huge feelings of loss.
I lunched with a friend yesterday who said to me that when she saw pics of bf and me together on social media, she thought she'd never seen me look more happy and peaceful, more "in my element." She remarked on all the adventures we'd gone on together, and how much fun we seemed to have. I really was happy with him most of the time.
I am still jumping at my phone for every text, hoping it's him. I don't know what I'm expecting. He's not going to change his mind and choose me anytime soon.
Let me try to look on the brighter side: I pulled myself together enough to color my hair last night so I look a little brighter than yesterday. I had a nice movie night at a friend's house last night that made me feel very loved. I have NOT been numbing myself out on drugs and booze, which he tells me is how he's been dealing.
That's about all I can come up with right now. I'm off to go look at more crappy real estate this morning.
Thank you all again for listening and chiming in, you are helpful and I'm grateful!!!!
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Post by seeking on Jan 11, 2023 23:34:17 GMT
Sounds like you'll be moving through the stages of grief, which is normal - bargaining, denial, shock, etc. It's still fresh. It will take time.
Also sounds like there is a lot of underlying addiction issues here. Have you looked into Love Addiction?
I would also look into Internal Family Systems if you can. I mentioned that in my previous post.
You're not numbing with drugs and alcohol, as you said. And that's great. But if you look at him as the substance, sobriety is going to be tough. The pain underneath it all --- which as some of us have already said --- is probably very old (childhood) -- will continue to drive behaviors that may not be helpful, may be painful, non-productive, etc.
You're really fortunate to have such loving friends around you and the guest house; even though it's awkward, I imagine it could be much worse if you truly had nowhere to go or had to spend money on a hotel until you found something.
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Post by seeking on Jan 11, 2023 23:37:38 GMT
This won't be helpful, but I guess I will say it. This guy is a jerk to put it lightly. He's a victim of breaking up with you? That's so twisted.
Please don't buy into the story of how hard it is for him. He's an adult and he can make choices differently. Right now he's choosing someone else who feels threatened by you so he got rid of you. That's what it sounds like. What a sh*tty thing to do. And, yes, you were polyamorous, but as someone said earlier, it's pretty tough to get that "right." But still, polyamory aside, this guy truly sounds like a hot mess. And other choice words I won't write here.
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Post by lovebunny on Jan 12, 2023 13:42:00 GMT
Thank you seeking. I think of anxious attachment and love addiction as basically the same thing, no? I was on a forum about LA for quite some time, but got turned off by the religious aspect, surrendering to a higher power, etc., and a strict adherence to marriage/monogamy as the only way. It didn't work for this sex-positive, die-hard atheist. But I'm completely aware that I'm prone to getting "lovesick," and yes, I'm in withdrawl right now with all the symptoms. My hands shake, stomach upset, desperate for the next "hit." Though I managed to keep up my friends, work, hobbies throughout our relationship, he was definitely the center of my universe, and the thing I wanted to do most of the time. I lived for his attention. I'm in perimenopause, which is actually kind of helpful that my libido has been less insistent than my younger days. I have zero desire to have breakup sex with this man, and honestly? The few lusty thoughts I've had lately were about the last guy I had got with, and not exbf. Probably because that dude was just a fun fling and I don't associate him with PAIN AND REJECTION. I was raised with what I call a benign neglect. I was clothed, fed, not abused...but no one was emotionally attuned to me, and my childhood was very lonely and isolated. I understand that I seek out people with whom I can attempt to "fix" this. I honestly thought this man was different. He seemed emotionally available, he was up for long, intense, deep talks, he showed up for me in a million ways, like I said, probably the best partner I've had so far as far as communication, care and attentiveness. He made a beautiful home for me. But then at some point after I moved in, everything turned into his way or the highway, and if I stood up for myself or tried to set boundaries, I was showed the door. I knew something was wrong, I just didn't know what to do about it. When he started talking about us being life partners, I told him I couldn't commit to that with a man intent on being poly, it's just too unstable a relationship structure. I refused to give him that title, partner. He claimed to be very hurt by that. He really thought that what he gave me ought to be "enough." He told me I had too many expectations. The other woman has agreed to have none. This morning (day 5.) I woke after my first good, long sleep in a week or so. Last night I actually managed to find some feelings of safety and hope, but this morning they seem to have faded. I am truly one of the loneliest people I know. I don't have family close to me, I have a handful of friends, no partner.....It's depressing. This morning I was craving a text from him, and it came. It was to tell me something nice he'd done for our pets that made them happy. It was deeply unsatisfying, I wept and didn't respond. Though it occurs to me that acts of service is one of his love languages, hence him always trying to show me love by building me something in the house or fixing something or making me something. I have to go back to the house this afternoon to get some things and I want to see the animals and maybe padddleboard, and it's the weirdest feeling to be dying to see him and my things yet terrified to see him. Yes, he is a hot mess and living in a fantasy world where he can have a harem of women who don't made demands on him, and where he is doing the right thing by "following his gut" and dumping the woman he only a week ago thought he wanted to spend the rest of his life loving. He's in his late 40's and wants to live like a 20-something, dating and staying out all night doing drugs and being the creepy old guy at music festivals. I have no desire to do any of that. Thank you all again, being able to come here for support is truly helping I think.
