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Post by kirrok on Apr 9, 2023 15:44:02 GMT
Hi all. I’m looking for some possible insights I haven’t encountered or considered in my journey through grief and working through attachment trauma since the breakup of my 13-year-long relationship. I’ll try to keep the details essential to my own experience. I’m M, early 50s, and was primarily AP in this relationship. My ex is F, late 40s, and was primarily DA. Neither of us were aware of attachment theory or the anxious-avoidant dynamic until the very last few days of our time together. In hindsight I can recognize many of our relational patterns through the lens of attachment theory. That said, I’m cautious about attributing “causality” even though attachment theory has helped me immensely in my own growth and learning.
Eighteen months ago, over the course of a few days, my partner of 13 years decided to dissolve our relationship in a way that I experienced as unexpected and traumatic. There was no prior discussion that would have led me to think that she had been metabolizing her decision for as long as she had been. In the weeks leading up to this she had told me that her hair had started to fall out in clumps in the shower, and we had one particularly difficult string of days in which she expressed frustration with our relationship, but as was typical, there wasn’t any resolution to that conflict. We had discussed couples therapy, too, though we hadn’t made it happen. I don’t want to paint a picture that oversimplifies things regarding our past patterns and issues, but from the point of view of that moment in time, I didn’t expect or anticipate that she might leave.
One afternoon I heard her on the phone with a mortgage broker discussing a loan to buy a house (we had always rented during our relationship). This was the first real clue that something was going on that I recognized as a clue, though she didn’t want to discuss it and was even defensive when I asked what the call was about. The next day she spent the day with a friend, and when she returned, she told me that she wanted time away from our relationship and had found a place to live for an open-ended amount of time. When I asked her where, she replied, “Why does it matter?” That day, I started reading about attachment theory (Tatkin) – I don’t know why or what precipitated it. That night was rough, but still there was no clarity around her needs and intentions. The next morning she went out for some exercise. When she returned midday, we were going about our typical life: making lunch, doing laundry, cleaning up the house. Then, as I was in another room, there was commotion in the house: lots of back and forth, car doors opening and closing. My ex returned into the house and announced, “I’m leaving.” No explanation, no discussion, no details, no goodbye. And with that, she walked out, left me sitting at a table, and drove away. During the following week she refused to communicate other than via text messages. We tried one phone call, and she was so dysregulated that she hung up. By the end of that week she asked me to vacate the house for a day and she moved out. Since that time she has refused to communicate; I know nothing more than I did the day she left.
There are, of course, many other details and experiences leading up to this that evidence our anxious-avoidant patterns both individually and together (not being clear about needs and boundaries, not repairing conflict, lack of mutual accountability, etc.). At this point, I’m quite clear about what I contributed to our relational dynamic and what I believe she contributed, and since the breakup I’ve engaged twice weekly with trauma-informed therapies (IFS, EMDR, etc.), somatic/nervous system work, and regular self-compassion approaches.
Despite all I’ve learned and continue to learn, I continue to be haunted by memories and wake most mornings with immense grief, yearning, sadness, and – often – nervous system dysregulation. More often than not, I still don’t feel emotionally safe. I’ve said that I feel like my exploratory system has shut down. I’ve noticed episodes of dissociation, too, which I wasn’t previously aware that I've probably had in my life. I recognize that some of the grief I’m experiencing is relationship dissolution grief, but much of it is the as yet unresolved, unintegrated attachment grief and trauma, and all of the beliefs/stories that come with it about my self-worth, fear of abandonment, and not receiving the validation of being seen, heard, understood, valued, loved, etc. in my past.
Outwardly, friends and family say I’ve improved a lot and that I’m not the same person. I’m able to function and go about my life more or less “normally” : I’m healthy, physically active, and I get out to meet new people and have new experiences. Nonetheless, my internal subjective experience has mostly been despairing and one of stuckness. I lost a big part of my sense of identity. Something that brought a lot of meaning to my life is gone. I loved being a “we.” I have an intellectual appreciation of trauma, attachment wounds, and the stories I tell myself about myself. I’ve made regular, concerted effort to offer my young, wounded parts love and compassion when I become activated. I’m aware of my stories about self worth and now regularly try to redirect that self-talk toward more compassionate responses. But still the intense yearning for my past life, the heaviness of grief, the daily episodes of crying, and the persistent feeling of despair.
