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Post by pinkrose22 on Mar 25, 2018 18:02:35 GMT
This may be long.
I’ve just ended a relationship with someone I think is avoidant having read up on a lot online. Not entirely sure however if this person was fearful or distant, but I would guess more on the fearful side.
I genuinely thought I had found the person I was going to spend the rest of my life with at first. We clicked and got on better than I had done with any previous partner - so much in common, similar values, an insane attraction/chemistry that I’d never felt before. He pursued me incredibly strongly at first - was incredibly romantic, complimented me, made me feel so special. It was around 2 months in however that I got a gut feeling that something was wrong - it wasn’t glaringly obvious, so I tried to ignore it. But I thought it was odd that we had been dating for a while and were still only seeing each other once a week, and hadn’t yet become an “official” couple like in previous relationships I’ve had.
It was then that I started to become anxious, although having taken an online test I am apparently a secure (I decided to do this to see what my attachment style was, as I read that Avoidants often go for anxious and vice versa). Whilst I wasn’t anxious to begin with and haven’t been in previous relationships without good reason (someone cheated on me before and hid it, I knew something was up), this person started to make me feel less than from his actions and hot/cold behaviour eg cancelling at the last minute, inviting me to meet his friends then saying that plans had changed, hanging out with exes (and even going on what seemed to me like dates with them, although this was denied). I decided to break things off as it didn’t seem right but the moment I did, he came back around and begged me to be his girlfriend, and told me he was in love with me. Thinking he was just being a typical man, I said yes.
5 months on, he again distances himself and refuses to see me. I break up with him again, even though by this point I am completely besotted and in love. He then comes back again, saying how miserable he has been without me, and how he realises he hasn’t been treating me like I deserve. We get back together although in between I saw others. Then, 3 months later, he breaks up with me saying that I could never compare to “the one that got away”, and goes on this awful tirade about all my faults and how terrible I am. Immediately after this outburst he cried, knowing he had caused irreparable damage. The dance continued for one last time after he begged me back, after saying I’m the One, inviting me to move in with him and 3 weeks later said “I still have feelings for you, but I’m not sure if it’s working out. I don’t like it when you’re in my space.” Needless to say I am now incredibly angry. He had said he wanted to eventually get a house together and have children too - nothing that I had forced him to say. I am however more angry at myself for believing the fantasy that this person clearly could not give to me.
The day we broke up for good, I packed up all my things and told him to never speak to me again. He looked as if he was in physical pain, with tears again, but by this point it was too late. I wondered what had happened to the man who 3 months previously had begged me to come back. The worst thing was he couldn’t even see how much he was upsetting me, and couldn’t understand why I was crying, saying I was “overreacting and clingy” and that he had never been with someone that reacted in this anxious way. He couldn’t tell me he loved me (although he rarely did without prompting, now he couldn’t even say it back). I have now gone 2 weeks no contact and whilst it is hard, I know it’s what I need to do. He didn’t even seem to care when we broke up so I doubt I will be hearing from him this time. He told me “I’m not going to fight for you. I can’t tell you what you want to hear.”
He has told me that he hasn’t been as close to another person since his ex girlfriend (they broke up 7 years ago) and that it’s very hard for him to open up to people. I tried to be as patient as possible, but it got to the point where my self esteem could no longer take the push/pull behaviours. It was as if every time I got close, he got so anxious that he had to end it. Our sex life had also dwindled to nothing, which is also something I’d never experienced, and he said this had happened in other relationships and others got annoyed at him for it.
I feel like I’ve gone insane by being in this relationship. How do you recover from a relationship like this? All I wanted was to feel appreciated and supported, and I now feel like I’ve gone through acute emotional abuse... of course from his end, it’s all my fault (there was a million reasons why we weren’t going to work out from his perspective, but it was like he was just trying to find excuses).
Any advice much appreciated.
