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Post by bbz7985 on Mar 29, 2024 10:02:32 GMT
Hi all,
My first post here and wow what a wealth of knowledge there is! I was hoping someone might have some insight/advice moving forward?
So, A little back ground.....I was with my 44 year old ex for the last 4 years. Really happy relationship, lived in a rented apartment together and was in the process of buying a property, he brought up conversations about what we would call our kids, getting married etc etc. Last August He spent 2 weeks being really 'odd' where he just pulled himself away from me and started treating me terribly. He then blindsided me with a breakup saying 'something was missing' and bizarrely that he felt pressured for marriage (I hadn't?!) and then even more confusingly said he wants a wife and kids. I literally could not understand where or why any of this happened. He had never been with anyone longer than 14 months before me - should have been a huge red flag. I tried explaining to him that 4 years into a relationship because things feel 'settled' it doesn't mean something is 'missing'. I've since learnt about attachment theory and have come to conclusion he could possibly be a DA.
I was devastated a crying mess for the next couple of months but stayed away from him bar reaching out once to ask him to come meet me for a coffee which he said "he wasn't comfortable with". Unfortunately this process hasn't been made easy by the fact we work in the same building together so occasionally have to pass one another. Since breaking up we have exchanged cordial hellos but kept walking to where we need to be....... and here's the weird part......in the past few weeks when he has seen me at work he will literally spin on his heels and walk the other way, immediately leave a room if he walks in and sees me there, or if hes walking down a corridor towards me and spots me he will dive through the nearest doorway.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this shift in behavior? Should I just ignore him? Try and say hi? I've read around that people like this sometimes tend to process the breakup months down the line. I truly love this man and I hate how he has self sabotaged something with someone who adored him and wanted to build everything he ever wanted with him. Its really sad and such a shame. I'm doing my absolute best to try and heal and move forward under quite difficult circumstances but I would truly love to try and fix this as I have never loved nor connected with anyone like him. Is there anything I can do from my end or is it simply a case of staying away, trying to move forward and seeing if one day he reaches out?
Thankyou
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Post by alexandra on Mar 29, 2024 18:34:31 GMT
I don't think there's anything you can do to fix this, as it doesn't sound like you did anything to cause this. His issues are his issues, and you should see his new behaviors as an indication of how little he's doing to work through them. He's 44 years old, yet his go-to coping mechanism to dealing with difficult feelings is to literally run away. As hard and painful as it is to hear this, if you want a supportive husband one day who can be a good father, this is not your person.
Four years of not moving forward when someone's in their 30s or 40s, despite saying lots of pretty words about wanting to have all these things with you, means the actions are the relationship he truly wants and the words are an idealized version that he doesn't actually want or he'd have given some follow through on making them happen. When actions and words and feelings don't line up with each other and there's inconsistency, you need to listen to whichever one is the "worst" and the least you want to hear, because that's where the truth actually is.
Connection is great, but if there's no supportive commitment and follow-through substance behind it, then it makes for a stressful, tumultuous, and chaotic relationship in the long-term. Often that happens when one or both partners are not fully emotionally available enough to be open, transparent, vulnerable, consistent, etc. In this situation, the longer you stay stuck on him and why he's doing whatever he's doing, the longer it takes you to process the breakup and become emotionally available for someone who can meet your needs, whom you can trust can be in a relationship with you without having one foot out the door or potentially running away. Mourning and acceptance are the best thing you can possibly do for yourself here. Running into him is difficult, but it's easier if you see his immaturity for what it is and skip the analysis if you do see him, instead continuing on with your day. You deserve better.
