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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 22:40:17 GMT
that was in the DA forum. the tone of the whole site is DA’s are monsters with a few healthy posts here and there.
Put yourself in our shoes. It’s sick. And constant. and not going to change here.
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Post by yasmin on Jan 6, 2018 22:52:06 GMT
Well I understand that.
I think that people who have found this forum are often those who found the books and the tone of the book and website (even the titles of the book... "love or leave your dismissive partner" and "bad boyfriends") are kind of targeted in a certain way and probably have a readership that largely comprises of AP individuals who want to dissect their relationships. This is no offence to Jeb, he doesn't call any side "bad", but obviously from a marketing perspective there's probably a whole lot of people who want to buy books to understand their DA partner and when I read the book a lot of it was in that tone. I am sure if the book was titled and aimed towards DA recovery then it'd attract a different crowd. Then again, that wouldn't sell as many books, right Que Sera.
While sorry you're leaving I am also glad you came and wish you all the best finding a community or situation that fits more with your needs. I understand it's frustrating to be made to feel like there's something wrong with you and how one sided this debate can often be (in real life not just on these boards) but not everybody who isn't DA is incapable of understanding and accepting you. I know not every AP or FA or Secure on this board is wishing to demonise DAs in the way some do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 22:56:54 GMT
Thank you yasmin, i agree and had already considered the tone of the titles and i saw it thensame way you did. they are using this site to reinforce their dysfunction. it’s an infected environment. i hope to create a better one elsewhere. Thanks again!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 23:02:47 GMT
I believe i read that Jeb was AP and that comes through a little bit
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Post by yasmin on Jan 6, 2018 23:03:25 GMT
Well yes...this is a quote from the website... "Don’t waste your time and feelings on someone who will never be a good partner. My book, Bad Boyfriends: Using Attachment Theory to Avoid Mr. (or Ms.) Wrong and Make You a Better Partner, will save you a lot of time and heartache by teaching you to identify and avoid, or quickly break off from, the losers and broken ones that can never be loyal and loving partners" I understand a lot of this is sensational marketing spiel (on the lines of your thread titles ) and it sells books to angry people who've been hurt and rejected but it kind of also sets the tone for making it acceptable to demonise. I'll be honest here...the first time the FA I was dating ghosted me or acted cold I definitely thought he was a jerk and demonised him. Understanding WHY he did that was a journey for me, and in understanding I found acceptance and stopped being angry and blaming him and started being able to relate to him in a way that worked for us both. So I guess even though the journey sometimes starts off in the wrong place (he's such a jerk!!) there is actually a path to something better (he's actually not a jerk!!) for people who persevere. This is really why I hope people like yourself stay, but I completely understand that everyone has different needs and if you're looking for a safe place to confer and share with people who understand you then I totally get these boards are tricky for that. There is always going to be an influx of new members who are hurting / angry and not educated on it all and unfortunately the ones who have worked it out and healed will often move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 23:14:18 GMT
*slaps forehead* hahaha! now i get it. i should have paid more attention.
there’s no chance i would stay because it puts me back decades to be around so much of the blaming and that stuff nearly cost me my life. I am just trying to see if some other self aware people want to build a better venue.
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Post by ladyda on Jan 8, 2018 21:53:32 GMT
Hi all, I'm new here and have spent the past few weeks obsessively reading about attachment styles. I'm 27F DA in a 7 year relationship (not married) with 28M who I suspect is AP, and am having serious doubts about our compatibility. All of the previous behavior mentioned in this thread rings true for me: excessive personal space requirements, shutting down in response to intimacy, becoming increasingly annoyed and cold as my partner pushes harder to try to achieve closeness, assessing my relationship in emotionally distant terms, etc.
For the first 4 years of our relationship my partner and I only saw each other on the weekends, which had the same effect as a LDR. We moved in together 3 years ago and I believe I've been living in a "triggered" state ever since, which manifested as completely shutting down to all emotions and simply existing. I started ghosting all of my friends when we moved in together and ceased personal communication with everyone except my partner, who didn't respond in a way that worked for me to my (admittedly clumsy and superficial) attempts to connect emotionally, which drove me further into the avoidance spiral and I just withdrew more into myself. I believe I got "stuck" in this state for so long due to a combination of my avoidant tendencies and depression.
A few months ago I experienced a drastic perspective shift when I opened up to the friends I had cut off. They were shocked to hear what my relationship is like behind the curtain; they unanimously said it sounded more like a convenient roommate situation than a romantic relationship. Opening up to them in that way reminded me that I do desire emotional closeness in my relationships (perhaps I have some FA elements) but my behavior is counter-productive to that goal. I'm just beginning to integrate this into my self-awareness and realize I need to work toward becoming secure to achieve what I want.
My partner and I are both very emotionally unavailable and I believe our relationship is codependent, but I also feel a sense of paralysis about moving forward knowing that dismantling our life together after all this time would cause him so much pain. However, reading all the AP posts on the DA forums made me realize my avoidant behavior causes him pain now, even though we seem to be unable to communicate these feelings to each other. I'm in the process of scheduling a session with a therapist for the first time which is a big step for me, and have decided not to make any life-altering decisions until that point.
