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Post by gatorfan on Jan 23, 2018 7:29:40 GMT
But not answered specifically, and I think it would be a big help to me...
If you are being ghosted (as I am currently) it seems like this would be an indication that the avoidant isn’t over you, or at the very least there is a lot of emotion attached to you. If not, it seems like it would be easy to at least talk or be cordial. My ex is at least friendly with some of her other exes, and mentioned how this happened with her before with many of them and they became friends. I haven’t heard from her in months, despite not having an argument or unpleasant altercation that would have caused bad feelings. I haven’t reached out to her a lot, but when I have it would seem that a polite “thanks” would have been in order, but instead I got nothing. My friends think it is the height of rudeness, which it is. I can deal bc it does seem like this means there is at least some emotion there. Thoughts?
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Post by fatalcharm on Jan 23, 2018 17:44:58 GMT
It could be... OR she might've decided she doesn't want anything to do with you. You can't read her mind and you'll only drive yourself crazy trying to figure out what she's thinking. If you really want to reconnect, send her a text/email telling her so and ask her to reply and let you know either way. If she doesn't reply at all assume she's moved on and work on doing the same.
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Post by gatorfan on Jan 23, 2018 19:29:49 GMT
I hear what you’re saying, but that doesn’t seem to take into account the fact that they’re avoidant. There are tons and tons of examples on this site where an avoidant ex was triggered and left and came back. Your advice would be perfect if my ex was normal, but the fact that they think that ghosting is an appropriate response in this situation is proof that their thinking is off.
Ghosting isn’t a neutral thing. It’s just a way for the avoidant to get whaf they want (not having to deal with something painful or unpleasant) at the expense of everyone else. I’ve had an ex refuse to deal with something that was so painful for me that it literally put me in the hospital. It would have taken a five minute conversation to clear up, but they refused. I had to pin them down and force them to talk about it, and in a few minutes it was cleared up. Granted, they liedbthrough their teeth to avoid responsibility, but the point was that they were so weak and selfish that they let me become physically ill rather than have a brief conversation.
From your statement, if she has decided she doesn’t want to deal with me at all, then my question is still cogent. Since there wasn’t any reason to not speak to me, and in fact she did for a few months after the breakup, then the only reason she would be ghosting me now is if talking to me triggers her avoidant tendencies, which would mean there is still some emotion there.
On the other hand, if she has “moved on”, then talking to me wouldn’t be a big deal. I’m not sure how well you read my post, but she isn’t even responding to things that would only require a civil and polite thanks. I haven’t overwhelmed her with communication. She has gotten plenty of space, to the tune of 2 texts in 8 months. IF she had moved on, then why wouldn’t she respond? It would mean nothing to her. Instead, she is ignoring polite communication and really looks rude and inconsiderate to anyone who knows what is going on. I’m not sure how anyone would see this as an appropriate response.
So again, your advice would make a lot of sense if we took the avoidant factor out it. But then again, if that wasn’t cogent, then she wouldn’t be ghosting me in the first place.
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Post by yasmin on Jan 23, 2018 22:11:50 GMT
My ex FA ended pretty much every relationship by ghosting. He didn't do it because he liked them so much, but just because he preferred to "avoid" difficult conversations and thought it was easier to disappear. So what I mean is that all breakups are kind of unpleasant! It's very rude, for sure, not to reply to a polite text (even from an ex) but some people do this and it isn't because they still have feelings. It's kind of more cowardly I think.
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Post by gatorfan on Jan 24, 2018 0:11:40 GMT
I agree 100% that it’s cowardly, but I do want to make a distinction. There is a difference between “having feelings for someone” and “having emotion attached to someone.” The former implies that they are ghosting bc they still have romantic feelings, and I have no doubt this does happen. Some people make a decision, and decide they are standing by it, right or wrong.
However, that is a distinction from emotion. If your ex didn’t have some emotion attached to the person, then he would have no reason to ghost. It is negative emotion for the time being, but clearly you don’t ghost on people if talking to them presents no negativity for you.
I think this is a valuable thought because a lot of us feel very discarded and unimportant when one of our exes ghosts on us. I mean, ghosting is completely denying your existence. It is what you do to someone who is threatening or violent. It is not what you do to someone whose caring about you makes you uncomfortable.
It has given me some comfort to think of it that way. She’s not talking to me, and that hurts, but that must mean that the idea of talking to me hurts her too, and that means I’m NOT disposable and unimportant. It means I meant something to them and they can’t handle it, so they’re using a cruel defense mechanism to hide behind.
Also, I’ve never actually met anyone, avoidant or not, who gets Over their feelings for someone and is able to just discard them and “move on”, as an earlier poster suggested. In my experience, if a relationship didn’t end badly, your ex will almost inevitably have some warm feelings for you and will probably at least consider getting back together. I’ve never dated a dismissive avoidant, and that seems to be their thing, but generally people aren’t that callous.
Anyway, I do appreciate your feedback, and I get why everyone seems to be urging me away from this idea. I get how it seems like I’m desperately waiting and hoping my ex will come back. I assure you I’m not. I’ve dated a lot since the breakup, I guarantee more than she has, and I’ve improved myself and done what I can to move on. I realize that I do still have unresolved feelings, though, and part of it is being made to feel worthless. This train of thought hells me to negate that and make me feel better about myself. I won’t lie and say that I don’t want her to come back, but I don’t have all my eggs in that basket. I do need to deal with it, in some way, and I’m working on what that should be. But for now, being able to think that being ignored means I’m not just some loser to her, but that she can’t deal with what went down so she falls back on her old familiar train of avoidance, makes me feel a bit better, and I honestly don’t think the logic is flawed.
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Post by fatalcharm on Jan 24, 2018 1:46:20 GMT
Gatorfan, Dude, I'm in a similar situation and have struggled with the same thoughts as you. I'm not saying she doesn't have feelings for you, I'm saying she might have decided to move on. She might have convinced herself that she can't give you what you want. That's the thing about FA's - They avoid, supress and RUN FROM feelings, so their actions seem counterintuitive and don't make sense to us. I'm currently struggling with the temptation to reach out to mine... Been NC for 3 months after I told her that she has to choose between being "all in" or "all out". I go between "she's simply not capable" and "maybe I gave up too soon". Bottom line, it's up to them to be motivated enough to commit to working on their attachment issues, otherwise nothing we do will make a difference.
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Post by tnr9 on Jan 24, 2018 2:07:05 GMT
I am not an FA so you may not like to hear what I have to say either....but in the end...does it truly matter "why" she ghosted you? I mean, I get it...I have gone down that winding staircase of thought a thousand times with my ex regarding our breakup. I think for you, whatever gives you peace...go with that. Because....her ghosting you has absolutely nothing to do with your worthiness or desirability. It is about her and her limitations. I hope you get the answers you seek.
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