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Post by tnr9 on Jan 12, 2023 15:32:41 GMT
So…I am going to say something that is in fact counter intuitive…it IS ok to miss him…it IS ok to have both fear and desire of him…it IS ok to see him as the safety you never got from your family. So many people here can attest to how they tried to help me see B as a complex person and I could not process any of that for a very long time. Just know that you will get to the other side of this at a date that is yet to be determined. In the process of questioning why I missed B, I ended up missing him more because I had no other safe person at that time…and the memory of B did feel safe (but just like you, it also felt scary). Give yourself grace and room to miss him, while also looking for other people who are truly safe (you are already on the right track by feeling it within yourself). Since you are in peril menopause….it might be a good time to get your neurotransmitters checked. I found out that I was low on serotonin and am now on a SSRI…which honestly was a huge step in my journey. I do wish you well on seeing him today…..allow yourself to continue to grieve.
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Post by seeking on Jan 12, 2023 19:01:47 GMT
Yes, he is a hot mess and living in a fantasy world where he can have a harem of women who don't made demands on him, and where he is doing the right thing by "following his gut" and dumping the woman he only a week ago thought he wanted to spend the rest of his life loving. He's in his late 40's and wants to live like a 20-something, dating and staying out all night doing drugs and being the creepy old guy at music festivals. I have no desire to do any of that. Unfortunately I know the type well. I'm guessing if you go over there he'll solicit you for sex or even maybe another go around now that you've stopped making demands on him. I'd go in with some clear boundaries knowing this.
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Post by alexandra on Jan 12, 2023 19:17:11 GMT
I was on a forum about LA for quite some time, but got turned off by the religious aspect, surrendering to a higher power, etc., and a strict adherence to marriage/monogamy as the only way. It didn't work for this sex-positive, die-hard atheist. I'm a little surprised to hear this was the approach, though maybe I shouldn't be because I've been told AA can get way too religious as well. I know somehow who was a recovering love addict, and drug addict, and found help for it that seems to have really stuck over a few years now. I'll ask if they had any good online resources for it -- this is also a sex positive person who would be put off by too much religion being pushed in the healing process. Are there any in-person support groups where you live? It sounds like you may live somewhere that doesn't have a huge local population and may not?
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Post by cherrycola on Jan 12, 2023 22:29:39 GMT
This might sound strange but change your text notification sound or mute your phone. Your brain has now associated that sound with the possibility it is him. But a new sound or lack of sound may break the reminder.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2023 4:39:17 GMT
lovebunny, the life he is leading sounds self absorbed and totally gross, pathetic even. I'm not saying this to knock you, but to remind you that you can't sell out for security, and the future you had envisioned is a total fantasy with a guy like this. I am so sorry you got bamboozled here, and it's not your fault. Unavailable people sometimes capitalize on the human need to find a true mate. It's a longing not of just an insecure person, but secure people as well. They just do a better job of finding the right one. Relationships are not only romantic, there are practical aspects to partnership that are real and appealing. So don't beat yourself up over any of this. It just could never be, with a character like this. He wrote you in and he wrote you out, because it's about him and his appetites and his feelings and his freedom and his entitlement really. Don't settle. You are going to get through this with more experience and awareness under your belt.
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Post by lovebunny on Jan 13, 2023 13:41:13 GMT
Tomorrow will be one week since I shoved a bunch of clothes into a suitcase and left. Yesterday, I went back to the house to get some things and check on the animals. They're fine, though their enclosures are not as clean as when I was tending them. I took my paddleboard out for a bit, paddling and weeping. On the shore, a deer made eye contact with me.
It was tremendously dark to see my things still there, especially this one display case where me mixed our family heirlooms, it was marvelous because we had so many little things that matched: a carved wooden owl made by his grandfather next to a remarkable similar painting of an owl by my father, etc... He hadn't touched anything of mine, down to the glass of wine I was drinking right before I left, still sitting on the coffee table.
His ADHD is clearly in overdrive, the place was chaotic, and I realized how much picking up after him I did. He says he's mostly staying in his "man cave," avoiding the living room entirely, which is full of my furniture, decorations and books.