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Post by bbz7985 on Mar 29, 2024 20:01:23 GMT
I don't think there's anything you can do to fix this, as it doesn't sound like you did anything to cause this. His issues are his issues, and you should see his new behaviors as an indication of how little he's doing to work through them. He's 44 years old, yet his go-to coping mechanism to dealing with difficult feelings is to literally run away. As hard and painful as it is to hear this, if you want a supportive husband one day who can be a good father, this is not your person. Four years of not moving forward when someone's in their 30s or 40s, despite saying lots of pretty words about wanting to have all these things with you, means the actions are the relationship he truly wants and the words are an idealized version that he doesn't actually want or he'd have given some follow through on making them happen. When actions and words and feelings don't line up with each other and there's inconsistency, you need to listen to whichever one is the "worst" and the least you want to hear, because that's where the truth actually is. Connection is great, but if there's no supportive commitment and follow-through substance behind it, then it makes for a stressful, tumultuous, and chaotic relationship in the long-term. Often that happens when one or both partners are not fully emotionally available enough to be open, transparent, vulnerable, consistent, etc. In this situation, the longer you stay stuck on him and why he's doing whatever he's doing, the longer it takes you to process the breakup and become emotionally available for someone who can meet your needs, whom you can trust can be in a relationship with you without having one foot out the door or potentially running away. Mourning and acceptance are the best thing you can possibly do for yourself here. Running into him is difficult, but it's easier if you see his immaturity for what it is and skip the analysis if you do see him, instead continuing on with your day. You deserve better. Thankyou so much for such a kind, comprehensive and detailed reply. Honestly, this has been the most confusing breakup of my life. I’m still struggling to process exactly ‘how’ in a loving and happy relationship someone can just cut you out of their life like that and seemingly not care?! Unlike him, I’ve had a number of relationships around the same length and never felt like this when they ended. I believe the love and connection was very very real and unlike any other I have experienced. We could literally finish each others sentences and all our mutual friends and work colleagues often commented how amazing we were together and how they were sometimes jealous. He just literally ‘turned’ into another person I never even knew out of the blue. Those last two weeks he started putting me down for things that when we first met he made a big deal of saying he was so attracted to. I was kind, patient, easy going……apparently that then meant I was a push over, too soft etc. The same week he came home saying it made him angry people at work kept asking him when he’s getting married? I am so traumatised and so confused as to how my ‘best friend’ could turn on me like this. Like I say, I’m doing everything I can to move forward. My career is going amazingly, I’m studying post grad at the same time and I’m keeping busy with friends etc. At times I think it’s been faaaar to long now just let it go….the fact he dumped me over the phone when I was away from home and has cut me off ever since really really stings. Going to work every day is proving hard as it keeps you kind of hooked waiting to see what the next encounter/interaction will be like. I guess if I could talk to him/understand him it might help? I’ve since heard he’s been going out to bars getting wasted to the point of being thrown out, trying to seduce 20 year olds and has been going around work saying he’s going to be a lonely old bachelor forever but he’s happy he doesn’t have the ‘drama’ of a relationship. I literally don’t know who this person is?! That, alongside his recent change towards me makes me think he perhaps isn’t coping quite as well as his cold shut off appeared? I’d love the man I fell in love with back. Not this alien stranger I see now. Ugh!!
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Post by lovebunny on Mar 29, 2024 20:47:15 GMT
Been there, sorry you're going through that.
I read a couple books that explained this phenomenon quite well. Namely, EXAHOLICS by Lisa Marie Bobby and The Passion Trap by Dean C. Delis.
Apparently, when the breaker-upper feels like they have to get out of the relationship, they'll find all kinds of reasons to back up the feeling. The harder you try to "fix things," they more they see your behavior as proof that they can do better, you're too "needy," and they're right to move on.
I have felt that shift you're talking about, with my last FA relationship. He was unrecognizable to me at the end, totally obnoxious, unsupportive, and the more I bent over backwards, the more he seemed to want me gone. It did a number on my self-esteem and ability to trust.
Your best bet is to stay as far away from him as humanly possible. Don't talk to him, about him (to anyone that knows him) and definitely don't look at his social media. Best to realize the boyfriend you had is gone, and this person is your EX now, and should only ever be thought of and treated as such. Even if he does start to "miss you," if you actually take him back, it's almost certain to happen again unless he's doing serious work on himself in the meantime, which it doesn't sound like is the case.
I'm so sorry, 4 years is a long time. You have some healing to do now.