What is my question? I don’t know. Intellectually, I get that this will take as long as it takes. I get that 18 months of grieving is nothing compared to 13 years of life with someone. I get that 18 months on a journey of healing after a lifetime of unintegrated attachment trauma is just a start. I’ve come a long way and have learned a lot in a relatively short period of time. And: I’m exhausted. I’m scared about my future. I’m OK with being alone, but the sense of loneliness is rough business. So, clearly, the lack of trust in Self persists.
For those of you who have navigated these kinds of experiences before, what words can you offer me on this healing journey? What might I be aware of that I’m perhaps not seeing?
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Post by alexandra on Apr 9, 2023 19:02:26 GMT
I'm sorry you're feeling overwhelmed, but take this as an opportunity to see all the positive steps and hard work and initiative you've actually taken over the last 18 months. Sure, you're not done yet, and it's not just 13 years you're healing from, it's closer to 50 years that you're now trying to recondition your nervous system from. It does take time, it's not linear, and you can't control the speed of your healing beyond sticking with confronting it and getting help (as you're doing). Lots of people can't even get to point of taking first steps, so seriously be proud of yourself for being in process. I recommend this thread a lot, as the article (and forum comments) discuss how simple, surface-level bad feelings can be intertwined with much, much more going on beneath the surface in ways people may not realize. It may be a helpful way to think about it: jebkinnisonforum.com/thread/2372/overcoupling-stress-responseKeep in mind that means the pain coming from continued reflection on the breakup still may not be about the breakup much at all, and is about the layers and layers of years of prior attachment wounding that are piled on top of it. When you're facing down 50 years of primal wounds that are half subconsciously pushed down (for example, the dissociation), it can be "easier" to deal with and ruminate about breakup pain and focus on another person instead because it's still easier than going deeper into the trauma underneath. The longing can seem like a "safer" emotional pain, like, this bittersweet feeling that you feel comfortable with (this feels horrible and I miss love and companionship, but at least I'm nobly missing love and companionship, versus confronting whatever was worse that came before), it's almost a more comfortable distraction even though it's still draining and miserable. I think it's one of the underlying components to love addiction, actually, because it's a distraction and high (when you're still in the relationship at least) from facing yourself and what's underneath. Since it sounds like you also are doing work into what's underneath, you may only be able to work on it with your therapists in drips and drabs because it's too overwhelming to handle all the childhood stuff at once, which is why your brain pushed so much of it down instead of processing it when you were younger and didn't have the tools in the first place, tools that you're now learning. So nothing you've said strikes me as not being on the right track. Which means try to accept exactly where you are right now as okay, keep at it, and don't overly distract yourself by focusing on your ex instead of yourself, as that is what keeps you stuck. Associating the issues with the wrong "layer" can keep you stuck, where the healing that needs to be done is deeper down and older than the issues and breakup with your ex. Going back further and dealing with that changes the foundation of you, and healing radiates out from there and makes processing the later life experiences more doable. It's also totally fine to take a break sometimes from the work and do something else, as long as it really is just a break and not an extended excuse to avoid further growth. But rest from work is important in this just like in anything else, so you don't exhaust yourself. In fact, it sounds like you should be alternating some of the trauma work with taking time to connect better with yourself and try all sorts of different activities and explore interests and experiences that will help you build your own solid identity, things you want to do without anyone else's input or voice or judgement in your head about it, hopefully having some fun along the way. An easy start could be exploring a new hobby or just trying a new restaurant by yourself for yourself, to learn and experience and count more on yourself, versus to distract. In other words, it helps practice being present and staying in your body to explore the experience and really learn what you like. Hang in there!