He came home while I was still there, and we talked a little. He admitted he'd wanted to break up months ago, but didn't because the sex. He says he isn't "over me," and finds new things he misses about me daily. He says he still has some denial going on, too. I still can't talk to him without being fairly vicious, or just crying, so I didn't stay long after he came home, but I did let him hug me for a minute while I cried, just completely overwhelmed by the task at hand.
Sadly, he looks handsomer than ever. When I met him, he was cute but scruffy and had a dad-bod. I taught him about manscaping and convinced him to lose the mustache and got him into paddleboarding, gave him new communication and relationship skills, all this so he can now go off and attempt to bed multiple women. He has the nerve to tell me I "need to learn to be happy alone." I responded that humans aren't meant to be alone, and I've done my time alone and now I'm ready for a real partner. I think he definitely took advantage of how badly I want a life partner, saying what I wanted to hear to get what he wanted--a warm body to come home to after his adventures.
It's true I walk away with is a clearer knowledge of what I will and will not tolerate in my next relationship, assuming there will be one. Am I dreaming that I'll find love and passion again at 51 years old? Right now the long stretch of loneliness in front of me seems un-survivable.
I thank you all for your suggestions. I live on an island with limited resources, and I'm working with a very low budget. I will be in debt soon due to paying F/L/S on an apartment, plus the brakes on my car desperately need repair. My health insurance is not great. In other words, there will be no paying for therapists or checking on neurotransmitters (I'm already on low doses of an antidepressant and an antianxiety.) My belt will be tight or some time.
Last night I was able to enjoy a very long, hot shower, then had a glass of wine outside with my host and his dog, I was even able to crack a few jokes before exhaustion and depression forced me back inside my tiny little room. I slept through the night again without problems.
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Post by tnr9 on Jan 13, 2023 16:36:17 GMT
Tomorrow will be one week since I shoved a bunch of clothes into a suitcase and left. Yesterday, I went back to the house to get some things and check on the animals. They're fine, though their enclosures are not as clean as when I was tending them. I took my paddleboard out for a bit, paddling and weeping. On the shore, a deer made eye contact with me. It was tremendously dark to see my things still there, especially this one display case where me mixed our family heirlooms, it was marvelous because we had so many little things that matched: a carved wooden owl made by his grandfather next to a remarkable similar painting of an owl by my father, etc... He hadn't touched anything of mine, down to the glass of wine I was drinking right before I left, still sitting on the coffee table. His ADHD is clearly in overdrive, the place was chaotic, and I realized how much picking up after him I did. He says he's mostly staying in his "man cave," avoiding the living room entirely, which is full of my furniture, decorations and books. He came home while I was still there, and we talked a little. He admitted he'd wanted to break up months ago, but didn't because the sex. He says he isn't "over me," and finds new things he misses about me daily. He says he still has some denial going on, too. I still can't talk to him without being fairly vicious, or just crying, so I didn't stay long after he came home, but I did let him hug me for a minute while I cried, just completely overwhelmed by the task at hand. Sadly, he looks handsomer than ever. When I met him, he was cute but scruffy and had a dad-bod. I taught him about manscaping and convinced him to lose the mustache and got him into paddleboarding, gave him new communication and relationship skills, all this so he can now go off and attempt to bed multiple women. He has the nerve to tell me I "need to learn to be happy alone." I responded that humans aren't meant to be alone, and I've done my time alone and now I'm ready for a real partner. I think he definitely took advantage of how badly I want a life partner, saying what I wanted to hear to get what he wanted--a warm body to come home to after his adventures. It's true I walk away with is a clearer knowledge of what I will and will not tolerate in my next relationship, assuming there will be one. Am I dreaming that I'll find love and passion again at 51 years old? Right now the long stretch of loneliness in front of me seems un-survivable. I thank you all for your suggestions. I live on an island with limited resources, and I'm working with a very low budget. I will be in debt soon due to paying F/L/S on an apartment, plus the brakes on my car desperately need repair. My health insurance is not great. In other words, there will be no paying for therapists or checking on neurotransmitters (I'm already on low doses of an antidepressant and an antianxiety.) My belt will be tight or some time. Last night I was able to enjoy a very long, hot shower, then had a glass of wine outside with my host and his dog, I was even able to crack a few jokes before exhaustion and depression forced me back inside my tiny little room. I slept through the night again without problems. Gosh…this guy sounds eerily similar in some ways to B. B had ADHD as well…However B lived with his parents so we mainly hung out at my place. After B broke up with me, he had confessed he initially was with me because he wanted a cuddle buddy…he said he grew to love me which made breaking up with me hard…but that he felt guilty because he could not see a future for the 2 of us. I do remember in the beginning months thinking about how much I had helped him gain in his self esteem and how someone else would benefit from that…but I now see how I had over emphasized my impact on him….the fact is you have no clue if he actually will keep up with the sport or still manscape….but more importantly, he has not done any work on his attachment issues and that is key to changing his relationship dynamics.
