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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 8:47:18 GMT
Hi all,
I'm anxious with an avoidant (probably dismissive more than fearful, but i'm not sure). He detached for a month last month, and I was really physically sick during that time. While my pursuer's instincts and behaviors were activated in the first week, I quickly withdrew as well and gave him space by not texting him too much and not showing affection consistently (we are long distance and texts everyday). During this time, I've been physically unwell - I can't sleep well, my head felt like it's imploded, my energies are all over the place, and I'm having massive backaches. Is this normal? I feel like I'm undergoing withdrawal symptoms. He "came back" in the past two weeks, acting more loving and being more present. Instead of being happy, I was literally terrified and felt even more sick at it. I'm holding my distance though still texting, while trying to sort myself out in the meantime. I'm working to understand him, me, and how I can get through my own attachment issues (from parents, not him).
Has anyone got this experience of being physically sick?
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Post by kristyrose on Jan 16, 2018 19:00:47 GMT
Hi anxious,
I have absolutely felt the same. When my FA ex broke up with me last April, I went NC to help myself and also I felt terrified of seeing him. During that time, I had trouble sleeping and had anxiety attacks. I needed to be around friends all of the time, I couldn't be alone. I read blogs on how to get over a bad break-up and then found as many forums as I could on the AP/FA dynamic so I could understand and move on. He reached out a number of times, just wanting a response it seemed. Eventually I did reach out and we saw each other after almost 2 months of NC.
Initially it was great, we started to date again (although he would not call it that) and as the weeks soon turned to months, I questioned him about where we were at. He once again stated there were reasons we broke up and he still thinks it was the right idea etc etc. Soon after that I started to avoid him because even a text from him sent my heart racing and my panic through the roof. I avoided him until finally I caved and went away for an overnight trip with him. On the way there I had a horrible panic attack in the car, I had to get away from him. We had to turn the car around. Soon after that, even laying in bed with him the next morning after a sleep over was too much, I had to jump out of bed and get space. I felt sick to my stomach, dizzy and I felt like I would jump out of my skin.
My therapist recommended this book to help explain my reaction to him: The Body Keeps the Score, by: Bessel Van Der Kolk.
It helps us understand how we store trauma in the body and how certain triggers activate those traumatic feelings causing a physiological response.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 1:15:24 GMT
Hi anxious, I have absolutely felt the same. When my FA ex broke up with me last April, I went NC to help myself and also I felt terrified of seeing him. During that time, I had trouble sleeping and had anxiety attacks. I needed to be around friends all of the time, I couldn't be alone. I read blogs on how to get over a bad break-up and then found as many forums as I could on the AP/FA dynamic so I could understand and move on. He reached out a number of times, just wanting a response it seemed. Eventually I did reach out and we saw each other after almost 2 months of NC. Initially it was great, we started to date again (although he would not call it that) and as the weeks soon turned to months, I questioned him about where we were at. He once again stated there were reasons we broke up and he still thinks it was the right idea etc etc. Soon after that I started to avoid him because even a text from him sent my heart racing and my panic through the roof. I avoided him until finally I caved and went away for an overnight trip with him. On the way there I had a horrible panic attack in the car, I had to get away from him. We had to turn the car around. Soon after that, even laying in bed with him the next morning after a sleep over was too much, I had to jump out of bed and get space. I felt sick to my stomach, dizzy and I felt like I would jump out of my skin. My therapist recommended this book to help explain my reaction to him: The Body Keeps the Score, by: Bessel Van Der Kolk. It helps us understand how we store trauma in the body and how certain triggers activate those traumatic feelings causing a physiological response. Thank you so much for replying and letting me know this is "normal"! my friends cannot understand what I mean by physically sick - I know that it is a reaction to a traumatic experience, but I'm not sure how to process it properly so that it doesn't leave behind more problems to deal with. How did you manage yours? I'm meeting my DA next week. so far, i've managed to recover emotionally by detaching from him though I'm still struggling with the physical fallout. I'm actually more concerned about my health right now, because I spent a long time battling physical illnesses, and no way i'm letting some dude undo all the work i've done the past 5 years!
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Post by kristyrose on Jan 17, 2018 1:33:54 GMT
So glad I can give you some insights!
For me, some of the things that helped besides going to my regular therapist, were the following:
1. I started EMDR with another therapist (i see 2 now) :http://www.emdr.com/what-is-emdr/
2. I ordered a Spire from Amazon:https://spire.io
3. I started walking every day for as long as I could to combat the anxiety and panic
4. I stopped demonizing my ex and started to better understand him as someone suffering just as much as me
5. I came on this forum!
6. I had already read Jeb's book over a year ago, but I revisited it and started to take more responsibility for my feelings
7. I kept a journal and also tracked days I felt calm on my calendar so that I could identify patterns
All of these things greatly helped! I also started positive/calm self talk to help erase the very abusive negative voice of my mother that has always been in my head. I am still a work in progress but these things have helped me tremendously!