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Post by tnr9 on Apr 10, 2023 14:24:39 GMT
Outwardly, friends and family say I’ve improved a lot and that I’m not the same person. I’m able to function and go about my life more or less “normally” : I’m healthy, physically active, and I get out to meet new people and have new experiences. Nonetheless, my internal subjective experience has mostly been despairing and one of stuckness. I lost a big part of my sense of identity. Something that brought a lot of meaning to my life is gone. I loved being a “we.” I have an intellectual appreciation of trauma, attachment wounds, and the stories I tell myself about myself. I’ve made regular, concerted effort to offer my young, wounded parts love and compassion when I become activated. I’m aware of my stories about self worth and now regularly try to redirect that self-talk toward more compassionate responses. But still the intense yearning for my past life, the heaviness of grief, the daily episodes of crying, and the persistent feeling of despair.
Another thing to consider is your hormones and neurotransmitters…as we age….our estrogen, progesterone and testosterone levels change and that can affect mood. I am not saying this is the underlying issue…but it is a good idea to give yourself lots of grace at this time and perhaps talk to your doctor.
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Post by kirrok on Apr 10, 2023 14:44:24 GMT
Thank you both for the thoughtful replies; it means a lot to me. I'm currently reading about over-coupling. Much of the somatic work I've engaged with deals with titration of nervous system response in an effort to mitigate somewhat the hyperactive limbic response.
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Post by lovebunny on Apr 11, 2023 14:10:04 GMT
So sorry you're going through this. That she left without much explanation/closure after so many years just sucks, no doubt a huge shock and trauma. I'm just coming out of a 3 year r'ship, and when he ended things, I seriously felt for a while like I had a head injury. As others have said, have patience with yourself.
I was thinking you might read the book Exhaholics which really breaks down how we can become hooked on our own feelings of abandonment. Apparently, our bodies actually form an addiction to the chemicals created by these high-stakes feelings. Might give you some new pieces of info. I'm rooting for you!
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Post by kirrok on Apr 11, 2023 15:38:08 GMT
Indeed, lovebunny, it's been the most disorienting and traumatic experience of my life. It's as if she died unexpectedly: one day she was there, and the next she wasn't. And yet, that orientation to it doesn't help much because that's not what happened. I can understand she had a trauma response in those moments, but to cultivate a life with someone for all those years and just drop it all and walk out is shocking, even if you can accept in principle that someone can make a decision they feel is right for their own life. Thank you for the pointer to Exaholics – I wasn't aware of it. There's no doubt the chemical cocktail in our bodies/brains has a lot to do with our feelings, physical sensations, and patterned responses. I can feel it even if I don't understand it.
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Post by kirrok on Apr 8, 2024 16:34:55 GMT
In the intervening 2.5 years since the dissolution of my 13-year relationship, I’ve learned and grown a lot, and have made what I think are excellent strides toward ‘earning secure.’
That said, I continue to struggle with a very particular pattern. Periodically, I’m overcome with nervous system dysregulation that seems to manifest as anxiety (sometimes bordering on panic) that gets entangled with grief and intense sadness. When it arises, I’m overcome with the urge to reach out to and communicate with my ex-partner to be seen, heard, understood, etc. and indulge the urge to “convince” her to reconsider – or at minimum to reestablish a connection. I always resist, and I always manage to bring in Self energy to speak to my wounded parts with compassion and validate my feelings and experience. I know that she won’t be able to meet my needs, and either way, it’s not like she has proactively reached out to me. In that sense, there’s no there there; there’s nothing for me.
But this pattern keeps surfacing, and sometimes it's really debilitating and is in some ways keeping me stuck in my life. It has a tendency to generate a sense of despair, intense longing (not uncommon with AP folks), a sense that my current life has lost a lot of what made it meaningful, and I feel a strong pull backwards into the past. I often find myself repeating the refrain to myself, “I miss my former life.” So it seems to be grief and unresolved/unintegrated trauma entangled into a big hairy mess. It’s probably the abandonment wound, among other things.
How does one manage to give oneself what one needs when it comes to these types of experiences around a sense of abandonment? If what I need during these periodic urges is to be seen, heard, understood, valued, and loved – and giving it to myself seems to continue to be not enough – what does one do? Often, reaching out to family and friends doesn’t seem to soothe my dysregulation. Therapy hasn’t been particularly generative for me, either. About the only thing that has been effective for me is to go be active. I can also see the roots of codependent behavior in there, so it's something I want to learn to work with.