Thank you for posting your experiences, which I've read extensively on this forum and the main DA forum. Hope we can all continue this conversation despite the detours in this thread as I find it incredibly helpful.
Edit: this was more of an intro than an answer to the question in the OP, my bad. From what I've observed so far, the hardest thing has been communicating my avoidant feelings in the moment they're happening, specifically when my partner is pushing for closeness and I'm very shut down and need more space. My knee-jerk reaction is to withdraw further into silence. It feels very dissociative, like an out-of-body experience.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 23:44:37 GMT
Hi all, I'm new here and have spent the past few weeks obsessively reading about attachment styles. I'm 27F DA in a 7 year relationship (not married) with 28M who I suspect is AP, and am having serious doubts about our compatibility. All of the previous behavior mentioned in this thread rings true for me: excessive personal space requirements, shutting down in response to intimacy, becoming increasingly annoyed and cold as my partner pushes harder to try to achieve closeness, assessing my relationship in emotionally distant terms, etc. For the first 4 years of our relationship my partner and I only saw each other on the weekends, which had the same effect as a LDR. We moved in together 3 years ago and I believe I've been living in a "triggered" state ever since, which manifested as completely shutting down to all emotions and simply existing. I started ghosting all of my friends when we moved in together and ceased personal communication with everyone except my partner, who didn't respond in a way that worked for me to my (admittedly clumsy and superficial) attempts to connect emotionally, which drove me further into the avoidance spiral and I just withdrew more into myself. I believe I got "stuck" in this state for so long due to a combination of my avoidant tendencies and depression. A few months ago I experienced a drastic perspective shift when I opened up to the friends I had cut off. They were shocked to hear what my relationship is like behind the curtain; they unanimously said it sounded more like a convenient roommate situation than a romantic relationship. Opening up to them in that way reminded me that I do desire emotional closeness in my relationships (perhaps I have some FA elements) but my behavior is counter-productive to that goal. I'm just beginning to integrate this into my self-awareness and realize I need to work toward becoming secure to achieve what I want. My partner and I are both very emotionally unavailable and I believe our relationship is codependent, but I also feel a sense of paralysis about moving forward knowing that dismantling our life together after all this time would cause him so much pain. However, reading all the AP posts on the DA forums made me realize my avoidant behavior causes him pain now, even though we seem to be unable to communicate these feelings to each other. I'm in the process of scheduling a session with a therapist for the first time which is a big step for me, and have decided not to make any life-altering decisions until that point. Thank you for posting your experiences, which I've read extensively on this forum and the main DA forum. Hope we can all continue this conversation despite the detours in this thread as I find it incredibly helpful. Edit: this was more of an intro than an answer to the question in the OP, my bad. From what I've observed so far, the hardest thing has been communicating my avoidant feelings in the moment they're happening, specifically when my partner is pushing for closeness and I'm very shut down and need more space. My knee-jerk reaction is to withdraw further into silence. It feels very dissociative, like an out-of-body experience. Hey Welcome! I look froward to seeing you around the forum!
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Post by goldilocks on Feb 10, 2018 20:32:15 GMT
I feel exactly the same about my home being a sanctuary!!! I have decorated it in ways that both calm my senses and express my personality. Inviting someone at home is an intimate gift that, now that I am healthy, I am very willing to share with those I have known and liked for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 17:15:28 GMT
I feel exactly the same about my home being a sanctuary!!! I have decorated it in ways that both calm my senses and express my personality. Inviting someone at home is an intimate gift that, now that I am healthy, I am very willing to share with those I have known and liked for a while. I need decorating tips! Maybe cause I am avoidant, I am not a good decorator? LOL
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Post by goldilocks on Feb 11, 2018 17:44:03 GMT
Mary, You could take some pictures of cafe's, restaurants and houses where you feel at ease and at home. Try to find out what they have in common. Or browse through the interiors on apartment therapy and safe the ones you like into a folder. If you can find underlying patterns, you have guidelines in what pleases you. Try to visualise your ideal sanctuary and how you would feel there. Then see what you need to change to get closer to that. Getting rid of clutter can also make your space calmer.
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Post by leavethelighton on Feb 18, 2018 0:54:02 GMT
I struggle with a couple of things... first, anger at times, but I've come to realize that my anger comes from a desire to have an ally in the challenges of life and so if I feel like I'm literally or metaphorically holding the household together, it can come out as anger or criticism. It can still happen, but at least now I know it comes from a history of feeling like I was in charge of everything in my life from a too-young age-- for a long time in teenhood and young adulthood onward it wouldn't even OCCUR to me to ask anyone for help (I'm getting better at that as I near middle age).
It also took me a long time to shake my version of the fantasy "phantom ex" (who wasn't really an ex, but that's what the basic concept is called as you tend to see it in attachment styles literature). I almost felt for a very long time like I had to have that imagined life parallel to my real life in order to survive the real life. I'd probably still be stuck in that if it weren't for reading a lot of books that derive from attachment theory and gaining enough self insight to finally understand my self, why I do/think/act the way I do, why my history of friendshps and relationships has been what it has been, and what should and can change in the future.
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