I do want to ask, why are you meeting your DA at this point? Can you postpone? Your health is whats most important, so maybe now is not the right time. What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 3:00:50 GMT
So glad I can give you some insights! For me, some of the things that helped besides going to my regular therapist, were the following: 1. I started EMDR with another therapist (i see 2 now) :http://www.emdr.com/what-is-emdr/ 2. I ordered a Spire from Amazon:https://spire.io 3. I started walking every day for as long as I could to combat the anxiety and panic 4. I stopped demonizing my ex and started to better understand him as someone suffering just as much as me 5. I came on this forum! 6. I had already read Jeb's book over a year ago, but I revisited it and started to take more responsibility for my feelings 7. I kept a journal and also tracked days I felt calm on my calendar so that I could identify patterns All of these things greatly helped! I also started positive/calm self talk to help erase the very abusive negative voice of my mother that has always been in my head. I am still a work in progress but these things have helped me tremendously! I do want to ask, why are you meeting your DA at this point? Can you postpone? Your health is whats most important, so maybe now is not the right time. What do you think? Am going to check out the spire and therapy! is the spire any good? I haven't watched this but I saw this on another thread that seems useful: relationshipschool.net/podcast/how-to-feel-safe-in-your-relationship-bonnie-badenoch-sc-108/ I've been doing yoga for a while now, and I'm very much into body awareness. I think this has really helped me bring to surface these issues.. When i started seeing my DA, the voices in my head from my childhood became really really loud, so loud that I had to say it to get it out of my system. at some point I was having imaginary fights with my mum but I was verbalizing my thoughts out loud. I don't demonize my DA - I see him as the trigger for my issues that I've been ignoring. I believe that when we don't learn from our lessons, it'll just come back repeatedly, each time harsher than before. This time, it was so violent, I cannot ignore it anymore. So, I'm taking the approach that it is ok if we don't stay together - this is my lesson, and I will learn it. When the lesson is over, the relationship might be over too. It might be very sad but hey, always more fish in the sea. We're in a long distance now (I know. so cliched) and I'm relocating to another continent end of the month. this is his promised visit, which I'm taking it as the last time I'm seeing him. There's really no other time to see him, and I don't want to postpone it as it's just more waiting in anticipation and fear. If we meet and it is too stressful, I'll leave. At the end of the day, I do want to live my own life in full, and he's not really available (emotionally and practically) to participate with me in building a shared life. In any case, I can manage my neediness by working on my anxiety and issues, but I cannot ignore my unmet needs, and at this point, my needs are way more important!
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Post by kristyrose on Jan 17, 2018 19:08:55 GMT
The spire is very helpful in keeping me aware of my breathing patterns, my stress levels and it even tracks my exercise. You can sync it to your phone and keep track of places that trigger u even!
I will definitely check out that video, I've seen it mentioned on the forum a few times.
I would try out the spire and continue to do things that keep you feeling good before you see him. Maybe, and I know this can be very hard, but try to give your mind a "day off" from thinking of him. I do this with my ex. Right now he is a bit distant, so I'm using today to take a "day off" and when he comes into my mind, I promptly put him out and think of something else. Over time, it helps me relax more and refocus on my day. Don't know if that could help, but I find little mind tricks can often work for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 1:09:35 GMT
Cool - I'm thinking of getting the health tags, which only ships in march. Looks very promising.
I've started using this as a guided meditation to also help me sleep while processing any subconscious thoughts I might have (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfyNzqk2TMM). I fall asleep within 3 minutes of the video - I had the same experience when I was going through depression a couple of years ago, and had insomnia for 4 years. this really helps me to sleep and rest better, and therefore can get a handle on myself.
So, last night we had a video chat and he basically pushed me to talk about things that have been on my mind for a while (I leak cues all over). So I just went ahead and told him everything I think in a very calm and amused fashion (like I'd make fun of my anxious behavior and his avoidant ones). He took it all very well and we had a good discussion about things - we agreed we are willing to try to work things out and that we love each other and this connection is important to us. While it's all positive, strangely, I don't quite feel the same buzz anymore - which I think is very important in keeping my sanity in check and the issues of compatibility and long term goals in perspective (which i also point blank stated).
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Post by kristyrose on Jan 18, 2018 18:58:54 GMT
So, last night we had a video chat and he basically pushed me to talk about things that have been on my mind for a while (I leak cues all over). So I just went ahead and told him everything I think in a very calm and amused fashion (like I'd make fun of my anxious behavior and his avoidant ones). He took it all very well and we had a good discussion about things - we agreed we are willing to try to work things out and that we love each other and this connection is important to us. While it's all positive, strangely, I don't quite feel the same buzz anymore - which I think is very important in keeping my sanity in check and the issues of compatibility and long term goals in perspective (which i also point blank stated). This conversation sounds very promising! what do you mean by same buzz?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 1:46:10 GMT
I used to have a high after talking to him, feeling safe and happy. Maybe even validated that he took the time to call me. Now it's just feels like.. meh. still positive but much calmer and a lot more detached. I also observe more and more things that disturb me (e.g., pretending he forgot that he was not treating me well).
There is more clarity in my observations and thoughts now that I'm much less activated. I did this by detaching myself from him and from the relationship, own my own issues, and identify and respect my needs and values. I also clearly tell myself and refuse to chase the buzz of connecting with him, with a very clear goal of never being like this again as best as I can. There is an element of knocking him off the pedestal and really observing him for who he is - just another guy with issues, perhaps with good intentions but definitely not so good behavior at times.
Hope this helps those who have a similar experience!
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Post by kristyrose on Jan 19, 2018 18:14:25 GMT
I thought that's what you meant, but wanted to be sure. I understand that feeling exactly! I saw a text last night from my ex about hanging out saturday and that familiar buzz came on. Of course it all went south when I told him I am busy Saturday, can we do Friday and he said ok, but no sleepover. Sigh. This is one of his distancing strategies, so we are finally having a talk tonight about how I'm feeling. Now the buzz I have in my stomach is sheer nerves. :-(
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