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Post by bbz7985 on Mar 29, 2024 21:39:44 GMT
Been there, sorry you're going through that. I read a couple books that explained this phenomenon quite well. Namely, EXAHOLICS by Lisa Marie Bobby and The Passion Trap by Dean C. Delis. Apparently, when the breaker-upper feels like they have to get out of the relationship, they'll find all kinds of reasons to back up the feeling. The harder you try to "fix things," they more they see your behavior as proof that they can do better, you're too "needy," and they're right to move on. I have felt that shift you're talking about, with my last FA relationship. He was unrecognizable to me at the end, totally obnoxious, unsupportive, and the more I bent over backwards, the more he seemed to want me gone. It did a number on my self-esteem and ability to trust. Your best bet is to stay as far away from him as humanly possible. Don't talk to him, about him (to anyone that knows him) and definitely don't look at his social media. Best to realize the boyfriend you had is gone, and this person is your EX now, and should only ever be thought of and treated as such. Even if he does start to "miss you," if you actually take him back, it's almost certain to happen again unless he's doing serious work on himself in the meantime, which it doesn't sound like is the case. I'm so sorry, 4 years is a long time. You have some healing to do now. Again, Thankyou for such a kind and comprehensive reply. This forum is fantastic! I’m so sorry for getting so deep with you all. This has honestly been the toughest and most discombobulating thing I’ve ever been through. I guess the two major things I’m struggling with healing wise is constantly questioning ‘what on earth did I do wrong?’ combined with ‘how can someone who tells you constantly they love you and shows up like they love you suddenly turn?’ It’s honestly been the most disorientating thing I’ve ever experienced. The fact I’ve been stonewalled and treated so horribly since doesn’t help. 4 weeks after we broke up I managed to get him on the phone and I got fed the whole ‘maybe in time we can be friends’ line. I told him it wouldn’t be a possibility as I didn’t want to witness him creating the life we had talked about and it would be hard seeing him with other people. To be fair, he pretty much stuttered at this point seeming unsure and hurt. It’s really tough as literally the whole 4 years were amazing before that week or two before and even then, I didn’t know where those couple of weeks came from? I’ve had months to reflect on it now and I still don’t understand. Part of me wants to get caught up on the whole ‘No contact’ bandwagon for myself and for hoping he will ‘miss’ me. Part of me just wants to go and talk to him and say ‘Please stop diving out of rooms when you see me in there working away and minding my own business. You’ve hurt me enough and I’d really like it to just stop’ Avoiding and NC might work for many. Months on I would say I’m no longer the heartbroken anxious mess I was but having to keep on seeing this behaviour is really damaging and continues to do so.
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Post by alexandra on Mar 29, 2024 23:18:54 GMT
I've also been through a few iterations of what you're going through, and had those, what did I do and how could I be so awful that I lost the love of someone once obsessed with me, thoughts. The last time it happened several years ago, it was so devastating that I had to fully rebuild my self-esteem from scratch which ended up becoming breaking the bad relationship cycle I was in (I only dated avoidants) and earning secure lol. So there may be a silver lining for you at the end.
There's a couple hard things to consider. First, that guy you knew and the alien now are the same person. Both bits were always there, but he was masking how much of each bit there actually was. It's a foreign concept to people who don't have these issues to not just be your authentic self from the start, but there's usually a couple things going on.
When there are insecure attachment styles at play, there are periods earlier on where the new relationship energy and excitement can override trauma responses and nervous systems that get overwhelmed by relationships. Someone can seem to be all in until their attachment system starts to register you as a long term attachment figure that's going to stick around. Then, the person panics and flips but doesn't even realize what's going on because they have feelings they don't understand and just react to them. They now feel their feelings shut down, and that's all they understand. Something is wrong (all their unprocessed issues they're avoiding) and they can't explain it so it must be that you are the wrong partner and that's that. Even if it turns out that there's a pattern of them doing this over and over in the past with different people. This is their problem, which you can't do anything about, but they can't or don't want to deal with it so they're going to keep finding new people to get excited about, hope the next one will be different and perfect, and not do any work on themselves so it will fall apart again eventually.
Second, the connection and love were real, certainly to the extent your ex was capable. However, and this one is going to be really tough. When there's an enduring spark magical finishing each other's sentences connection... this is very often because someone is reflecting you back at yourself, without providing their own substance to back it up. Someone with mental health and identity issues doesn't know who they are, but they want to feel good and hope someone else will complete them. They may get very excited projecting all over a new person who ticks off some boxes about what is attractive, and it feels amazing. They want to know everything about you, they support you, they understand you, you're going to SAVE them from their loneliness. Eventually, at the end of the day, you're just a human being, and you fall off this pedestal because there was always a people-pleasing fantasy element on their side. Their own self-esteem and identity issues make it so they think if you know the real them you'll reject them, so they try to be whatever they think you want them to be (likely repeating a dynamic they learned to get adults to meet some of their needs in childhood). When this doesn't fix all their problems, reality seeps back in, and they get resentful because they no longer feel good. But maybe they don't understand why and try to stick around, neither communicating their real needs nor rocking the boat, because they think they should feel a certain way and hope it will just happen. Fake it till you make it.