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Post by em on Apr 2, 2018 18:23:34 GMT
Well you are not in this alone. My ex also said something along the lines of how no other girl he had been with liked him as much as I did and placed a lot of blame on me for what I did to make the relationship work. It has been one year since we have spoken, and let me tell you, it still hurts a lot some days. But you have to completely pull away from this. If he said he is not going to fight for you, then let him give up and go on your way. You are going to hurt whether you stay with him or leave. You might as well leave (like you already have) because at least you can stop the incoming new pains and just deal with the stuff you already have.
Like I said, I am a year with no contact at this point. I feel intense pain a few times a week or sometimes no pain at all over the situation. But it's better than sticking around and dealing with new issues. This is going to be really hard for you. It was gut wrenching for me at times, but it does get better. It just takes a lot of time. What has helped me the most is coming to this forum and meeting new people. Please don't stop visiting this forum, because there may be times when you want to move backwards, but this site will help keep you moving forward.
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Post by nic on Apr 7, 2018 12:40:01 GMT
This may be long. I’ve just ended a relationship with someone I think is avoidant having read up on a lot online. Not entirely sure however if this person was fearful or distant, but I would guess more on the fearful side. I genuinely thought I had found the person I was going to spend the rest of my life with at first. We clicked and got on better than I had done with any previous partner - so much in common, similar values, an insane attraction/chemistry that I’d never felt before. He pursued me incredibly strongly at first - was incredibly romantic, complimented me, made me feel so special. It was around 2 months in however that I got a gut feeling that something was wrong - it wasn’t glaringly obvious, so I tried to ignore it. But I thought it was odd that we had been dating for a while and were still only seeing each other once a week, and hadn’t yet become an “official” couple like in previous relationships I’ve had. It was then that I started to become anxious, although having taken an online test I am apparently a secure (I decided to do this to see what my attachment style was, as I read that Avoidants often go for anxious and vice versa). Whilst I wasn’t anxious to begin with and haven’t been in previous relationships without good reason (someone cheated on me before and hid it, I knew something was up), this person started to make me feel less than from his actions and hot/cold behaviour eg cancelling at the last minute, inviting me to meet his friends then saying that plans had changed, hanging out with exes (and even going on what seemed to me like dates with them, although this was denied). I decided to break things off as it didn’t seem right but the moment I did, he came back around and begged me to be his girlfriend, and told me he was in love with me. Thinking he was just being a typical man, I said yes. 5 months on, he again distances himself and refuses to see me. I break up with him again, even though by this point I am completely besotted and in love. He then comes back again, saying how miserable he has been without me, and how he realises he hasn’t been treating me like I deserve. We get back together although in between I saw others. Then, 3 months later, he breaks up with me saying that I could never compare to “the one that got away”, and goes on this awful tirade about all my faults and how terrible I am. Immediately after this outburst he cried, knowing he had caused irreparable damage. The dance continued for one last time after he begged me back, after saying I’m the One, inviting me to move in with him and 3 weeks later said “I still have feelings for you, but I’m not sure if it’s working out. I don’t like it when you’re in my space.” Needless to say I am now incredibly angry. He had said he wanted to eventually get a house together and have children too - nothing that I had forced him to say. I am however more angry at myself for believing the fantasy that this person clearly could not give to me. The day we broke up for good, I packed up all my things and told him to never speak to me again. He looked as if he was in physical pain, with tears again, but by this point it was too late. I wondered what had happened to the man who 3 months previously had begged me to come back. The worst thing was he couldn’t even see how much he was upsetting me, and couldn’t understand why I was crying, saying I was “overreacting and clingy” and that he had never been with someone that reacted in this anxious way. He couldn’t tell me he loved me (although he rarely did without prompting, now he couldn’t even say it back). I have now gone 2 weeks no contact and whilst it is hard, I know it’s what I need to do. He didn’t even seem to care when we broke up so I doubt I will be hearing from him this time. He told me “I’m not going to fight for you. I can’t tell you what you want to hear.” He has told me that he hasn’t been as close to another person since his ex