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Post by oshun on Dec 15, 2017 2:22:19 GMT
My Dismissive Avoidant bf of one year just told me "I think you're reading more into this than is there. I think you're starting to get emotionally attached. I've only ever seen you as a friend."
He said this immediately after sex, about an hour ago. Until this moment he'd been acting normally (for him). I'm just in a state of shock and I really, really don't know how to process this.
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Post by Jaeger on Dec 15, 2017 3:04:28 GMT
Before anyone can give any sort of helpful response, we'll need to know why you suspect you're dealing with a DA here.
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Post by neosporin on Dec 15, 2017 3:21:23 GMT
Agree with Jaeger... any more details? Could be an FA as well, or something else entirely. Interested to hear your story.
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Post by oshun on Dec 15, 2017 4:22:23 GMT
Hi, will share more details once I've been able to calm down. Still just sitting here in complete shock
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Post by tnr9 on Dec 15, 2017 4:35:51 GMT
Hi, will share more details once I've been able to calm down. Still just sitting here in complete shock Welcome oshun....I can completely understand why you are in shock. Did he previously refer to you as his girlfriend?
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Post by oshun on Dec 15, 2017 4:53:35 GMT
Hi again. I will try to articulate myself properly but I'm still in a mess.
I dated him for one year. We became exclusive and 'boyfriend and girlfriend' approx 2.5 months into the relationship, at the time when we first had sex. I got my first glimpse of his issues immediately after the first time we had sex. The sex itself was good, but immediately afterwards he disappeared into the bathroom to perform some bizarre after-sex ritual (he also has OCD). Then we went for dinner. Then he came back to my place but suddenly and completely out of the blue announced that actually he was going to go back to his mother's house (he has just moved back in with his mom despite being 40 years old). Then he changed his mind again and said actually he wanted to come into my apartment. We had sex again, he enjoyed the sex but looked like a freaked out small child right afterwards. Then he disappeared into my bathroom to do his strange after-sex ritual. He returned, looked at me like I was the devil. He spent the night and behaved relatively normally in the morning. Then I never heard from him at all for an entire week. At which he point he called me and said he'd had time to think about things and he wanted to be my boyfriend.
After that he was great -- for most of the time -- for a month or two.
Then cracks really started appearing. Push-pull to the extreme. Extreme drug abuse on his part. Workaholism (90 hour week) as a means to avoid spending time with me or anyone else.
Typical scenario will be he'll call me with a sense of urgency almost saying he's really missing me and can he come and see me or can we meet up. I'll agree. Then as the time nears to meet up he will get cold feet. He'll typically sit in his office smoking weed or run off with his drug addict male cousin. Then come the excuses "it's getting a bit late to come over and see you now" --- despite the fact that he is the one who has asked to see me in the first place.
If I even dared to call or text him once a week, that was too much. He had to control everything. He'd see me about twice a week, but totally at his convenience.
At first, the sex was amazing (despite his bizarre after-sex rituals). But in the most recent weeks, he's become incredibly selfish. Bizarre rituals around ejaculation. He cannot cope with the sight of his own semen, so has deeply strange rituals around condoms and other stuff. Lately he doesn't even care about satisfying me sexually, and he ejaculates within 3 minutes and then says actually he wants to go home to his mom's house.
Our last date we talked a lot and he admitted he has insecurities. He was more open about how things went wrong with his previous partner (they broke up two years ago). He seemed obsessed with her and her new partner still. He kept saying she was "Twin Flame." I was laying in bed crying (not that he noticed), because of his obsession with his ex. The next day we had great conversation lasting hours, he allowed himself to be somewhat vulnerable, sharing some of his various issues with me and telling me how much he cares about me and how attracted he is to me but how feeling close to anybody scares him. He told me he loved me but looked terrified while saying it.
Then today, he called to see if he could come over. I agreed. By 11pm he still hadn't shown up. I called him to see if he's coming or not (this is an endless and depressing pattern). Predictably he then said he was with his druggie cousin and "it's getting late. I need to get back to my mother's house." I told him I'd feel quite hurt if he flaked out yet again. So he came over.
But something seemed off right from the start. He sat there smoking weed. Refused to take his winter coat off (he even kept the hood up). He refused to accept a drink of any kind (even orange juice). Just sat there smoking weed. Then finally he stood up and started aggressively trying to strip my clothes off me (while still having his coat on with the hood up). He had very very aggressive sex with me (I cannot say I was a fully active participant) on the hard wooden floor. He said having sex in my bedroom would feel too intimate and prevent him from leaving in time to get to his mother's house.
Afterwards he refused to hug me and just looked terrified even at the sight of my front door with the chain up. He said "are you trying to trap me?"
At some point as he was trying to leave things escalated into our first intense argument (I've just let him get away with so much crap without arguing until now). I asked him if his plan now is to just come over to my apartment, f*ck on the floor, and immediately leave. We used to go out on dates. He used to spend the entire night. He then said that actually he feel I'm reading more into the relationship than is really there. He said he felt I was becoming emotionally attached and that he's now going to withhold sex and focus on just being friends with me. I asked him if he'd ever cared about me at all and there was just a long silence. Then he started talking again and he was crying and trying to blink back tears and he said that he's only ever seen me as just a platonic friend. I asked him why he kept insisting on having sex with me ALL THE TIME if he feels this way. He said well I'm the one who agrees to have sex with him. I was in love with him FFS. He's just clearly been playing games with me and using me all this time. And that was that. I just walked out. I could no longer speak to him. I don't feel I could even look at him ever again without vomiting. His last words were "why are you being like this?"