If that happens, it has everything to do with their trauma and mental health issues and nothing to do with your value, your worth, or losing their love.
It's also possible for someone to realize they don't think you're a compatible match together, but they're such bad communicators and immature about conflict resolution that they can't deal with it in a reasonable or respectful way. Or they do tell you in dribs and drabs, uncharacteristically mean or weird things get said, then they cover with, "I'm just joking!" and they go on acting cheerful while feeling resentful. So that may mean they have issues, but they also don't think you should be together, and they're not mutually exclusive (meaning the issues exist and may make them bad partners, but they're not driving the breakup, they also don't want to be in the relationship anymore -- the issues just drive how poorly they've handled the conflict).
When all is said and done, there's a huge aspect of like attracts like in relationships. Meaning, with more perspective, you may start to see where he wasn't giving you enough but you were still accepting things on his terms, trying to keep the peace so he stuck around. And that's nothing to be embarrassed of, because without having the experience, you aren't aware that any of this is happening until you're on the other side of it. Were you really happy that in 4 years, you'd moved into a rental together but... was there any other momentum? I certainly believe you weren't pressuring him for marriage or anything, but were your longer term needs actually being met in this situation? If you wanted something more committed, and he kept trying but wasn't going to get there because he's not right with himself, then he's going to feel shame and guilt, maybe act defensive or angry, push you away. So, what is your level of emotional availability if you accepted someone who was so unavailable?
Only you know if any of this resonates with your situation. I have very limited information here. The last thing I'll say is I dated an extraordinarily DA coworker for a month once upon a time. It was very intense and predictably completely blew up. I still had to see him, and there were a couple times he seemed to run away when he saw me, too. If he wasn't a colleague, I'd have just been no contact, but since I kept seeing him, I didn't want to feel anxious in my workplace. After a couple months, I ran into him and said we should talk. He panicked that I meant about us, and I just made normal colleague conversation, I was calm, I let him off the hook totally expecting nothing from him. He was instantly relieved, opened up enough to agree that we could keep things cordial in passing, and that was that. He was afraid I'd be emotional and he didn't have any tools to handle it. We weren't serious like you so it's different, but I think conceptually, wanting closure and comfort at work is going to be the same. Because he's not going to be able to give you closure or answers you seek. Even if he remains uncooperative if you decide to reach out with an olive branch and he keeps dodging you at work, it actually doesn't matter. Those are his problems. The answers that will actually help you move forward are going to be processing through what happened by taking the reigns back over your own identity and not letting him or anything he did or does in the future define you. That's why I let my coworker off the hook, because moving on was more important to my goals than dragging out an unhealthy dynamic with an emotionally unhealthy person.