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Post by aislingt on Apr 9, 2024 6:51:14 GMT
Going through a process similar to yours, what helped/helps me most is a sense of curiosity about the new me. The old self died, the new one is not yet well-defined and effective in the world, but it takes shape. I'm having another go at life. What will this new self see, feel, do, how will its relationships look like, in what ways will it get creative? This is a source of hopefulness - because the alternative is to lose *everything*: the old self and its life cannot be recovered even if I wanted to. At the very least, something to be curious about - but, in fact, it's not only curiosity, there is also excitement, increasingly. I am almost 50 myself.
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Post by alexandra on Apr 9, 2024 8:15:42 GMT
It is indeed the fear of abandonment. That's the underlying trigger for AP. Going to others to help soothe you isn't going to work because you're at the core issue, and in my experience what seems to work for this is staying present in yourself and in your body and truly believing that you're going to be okay. That is in part why being active helps, because it usually involves regrounding yourself and your nervous system through physicality and not letting your mind spin out of the present. Lean into the benefit of that, though don't lean in so hard that you end up using it as an escape to avoid processing feelings and to disconnect from yourself.
My triggering like this just stopped all of the sudden after everything I'd done finally unexpectedly clicked (took a few years and happened after I basically had a 2 week long post-breakup anxiety attack). I had no idea that would happen or when. I woke up one day and just saw no reason to keep going through the pain that way and didn't want to anymore, but it wasn't exactly a mind over matter thing. My brain had been continuously processing trauma and feelings in the background (processing not ruminating!), and I think everything clicking was that it finally finished. I actually fully processed instead of getting stuck in the old thought patterns.
Getting to the fully processed stage still meant coming to terms with all the generational trauma reasons why I had an anxious attachment style and fear of abandonment in the first place, and then turning it into a narrative I could verbalize to myself. That takes being really honest with yourself about your childhood, the strengths and weaknesses of the people who raised you, and really honest about yourself (both the good and areas you'd like to grow)-- plus seeing all that through the lens of a grownup instead of a confused and stuck child (some people use re-parenting your inner child exercises for this). Instead of making excuses for loved ones and attachment figures who have weak boundaries, you look at who else was co-dependent around you and normalized that for you and put it on you and primed you to be in that role for them. And then you have compassion for them and for yourself, but more importantly, you try to connect with yourself to decide what YOUR boundaries and needs really are underneath all that, and then stay true to yourself about it. I think that's one path to overcoming the abandonment fear, but it's tough to do because someone else was probably telling you who you should be for many years of your life.
The original advice I gave higher up in this thread in the past also still stands. Keep doing the work you've been doing, and be kind to yourself. Because you need to manage and get through the triggered episodes, there really isn't any way around them except through. You're still honing your tools to heal enough so they stop happening altogether, but it's very very normal that they do still happen sometimes while you're still in the middle of figuring this out, and it's nothing to beat yourself up about (even though they feel horrible!).
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Post by kirrok on Apr 9, 2024 16:18:39 GMT
aislingt : I love your response, thank you. Fortunately, I don't feel like I've lost everything, but I could definitely stand to orient more proactively toward a sentiment of curiosity like the one you're describing. alexandra : As always, very insightful, helpful, and compassionate. Thank you. It helps a lot to hear the anecdotes from folks like you who have passed through some of these experiences.
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Post by cherrycola on Apr 9, 2024 19:30:44 GMT
I don't have any solutions as I am also on my own healing journey but I can identify with waking up in the middle of the night in a panic attack and dysregulated or sometimes during the day I get intense anxiety. What works for me is to become present to the feelings in my body and detach from the meaning and just experience them. I downloaded the free mindfulness coach app that veterans affair put out and in there, is a mindfulness for emotional discomfort that walks you through just sitting in those painful feelings. Sometimes it feels like sheer panic but I just stay with it and remind myself this is a feeling I will not die, I will be okay.
I have also read about how those of us in who are in pain, will sometimes subconsciously repeat the painful story again and again so that we can release endorphins to self sooth, so I think that is why it is important to just sit with the feelings and stop thinking about the story behind them.