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Post by alexandra on Jan 13, 2023 20:08:24 GMT
He admitted he'd wanted to break up months ago, but didn't because the sex. He says he isn't "over me," and finds new things he misses about me daily. He says he still has some denial going on, too. It has already been said by a couple other people, but this guy has main character syndrome bad. Everything new he says sucks more and more. Good riddance to him. I've asked about the online SLAA support groups and was told atheist ones absolutely exist. I'm still trying to get specific names of recommended ones, though I'm not sure if the person isn't being specific in their own attempt to remain anonymous in any posts as I know that person IRL. But if you do an internet search for other SLAA groups, you should be able to find different options than the last one that didn't work for you.
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Post by mrob on Jan 14, 2023 0:46:36 GMT
12 step programmes aren’t religious as such. Spiritual, but not religious. The main tenet is that of personal powerlessness. Absolute bankruptcy in the area that’s the problem and the need to find a power outside oneself to get that Power. There are no veils, there’s nobody soliciting for religion. It’s one’s own personal business what they believe in, but if one still thinks they have an ounce of power, and are not willing to surrender, the programme isn’t for them. Try another way, don’t waste your time. That inability to admit personal powerlessness is what causes alcoholics to continue drinking and die.
I have been to SLAA quite a few years ago and it was extraordinarily confronting. I wasn’t ready. I had other stuff going on.
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Post by tnr9 on Jan 14, 2023 3:14:29 GMT
It's true I walk away with is a clearer knowledge of what I will and will not tolerate in my next relationship, assuming there will be one. Am I dreaming that I'll find love and passion again at 51 years old? Right now the long stretch of loneliness in front of me seems un-survivable.
I felt this way also…but as I have embraced who I am and found safety within myself….I know that there are several better fits for me….I just haven’t necessarily met them yet. Since you love paddle boarding, have you considered joining a paddle board group? I recently have gotten into shark tooth hunting and have made some great friends through this hobby…and who knows….I could meet someone through it. 🙂. The issue with having a “lack” mindset (ie..there just aren’t that many guys) is that it leads to tolerating incompatible partners. The island you live on now may be small…but the world is large….lots of single men out there…even at our age.
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Post by lovebunny on Jan 14, 2023 13:58:17 GMT
Today is one week since the breakup, and I think I'm starting to feel a re-arrangement of what I thought my life was going to be into something new. Yes, there will still be paddleboarding, and since I lose my paddle partner (for now at least, hoping we can be friends eventually we really did enjoy each other's company) I will be looking for new companions or groups to paddle with.
Though I lose the beautiful environmental area I was living in, I can still visit, as soon as I figure out how to transport my boards-- I've never used the roof rack on my car or pulled a trailer, but those are both options.
Maybe it will be fun being back in or closer to the city, maybe I'll get out more and develop the social life I let dwindle since I met the exbf just before the pandemic lockdown. I've already been invited to join a women's writing group, and as soon as I get my living situation together, I think I will.
I'm starting to feel relief that I will no longer have the anxiety of knowing he's with another woman. I won't feel pressure to be sexual all the time because if I don't please him enough, he'll go to her. I won't have to sit around doing jealousy workbooks and reading poly forums to try to talk myself into something I don't want, haven't wanted ever since I realized that I thrive best in committed, stable relationships. I'm realizing that a massive mental space just got freed up.
I just need to be careful that I don't fill my time with an obsessive hunt to find another partner, asap. Often, when I'm not seeing anyone, my feelings of loneliness and anxiety become all-consuming. I definitely have a scarcity mentality, and I don't understand how NOT to feel that way. It seems such a rare thing to have a person you want, and they want you back, AND the timing is right AND you have enough compatible to attempt a relationship. It's true I've never been alone long, but that's because I tend to try to make a relationship out of whatever's in front of me, even if it's not that great.
I have the whole weekend off, and the people I'm staying with are out of town so I have the property to myself. I'm trying to stay calm, lots of hot showers and reading books about how to survive breakups and release people, and I'm sleeping a lot the last couple of nights. I'm feeling ready to maybe venture out in public a little more, but I think that might take a lot out of me. I've spent some time with friends, but only 1 on 1, not sure if I'm ready for socializing really. I need to stay on good terms with exbf, I'll need his help with moving and doing things like mounting the tv and installing a bidet, plus I dream of being able to see my pets once in a while and launch paddleboards from his house once I'm over all this. I know from past experience I sometimes take years to get over people, but I wonder if this time might be different. Today I'm feeling surprisingly optimistic. Maybe all my hard word to become more secure over the last couple years is actually paying off a little....
Thanks, y'all are invaluable, and have helped me more times than I can count.
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