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Post by bbz7985 on Mar 30, 2024 14:33:46 GMT
I've also been through a few iterations of what you're going through, and had those, what did I do and how could I be so awful that I lost the love of someone once obsessed with me, thoughts. The last time it happened several years ago, it was so devastating that I had to fully rebuild my self-esteem from scratch which ended up becoming breaking the bad relationship cycle I was in (I only dated avoidants) and earning secure lol. So there may be a silver lining for you at the end. There's a couple hard things to consider. First, that guy you knew and the alien now are the same person. Both bits were always there, but he was masking how much of each bit there actually was. It's a foreign concept to people who don't have these issues to not just be your authentic self from the start, but there's usually a couple things going on. When there are insecure attachment styles at play, there are periods earlier on where the new relationship energy and excitement can override trauma responses and nervous systems that get overwhelmed by relationships. Someone can seem to be all in until their attachment system starts to register you as a long term attachment figure that's going to stick around. Then, the person panics and flips but doesn't even realize what's going on because they have feelings they don't understand and just react to them. They now feel their feelings shut down, and that's all they understand. Something is wrong (all their unprocessed issues they're avoiding) and they can't explain it so it must be that you are the wrong partner and that's that. Even if it turns out that there's a pattern of them doing this over and over in the past with different people. This is their problem, which you can't do anything about, but they can't or don't want to deal with it so they're going to keep finding new people to get excited about, hope the next one will be different and perfect, and not do any work on themselves so it will fall apart again eventually. Second, the connection and love were real, certainly to the extent your ex was capable. However, and this one is going to be really tough. When there's an enduring spark magical finishing each other's sentences connection... this is very often because someone is reflecting you back at yourself, without providing their own substance to back it up. Someone with mental health and identity issues doesn't know who they are, but they want to feel good and hope someone else will complete them. They may get very excited projecting all over a new person who ticks off some boxes about what is attractive, and it feels amazing. They want to know everything about you, they support you, they understand you, you're going to SAVE them from their loneliness. Eventually, at the end of the day, you're just a human being, and you fall off this pedestal because there was always a people-pleasing fantasy element on their side. Their own self-esteem and identity issues make it so they think if you know the real them you'll reject them, so they try to be whatever they think you want them to be (likely repeating a dynamic they learned to get adults to meet some of their needs in childhood). When this doesn't fix all their problems, reality seeps back in, and they get resentful because they no longer feel good. But maybe they don't understand why and try to stick around, neither communicating their real needs nor rocking the boat, because they think they should feel a certain way and hope it will just happen. Fake it till you make it. If that happens, it has everything to do with their trauma and mental health issues and nothing to do with your value, your worth, or losing their love. It's also possible for someone to realize they don't think you're a compatible match together, but they're such bad communicators and immature about conflict resolution that they can't deal with it in a reasonable or respectful way. Or they do tell you in dribs and drabs, uncharacteristically mean or weird things get said, then they cover with, "I'm just joking!" and they go on acting cheerful while feeling resentful. So that may mean they have issues, but they also don't think you should be together, and they're not mutually exclusive (meaning the issues exist and may make them bad partners, but they're not driving the breakup, they also don't want to be in the relationship anymore -- the issues just drive how poorly they've handled the conflict). When all is said and done, there's a huge aspect of like attracts like in relationships. Meaning, with more perspective, you may start to see where he wasn't giving you enough but you were still accepting things on his terms, trying to keep the peace so he stuck around. And that's nothing to be embarrassed of, because without having the experience, you aren't aware that any of this is happening until you're on the other side of it. Were you really happy that in 4 years, you'd moved into a rental together but... was there any other momentum? I certainly believe you weren't pressuring him for marriage or anything, but were your longer term needs actually being met in this situation? If you wanted something more committed, and he kept trying but wasn't going to get there because he's not right with himself, then he's going to feel shame and guilt, maybe act defensive or angry, push you away. So, what is your level of emotional availability if you accepted someone who was so unavailable? Only you know if any of this resonates with your situation. I have very limited information here. The last thing I'll say is I dated an extraordinarily DA coworker for a month once upon a time. It was very intense and predictably completely blew up. I still had to see him, and there were a couple times he seemed to run away when he saw me, too. If he wasn't a colleague, I'd have just been no contact, but since I kept seeing him, I didn't want to feel anxious in my workplace. After a couple months, I ran into him and said we should talk. He panicked that I meant about us, and I just made normal colleague conversation, I was calm, I let him off the hook totally expecting nothing from him. He was instantly relieved, opened up enough to agree that we could keep things cordial in passing, and that was that. He was afraid I'd be emotional and he didn't have any tools to handle it. We weren't serious like you so it's different, but I think conceptually, wanting closure and comfort at work is going to be the same. Because he's not going to be able to give you closure or answers you seek. Even if he remains uncooperative if you decide to reach out with an olive branch and he keeps dodging you at work, it actually doesn't matter. Those are his problems. The answers that will actually help you move forward are going to be processing through what happened by taking the reigns back over your own identity and not letting him or anything he did or does in the future define you. That's why I let my coworker off the hook, because moving on was more important to my goals than dragging out an unhealthy dynamic with an emotionally unhealthy person. Thanks again Alexandra - some really insightful observations here and some of the most useful stuff I've read!