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Post by oshun on Dec 15, 2017 5:00:41 GMT
The ex he seems obsessed with, according to him, he was with for 7 months. They met. He says she was super needy and "forced" him to keep spending the night at her flat and forced him to take her on vacation with him when he didn't really want to. She got pregnant 5months into their relationship and he says she "tricked" him into this. She began miscarrying the baby and called him, crying, to take her to the hospital and emotionally support her. His response to her phone call was to completely ignore her and go to his mom's house to chill and smoke weed. He left her to miscarry the baby without him. She then never spoke to him again. He obsesses over her constantly and say she is his Twin Flame and that they have a "karmic relationship" or "karmic ties." He also obsesses about this woman's new boyfriend and how this new guy is not "good enough for her." This was the sort of crap he talked about and obsessed over while laying in bed with me.
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Post by oshun on Dec 16, 2017 12:20:01 GMT
Agree with Jaeger... any more details? Could be an FA as well, or something else entirely. Interested to hear your story. so nobody bothers to comment
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Post by DearLover on Dec 16, 2017 12:30:25 GMT
I will bother to comment.
GET HELP for yourself NOW. Forget about him. He is not an issue for you, YOU are an issue for your own SELF.
WHY did you accept such behaviour?
WHY do you think you are worth so little?
You are much more than THIS,
He came to show you what to work on, now do yourself a favour and grab this opportunity.
Sorry if it seems harsh and believe me I say this without judgement. I understand because I have been there. Here, we all have to different degrees. Our stories may be different but the root is the same. I wonder if you know what the root is?
Take care
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Post by cate on Dec 16, 2017 13:36:27 GMT
Oshun -
My ex had elements similar to yours. When things got too close - he insisted he only thought of me as a friend. Or a sister.
And he still seems obsessed with his ex who left him for another man. He still keeps track of her current BF’s family. I asked him why and he made up some lame excuse I can’t remember.
I broke it off about 6 weeks ago and have been NC and it has given me clarity. It’s hard to get that when you’re in it so take some time and gain that clarity. Try to get the perspective that say a friend would. If your friend came to you and told you the story you just shared here - what would your advice be?
I wish you lots of luck and hope you gain peace and clarity soon.
Take care.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 3:00:28 GMT
This "boyfriend" isn't only Avoidant but he is so messed up, you should thank the universe it's ended...please, really, stop allowing yourself to be treated this way.
Trust us, it will only get worse, and worse, if you don't do the right thing and move on. Date around, just to start to understand what normal men are like.
Put yourself FIRST, not any men who disrespect you, your needs, your feelings.
Your well-being is paramount, not this guy who has so many issues, I can't even begin to tell you how many huge red flags are waving "HELLO! Do you not see us??"
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Post by oshun on Dec 17, 2017 19:21:09 GMT
Thank you for your replies. I am still processing. I went (back) into therapy shortly after meeting this Avoidant man but the therapy is not feeling all that helpful. The therapist seemed to be encouraging me to give this man chance after chance. This most recent episode with this man is so shocking that I just can't fully take it on board yet. The sex wasn't even really consensual.
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Post by DearLover on Dec 17, 2017 20:05:00 GMT
If you are telling your therapist what you wrote here and s/he is encouraging you to go back, find a better one. In fact it is better to follow your own guidance system than follow rubbish advice and I suspect you know that already. At the end of the day it is pretty simple and straight forward. Ask yourself: Does this situation feel good to me, inside my heart and at my core (forget everything else)... the answer is either yes or no and then you take it from there.
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Post by oshun on Dec 17, 2017 20:21:02 GMT
If you are telling your therapist what you wrote here and s/he is encouraging you to go back, find a better one. In fact it is better to follow your own guidance system than follow rubbish advice and I suspect you that already. At the end of the day it is pretty simple and straight forward. Ask yourself: Does this situation feel good to me, inside my heart and at my core (forget everything else)... the answer is either yes or no and then you take it from there. I must admit I find my therapist's attitude baffling.
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Post by oshun on Dec 17, 2017 20:25:21 GMT
Our stories may be different but the root is the same. I wonder if you know what the root is? Take care My mother has been diagnosed with both Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder. She may very well be Avoidant as well. As a very small child, my mother would farm me out to live with random pedophiles and other degenerates. She would promise to come visit me but never show up. I have memories of being 3 and 4 and up, sitting there waiting for her to show up to visit me, and then as it became clear she wasn't going to show up, I'd feel this sense of deep humiliation, anxiety and worthlessness. Fast-forward to adult life. I re-experienced these exact same feelings every time this "boyfriend" has claimed he was coming over and then hours would tick by and he wouldn't have shown up. I'd sit in my apartment feeling worthless, anxious, humiliated and afraid. When (if) he finally showed up, however late, I'd feel on some level so grateful and validated that I'd ignore the fact that recently all he was doing was virtually ripping off my clothes, having rough, not wholly consensual sex with me the living room floor, and then leaving ASAP, without even a hug hello or a hug goodbye. To me, this was better than nothing. It's very, very sad.
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