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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 14:23:58 GMT
just kidding. but here is how it goes for me: i feel something happening in my body- maybe a tightness in my throat, a stab in my chest, a stone in my belly.
i think and think and think and distract and distract and distract , and when all else fails i turn to my faithful friend , anger.
Anger always knows when to jump in and give reinforcement, knock those feelings down. Good old anger.
Anger never knows when to stop and always turn on me tho. I've had to question my relationship and dependence on anger to save the day. anger hurts and has no bounds. I am kind of sick of anger.
So i sit. Give in. Ask my throat, my heart, my belly, my ice cold hands.... what happened? Why are you hurting this way?
I cannot believe how articulate my feelings are once i give them a voice! They know just what happened. I don't judge it, because by now, they have shown me that they are what they are and they feel what they feel and there is always insight behind them.
I ask them what they need, they always are able to say. It's usually along the lines of forgiveness for me, understanding of me, compassion for me, protection of me, wisdom to see me as i really am.
Of course, i have to pay attention to me. All of my external interactions come from the base of how i see me.
So, i am finding that while it is really difficult to sit, to sit, to be vulnerable to the deep deep pain, it always has a gift to give to me. It's like the physical ache and the tears and the hard words are the wrapping of what's really there for me. Some insight, a softening, a forgiveness. That's what the gifts are.
Thanks for listening. So many feelings.
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Post by alpenglow on Feb 24, 2018 15:32:07 GMT
This experience seems so subjective that it is difficult to imagine what it feels like (probably because I haven't experienced it?). Do these feelings tell you why you felt this anger in the first place?
I can at least understand that such emotional reactions indicate inner turmoil, and that what we need the most is self-compassion in order to accept the pain and soothe it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 15:59:09 GMT
This experience seems so subjective that it is difficult to imagine what it feels like (probably because I haven't experienced it?). Do these feelings tell you why you felt this anger in the first place? I can at least understand that such emotional reactions indicate inner turmoil, and that what we need the most is self-compassion in order to accept the pain and soothe it. it's a process not unlike anyone's when it comes to uncovering their inner wounds, and it is the process of gaining insight into all the things that have imprisoned me. and yes, anger, to me, is fear with a fist and it defends against vulnerability. so, this is just a peek in to how my feelings arise for me and how i address them. apparently it works because i am a long way from where i came from!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 16:00:47 GMT
when i read on Jeb's site that feelings for dismissives manifest as physical sensations first i recognized myself immediately. it's always been this way. i have to figure it out after my body gets my attention.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 16:16:17 GMT
This experience seems so subjective that it is difficult to imagine what it feels like (probably because I haven't experienced it?). Do these feelings tell you why you felt this anger in the first place? I can at least understand that such emotional reactions indicate inner turmoil, and that what we need the most is self-compassion in order to accept the pain and soothe it. the anger is what's i feel as the result of narcissistic abuse from infancy. i uncover layers as i go.
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Post by goldilocks on Feb 24, 2018 17:37:02 GMT
For what it's worth I've experienced similar. Whenever I discover new emotional areas in myself, I am overcome... These has been a lot of anger some years back but now it is mostly sadness and grief and compassion with my child self.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 17:43:01 GMT
For what it's worth I've experienced similar. Whenever I discover new emotional areas in myself, I am overcome... These has been a lot of anger some years back but now it is mostly sadness and grief and compassion with my child self. i don't view this as a negative process at all. it's just a process. i recently have been facing continued hardship that impacts my life today, for narcissistic abuse that occurred years ago. it's still has a material impact on me, and sometimes my frustration and anger is toward myself, for allowing it. but i couldn't do better, at the time. i have to remember that the ways i coped in that relationship were conditioned a long time ago, subconscious stuff. it helps me to realize my love for myself. it's always there,but sometimes i feel worn out from long term consequences and i just want to fight something, someone , to make it stop. so i sit. and eventually find peace again. i don't have much of an issue with current events, it's the old stuff that still takes slices out of me, and impacts my daily logistics. narcissistic abuse can have very deep consequences. but that's the way it goes, i can handle it.