He does have a history of short term relationships (14 months was the longest) so I do take some comfort in that for me to be around 4 years I cant have been all that bad! Apparently all his exes are 'mad' and awful people....I now realise that probably isn't the case and they were reacting to awful behaviour from him.
I guess I just went along with it all as he would be the one initiating conversations about our future......What will we name our kids? Where shall we buy a house near a good school? Who shall we invite from work to the wedding when we get married? What will our first dance song be?
All of this led me to believe everything was going on the right track. We lived in the rented place but he did have a property in another city that just months before leaving me he put on the market so that we could buy our own place. Its just utterly mind boggling?? He had been harping on all summer about my birthday present in the fall saying "Its something small and you're totally not going to expect what it is" - I was stupidly thinking to myself it would be an engagement ring. I had no idea I was going to be dumped! I guess everything just started getting really 'real' and he's decided its not for him? It was utterly confusing when he broke up with me saying he felt pressured for marriage but then in the same sentence said he wants a wife and family? I'm sure he's not going to find that getting wasted in clubs trying it on with 20-somethings.....unfortunately some of this is what keeps me hooked onto 'hope' - I keep hoping that hes going to go out there, realise how utterly awful the modern dating scene is and realise exactly how hard it is to find someone you connect with and want to be with. Sounds a bit narcissistic but I am pretty sure at some point he may regret this. It will probably be far too late. It probably already is.
I'm utterly terrified I have acted as his 'training wheels' for the next person and he's just going to ride off into the sunset whilst I'm having to spend a lot of time and do a lot of work to pick myself and the shattered bits of my heart up off the floor, probably will miss out on my chance of having a family (I'm 38) and wont allow myself to meet people as I'll be chasing the impossible 'high' of how happy we were and how attracted I was when we got together.
Going forward I think I probably will try and talk with him some at work and see how he reacts. This whole blanking/running and hiding situation isn't doing my mental health whilst I'm there any good whatsoever - leaving/changing jobs is unfortunately an impossibility and something that I dont want to do. It feels horrible to be sat in a room minding my own business and for him not to be able to have a coffee in there, I don't know exactly what he thinks I'm going to do? I was just content to keep my head down and continue working. Surely he cant keep this up forever?
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Post by alexandra on Mar 30, 2024 18:20:38 GMT
If I were you, and I was sure I wanted a family, I'd start allowing myself to feel anger -- at him for wasting my time at that age -- and sadness and anger at myself for accepting his words as intermittent reinforcement and not requiring follow up action to back it up. He could say he was selling his place for both of you, but still be only selling it for himself without any intention of actually moving on to the next step with you. These are normal and reasonable emotions, and part of processing the breakup is feeling them. I know you've already felt considerable pain after the breakup, and possibly some anger, but I strongly suspect you're stuck and haven't felt these specific feelings much yet or you'd be a lot less inclined to want to keep wasting more time on him.
Have you done any therapy since this happened?
There still potentially some time for you to accomplish your family planning goals, but it does require moving on from this mess of a person and being emotionally available for someone else and recognizing if they're taking action or all talk. A couple terms it may be helpful for you to get familiar with are future faking, and intermittent reinforcement (this is what gets people hooked on all sorts of things, including gambling).
Feeling your pain, but in a way that is truly processing it and forcing you to focus on yourself and address any past trauma you may have that primed you to push down your own needs and prioritize the high of chemistry above your desire for finding someone who will seriously commit to you, is very difficult but may be difficult enough to have the impact of getting you unstuck. Being blindsided myself, though learning through that that I didn't properly recognize red flags or what someone truly serious looked like, and then turning all the focus onto addressing my own issues, is what got me out of the loop. It was not an overnight change, but I only started on the path a few years before you after an FA ex things seemed amazing with for a long time dumped me. It's doable, and at any age.