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Post by tnr9 on Apr 9, 2024 22:53:09 GMT
In the intervening 2.5 years since the dissolution of my 13-year relationship, I’ve learned and grown a lot, and have made what I think are excellent strides toward ‘earning secure.’ That said, I continue to struggle with a very particular pattern. Periodically, I’m overcome with nervous system dysregulation that seems to manifest as anxiety (sometimes bordering on panic) that gets entangled with grief and intense sadness. When it arises, I’m overcome with the urge to reach out to and communicate with my ex-partner to be seen, heard, understood, etc. and indulge the urge to “convince” her to reconsider – or at minimum to reestablish a connection. I always resist, and I always manage to bring in Self energy to speak to my wounded parts with compassion and validate my feelings and experience. I know that she won’t be able to meet my needs, and either way, it’s not like she has proactively reached out to me. In that sense, there’s no there there; there’s nothing for me. But this pattern keeps surfacing, and sometimes it's really debilitating and is in some ways keeping me stuck in my life. It has a tendency to generate a sense of despair, intense longing (not uncommon with AP folks), a sense that my current life has lost a lot of what made it meaningful, and I feel a strong pull backwards into the past. I often find myself repeating the refrain to myself, “I miss my former life.” So it seems to be grief and unresolved/unintegrated trauma entangled into a big hairy mess. It’s probably the abandonment wound, among other things. How does one manage to give oneself what one needs when it comes to these types of experiences around a sense of abandonment? If what I need during these periodic urges is to be seen, heard, understood, valued, and loved – and giving it to myself seems to continue to be not enough – what does one do? Often, reaching out to family and friends doesn’t seem to soothe my dysregulation. Therapy hasn’t been particularly generative for me, either. About the only thing that has been effective for me is to go be active. I can also see the roots of codependent behavior in there, so it's something I want to learn to work with. I went through this with B….the guy I dated for less than a year, but it took much longer than that for me to stop wishful thinking and fantasing about him…and it always had to do with my nervous system being in overdrive. The thing is…this is not an outward healing, but an inward one. I had to get to the point where I could do for myself what B used to do for me…which was to calm my nervous system. I am a healing FA who leans anxious (and honestly thought I was an AP for decades). The issue for anxiously attached individuals is that we tend to look to others to sooth our overactive nervous system….and we often feel soothed only by a person who we have deemed as “our primary source”. When B broke up with me, I felt like I had lost something “cherished”…someone “comforting” to the little girl part of me. I used to describe B as a velveteen rabbit to my therapist. He was my single source of regulating my emotions and my nervous system. I tried to move that over to friends and family with zero success. What did work was slowly trusting myself more, doing meditation and breathing exercises and giving to myself what I had relied on B for…understanding, grace, forgiveness and love. Now, whenever I feel myself getting into a nervous stem overwhelm, I take ten deep breaths, I connect my physical body to the present, I ask myself what I need and I do my best to give that to myself. Sometimes I allow my feelings to get the better of me but that is when I give myself grace to start over the next day.
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Post by tnr9 on Apr 9, 2024 22:56:41 GMT
Outwardly, friends and family say I’ve improved a lot and that I’m not the same person. I’m able to function and go about my life more or less “normally” : I’m healthy, physically active, and I get out to meet new people and have new experiences. Nonetheless, my internal subjective experience has mostly been despairing and one of stuckness. I lost a big part of my sense of identity. Something that brought a lot of meaning to my life is gone. I loved being a “we.” I have an intellectual appreciation of trauma, attachment wounds, and the stories I tell myself about myself. I’ve made regular, concerted effort to offer my young, wounded parts love and compassion when I become activated. I’m aware of my stories about self worth and now regularly try to redirect that self-talk toward more compassionate responses. But still the intense yearning for my past life, the heaviness of grief, the daily episodes of crying, and the persistent feeling of despair. Another thing to consider is your hormones and neurotransmitters…as we age….our estrogen, progesterone and testosterone levels change and that can affect mood. I am not saying this is the underlying issue…but it is a good idea to give yourself lots of grace at this time and perhaps talk to your doctor. Wow….amazing to read where I was 1 year ago. So much has changed. I truly love my life…I have a job I like, a hobby I enjoy, a cat to cuddle with. I don’t miss being a “we”…or at least not the “we” that B and I were….i am so much better off as a growing “I” open to a more appropriate “we”.
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