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Post by ohboy on Aug 19, 2023 0:18:07 GMT
I am a healing DA with an FA partner. I continue to make progress. I have tried to include my partner in my journey sharing everything about my therapy and the insights I have made into understanding myself. I fully accept that my behavior deeply wounded my FA. (I was also in a stress mental health crisis at the time) I am not the person that I was before this journey started, but I have NOT arrived. I have a voice now and I talk, my feelings are out and I can communicate them, conflict is no longer terrifying for me. But I am by no means perfect at it. When I fail and am acting out of my trauma I am now aware of it and I correct myself or apologize and ask for a do over. The frequency of events have diminished greatly. He acknowledges that I have indeed changed a lot
But, he has rather reactionary and emotional responses to my shortcomings, it's as though he takes it all personally. How can I communicate to him, that I am a work in process and won't get it right every time and I am very comfortable with him calling me out on it if I do (a matter of fact I've asked him to) I want his support
He is under a lot of stress right now, and not doing a particularly good job of taking care of himself. Sometimes when we are talking it is like we are in 2 different universes. It's kinda like he is having a conversation in his head that he thinks is coming out and it isn't. Really weird.
Thoughts input please
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Post by alexandra on Aug 19, 2023 1:32:00 GMT
Relationships, especially between two insecure attachers, are a two way street. It's always worth it to be working on your side and getting more secure over time. However, improving your own emotional health and communication ability is only half the equation. Your partner has his own separate, individual problems that come with the FA attachment style. And I agree, when you have a different style, it can absolutely seem like you are talking around each other and in different universes. You can't expect him to change just because you are changing. You can only do your best and see if you two are compatible and in the same life stage or spot in the process of becoming more secure. Sometimes, earning your security, while it will do WONDERS for you, may reveal that you're outgrowing other relationships, and that's okay.
So communicate to the best of your ability, but don't expect him to change. He is who he is and just as your journey through attachment and trauma is about you and your own motivation to work through it, so is his. See if he can meet you where you're at, or if he stays reactionary and you need to reassess.
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Post by anne12 on Aug 19, 2023 1:54:20 GMT
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ohboy
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Post by ohboy on Aug 21, 2023 16:37:16 GMT
I will continue to put my focus on me and do my best as I always do. I am finding that when he gets "reactionary" I am not so upset about it because I accept where he is in his own head. I also check to see what he "heard" vs what I actually said. And I am often left scratching my head. Although he is super smart and intelligent (which is one of the things I like about him) I find it fascinating that he is so binary in thought processes..... one extreme or the other. Life is just more complex than that, the nuances matter to me.
Thank you for the input and the information
Warm Regards
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Post by cherrycola on Aug 21, 2023 17:30:30 GMT
I'm going to come off as rude. But why continue this relationship with someone who has already proven himself to be a poor partner who has no interest in growing or changing?
The way he interacts with your niece is in itself enough to end the relationship. Are you really comfortable with having every aspect of your relationship shared with her / with whoever will listen? And he has shown he has zero concern about others well being.
Someone who engages in black and white thinking and always jumps to the worse conclusion no matter what is said and how carefully it is said, is simple not capable of having a mutually fulfilling relationship.
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Post by cherrycola on Aug 21, 2023 18:38:19 GMT
It might help you to look at this relationship in context with the other people in your life. Do they hold mistakes against you? Do they assume the worse no matter what you say? Do they blow up little things into big things? With toxic people they drag you down into the mud with them, they can't help it. It is the only way of relating that they know. To them stable calm relating is not love.
Does he offer you the same level of empathy and understanding that you are offering him? Does he go out of his way to figure out the "right" way to communicate things? Does he check in that you heard him right? Does he change or are his promises completely empty?
What does he offer you? What need is he filling in your life? What would happen if you asked him for some space? Say a week of no contact? What feelings does that bring up in you?
Co-dependent no more talks about how once when partner heals, the relationship falls apart because the dysfunction that kept them together is gone. The other partner can then either do the work, or more often than not they leave the partnership.
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Post by ohboy on Aug 22, 2023 1:28:38 GMT
I'm going to come off as rude. But why continue this relationship with someone who has already proven himself to be a poor partner who has no interest in growing or changing? The way he interacts with your niece is in itself enough to end the relationship. Are you really comfortable with having every aspect of your relationship shared with her / with whoever will listen? And he has shown he has zero concern about others well being. Someone who engages in black and white thinking and always jumps to the worse conclusion no matter what is said and how carefully it is said, is simple not capable of having a mutually fulfilling relationship. I am not taking any comments as rude, I value the insights even though they may be different than I would expect. I think I should provide more clarify on his relationship with my niece. My niece lived with us for 4 years. She somewhat views us as her "parents". During the Covid isolation in CA, the intense work stress, family deaths and a host of other stressors, I experienced some mental health challenges. I withdrew completely and was in survival mode. They developed a very close bond. I do not believe that he has shared any intimate details of our relationship. He is an FA so unlike me a DA you can always tell when he is happy or not, his feelings are always out in the open. My niece is also FA, she can read him like a book. She is very sensitive to the slightest change in him and it causes her great concern and a whole lot of anxiety. During the period from Nov - March last year, his behavior was very erratic and there was concern that he would self harm. She was also present when he was hospitalized with TGA and extremely high blood pressure andsaw how erratic he was refusing to accept the seriousness of his medical issues. As I told him, " I don't know if it is the memory of what happened or if you are saying things to her but the fact remains that she has such a high level of concern about your mental health state that she feels compelled to break her boundaries and it is causing her a great deal of added stress." I know he loves her and would do anything to support her. He is the first man in her life that she has truly trusted as a father figure. He came back to me 2 days later and admitted that perhaps he relies on her friendship too much and the he would be more sensitive to over-burdening her. There is a quagmire here. My niece is 21 and thinks she is a full fledged adult. She thinks that she can compartmentalize everything neatly including emotions. As an FA she leans DA, is a classic over-achievers, takes on way to much, is dealing with a mother with a personality disorder and a drug addicted father. She gets an attitude when she is not included or told what's going on with other family members even when it does not directly impact her in any way. It's the "I'm an adult I can handle it" attitude. Legally she may be an Adult but I know her history, know what she's gone thru, I see her attacking the world as one big task. It is very clear that she is having problems handling her own business The good news is that my niece is now back in therapy. My FA partner brought up the thought that maybe he will go to individual therapy if it will help our niece to know that he is ok. Who knows he may even learn something. The situation last week completely destabilized me. Every trigger surfaced simultaneously and it was like I transported back to being a little girl and experienced all of the pain with it. It was the most intense emotional and physical experience I have ever had in my adult life. It was like I was pulling on my mother's leg crying and begging, demanding the attention and comfort all over again and being sent to my room as punishment for being needy. I spent 4 days racked with sobbs and stomach pain so severe I could hardly stand. (I had an ulcer at 15). 4 days of agony, no comfort, screaming at my deceased mother telling her what she had denied me, no self soothing worked. I sat in it, felt it all and I made it to the other side and when I did, I realized that HE, my FA partner did not cause that pain. THAT pain had been there all my life, that pain was caused by a need unfulfilled by my parents, not by him. It was not his fault. It completely changed my mind set. I don't know what's going to happen with my relationship. It may survive or it may die a natural death. But I find it pretty fascinating that the thing that brought me the most confusion has brought me so much clarity. Something to be said about running towards the pain instead of away from it. Can't wait to discuss this in this weeks therapy
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