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Post by bbz7985 on Mar 30, 2024 19:51:44 GMT
If I were you, and I was sure I wanted a family, I'd start allowing myself to feel anger -- at him for wasting my time at that age -- and sadness and anger at myself for accepting his words as intermittent reinforcement and not requiring follow up action to back it up. He could say he was selling his place for both of you, but still be only selling it for himself without any intention of actually moving on to the next step with you. These are normal and reasonable emotions, and part of processing the breakup is feeling them. I know you've already felt considerable pain after the breakup, and possibly some anger, but I strongly suspect you're stuck and haven't felt these specific feelings much yet or you'd be a lot less inclined to want to keep wasting more time on him. Have you done any therapy since this happened? There still potentially some time for you to accomplish your family planning goals, but it does require moving on from this mess of a person and being emotionally available for someone else and recognizing if they're taking action or all talk. A couple terms it may be helpful for you to get familiar with are future faking, and intermittent reinforcement (this is what gets people hooked on all sorts of things, including gambling). Feeling your pain, but in a way that is truly processing it and forcing you to focus on yourself and address any past trauma you may have that primed you to push down your own needs and prioritize the high of chemistry above your desire for finding someone who will seriously commit to you, is very difficult but may be difficult enough to have the impact of getting you unstuck. Being blindsided myself, though learning through that that I didn't properly recognize red flags or what someone truly serious looked like, and then turning all the focus onto addressing my own issues, is what got me out of the loop. It was not an overnight change, but I only started on the path a few years before you after an FA ex things seemed amazing with for a long time dumped me. It's doable, and at any age. You’ve hit the nail right on the head. I’ve struggled hugely to feel anger at alol and instead have just been stuck on feeling sad, confused and utterly bewildered. It’s also been hard to feel anger when in your heart the other person has something wrong with them - what a pathetic person I must sound eh? I have (only recently) had some days where I have felt absolute utter contempt which I’ve taken as a positive sign although it’s a horribly uncomfortable feeling to have……although it’s a different emotion (and probably more conducive to healing) it still has him stuck in my head. I look forward to the day he isn’t in my thoughts , it’s exhausting and I’m so tired. I haven’t accessed therapy…..It’s not something I’ve used before and wondered how useful talking things through would be? I’ve obviously spoken to lots of friends and family who tell me he’s not right, I deserve better etc etc and although I can appreciate what they’re saying it doesn’t help me feeling from feeling stuck. I’ve bought the book ‘Attached’ and only just begun reading it but I’m sure from what I’ve read so far there will be a lot of helpful information in there. On reflection, from me saying I was going to try and speak to him at work Ive changed my mind. I’ve tried being friendly and cordial….there’s no need for me to even do that now. I shall just blank him as if he doesn’t exist.
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Post by alexandra on Mar 30, 2024 21:29:47 GMT
I haven’t accessed therapy…..It’s not something I’ve used before and wondered how useful talking things through would be? I’ve obviously spoken to lots of friends and family who tell me he’s not right, I deserve better etc etc and although I can appreciate what they’re saying it doesn’t help me feeling from feeling stuck. If you have a good therapist, especially one familiar with anxious attachment styles, it will absolutely help because you will be talking about yourself not about him. There's a reason you have a blockage from feeling anger, and it's not because you're pathetic. It is getting in your way, however, because I am a firm believer in needing to process through all the steps of grief (denial, anger, sadness/depression, bargaining) to get to acceptance. They may not be linear in order and may not last equal durations, but my experience over my life has been if you can't get to acceptance, it's because something keeps you stuck so you can't process through all the stages. (My conclusion after spending decades getting stuck myself due to having attachment issues in the past.) It's very useful information for you to have that you've struggled to feel anger, that helps you pinpoint where you may have a starting point to work with. I would at least recommend Thais Gibson's attachment style videos, and of course Jeb who hosts this forum has his published bad boyfriends book, which may both complement Attached. But reading with an eye on the anxious point of view not just understanding avoidant will be more helpful to you.
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Post by alexandra on Mar 30, 2024 21:37:35 GMT
anne12, do you have the link to the anger stuff you've posted before handy?
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Post by kirrok on Mar 30, 2024 23:17:17 GMT
I’ve bought the book ‘Attached’… Personally, this is not my favorite book due to the way they cover avoidant attachment, though if it's your first introduction to any reading on attachment styles, it's a decent place to start. For great info on anxious attachment, I highly recommend Rikki Cloos's The Anxious Hearts Guide, Diane Poole Heller's The Power of Attachment for its coverage of all attachment styles, and Michelle Skeen's Love Me Don't Leave Me. Julie Menanno's new Secure Love book is good, too, but it's specifically focused more on partner attachment dynamics than self.
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