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Post by scheme00 on Feb 24, 2018 17:51:40 GMT
Wow thanks for describing this, I remember this part in Jebs book and it fascinated me. The visceral body’s reaction and how you can be concioussly unaware at the same time. Good you are are of what is happening to process the feelings that lie underneath.
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Post by goldilocks on Feb 24, 2018 17:58:47 GMT
Perhaps the fact that old stuff is coming up means you are ready to deal with it. While you were facing abuse, it was probably a struggle to survive and no energy was left to process the feeling.
Self love is very beautiful :-)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 18:04:54 GMT
Perhaps the fact that old stuff is coming up means you are ready to deal with it. While you were facing abuse, it was probably a struggle to survive and no energy was left to process the feeling. Self love is very beautiful :-) this is exactly it . when i was being abused so badly, it was pure survival. i was careful to not let my abuser dictate how i would respond- i maintained composure the best i could and tried to be stoic because i had no help. the impact remains, in a tangible way. i realized, i have an ache in my throat from swallowing it all. i prevailed in court because i was dignified and truthful. i was not given to raw emotion, i articulated my case in a way that inspired the ruling judge to commend me for my composure and clarity. inside, i needed to SCREAM AND CRY i am in a safe place to recognize the pain that lingers and now i have no one to placate, not the abuser, not an attorney, not a judge.... sometimes i i need to scream and cry and i do that because i need to, and i care about my need to, and it makes me love myself even more when i learn how to protect myself better for my future.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 18:07:22 GMT
Wow thanks for describing this, I remember this part in Jebs book and it fascinated me. The visceral body’s reaction and how you can be concioussly unaware at the same time. Good you are are of what is happening to process the feelings that lie underneath. i am touched that you can honor this for me this way, scheme. i was fascinated when i read it too, but from the flip side. he identified something in me that i thought was common to all people. i have not known there is another way to experience feelings. i thought we all did it this way. even still, i am fascinated that it is fascinating to others but i simply love the fact that we can all share our insides and compare notes. thank you
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 18:22:38 GMT
imagine having to be calm cool and collected while you narrate yourself being skinned and turned inside out. its that painful, but you have to stay calm and collected because you can't go breaking down, someone will jump you. don't believe it? walk a mile in my shoes. i was formed this way when i was too small to know otherwise.
avoidants cap feelings because they HAVE TO. to survive.
i just want someone to understand me. thank you to those who do, it helps me heal.
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Post by mrob on Feb 24, 2018 18:35:29 GMT
Gee. That’s powerful. It’s one of the ways I got through school, and when I started my apprenticeship,- a kind tradesman could see that I wasn’t coping and said I had to grow a thick skin! I made sure from that point nobody ever saw anything again. Thing is, I lost it, too
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 18:37:06 GMT
Gee. That’s powerful. It’s one of the ways I got through school, and when I started my apprenticeship,- a kind tradesman could see that I wasn’t coping and said I had to grow a thick skin! I made sure from that point nobody ever saw anything again. Thing is, I lost it, too (((( mrob)))) i feel you brother
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Post by goldilocks on Feb 24, 2018 18:43:06 GMT
imagine having to be calm cool and collected while you narrate yourself being skinned and turned inside out. its that painful, but you have to stay calm and collected because you can't go breaking down, someone will jump you. don't believe it? walk a mile in my shoes. i was formed this way when i was too small to know otherwise. avoidants cap feelings because they HAVE TO. to survive. i just want someone to understand me. thank you to those who do, it helps me heal. This. We learned to hide our feelings because showing them could harm us once. We learned to reject closeness because the closeness that was offered was poisoned. We learned to trust no one because trusting could have meant death. It's heartbreaking when a child has to do this to survive. It's heartbreaking to realise I was this child. But here we are, living, healing.
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