girlfriend (they broke up 7 years ago) and that it’s very hard for him to open up to people. I tried to be as patient as possible, but it got to the point where my self esteem could no longer take the push/pull behaviours. It was as if every time I got close, he got so anxious that he had to end it. Our sex life had also dwindled to nothing, which is also something I’d never experienced, and he said this had happened in other relationships and others got annoyed at him for it. I feel like I’ve gone insane by being in this relationship. How do you recover from a relationship like this? All I wanted was to feel appreciated and supported, and I now feel like I’ve gone through acute emotional abuse... of course from his end, it’s all my fault (there was a million reasons why we weren’t going to work out from his perspective, but it was like he was just trying to find excuses). Any advice much appreciated. I'm sorry for your pain. It's so crazy making these unbalanced relationships. You've come to the right place though. Everybody here seems to get it and has been through these entanglements and played various roles in their story. Some of the stuff I put up with and accepted I don't even feel comfortable telling the people im closest to. So here is a great sounding board and outlet. I'm one week no contact for a very similar situation. The break ups the push pull the :I want you to be my wife" to the "i just need to be single forever", the I want yous, wait no I don'ts. The chasing the running. The distancing, the loneliness, the constant state of anxiousness. The wanting it to end but not wanting it to end. Very conflicting feelings! Remember a time when you were at peace. It may have been slightly boring or maybe not.. but it felt safe and it felt comfortable and good. Try to go back there. That's where I am heading.
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Post by mollym on Apr 26, 2018 8:56:19 GMT
Hi ponkyrose22, I was only 6 weeks into a relationship with what I now believe to be an FA. Your guy sounds very similar to mine. I am so glad you posted this because it gives me an understanding of what I would have been in for if I had relented and continued on with the relation$%!t. I have never gone back to an ex or to be honest ever stayed friends with one. I would say hello if I met them, make a brief comment about the weather and move on. Life is too short for nonsense and we all deserve peace and happiness. I feel a great deal of compassion for my ex and all Avoidants but I wouldn't get involved with one again on a romantic level. Hope things are getting easier for you I know it is cliche but time is a great healer.
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Post by yasmin on Apr 26, 2018 14:36:47 GMT
Thus guy sounds like a narcissist
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Post by mrob on Apr 26, 2018 14:48:52 GMT
I dragged two secure women through almost this. One is now with a secure man and is calm. The other is in her own and is quite happy. It is possible to return from whence you came. Good luck!
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Post by nandakumar on Apr 26, 2018 20:08:16 GMT
Hi , you educate your self about attachment style , it will help you to know how to handle properly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 16:04:01 GMT
This may be long. I’ve just ended a relationship with someone I think is avoidant having read up on a lot online. Not entirely sure however if this person was fearful or distant, but I would guess more on the fearful side. I genuinely thought I had found the person I was going to spend the rest of my life with at first. We clicked and got on better than I had done with any previous partner - so much in common, similar values, an insane attraction/chemistry that I’d never felt before. He pursued me incredibly strongly at first - was incredibly romantic, complimented me, made me feel so special. It was around 2 months in however that I got a gut feeling that something was wrong - it wasn’t glaringly obvious, so I tried to ignore it. But I thought it was odd that we had been dating for a while and were still only seeing each other once a week, and hadn’t yet become an “official” couple like in previous relationships I’ve had. It was then that I started to become anxious, although having taken an online test I am apparently a secure (I decided to do this to see what my attachment style was, as I read that Avoidants often go for anxious and vice versa). Whilst I wasn’t anxious to begin with and haven’t been in previous relationships without good reason (someone cheated on me before and hid it, I knew something was up), this person started to make me feel less than from his actions and hot/cold behaviour eg cancelling at the last minute, inviting me to meet his friends then saying that plans had changed, hanging out with exes (and even going on what seemed to me like dates with them, although this was denied). I decided to break things off as it didn’t seem right but the moment I did, he came back around and begged me to be his girlfriend, and told me he was in love with me. Thinking he was just being a typical man, I said yes. 5 months on, he again distances himself and refuses to see me. I break up with him again, even though by this point I am completely besotted and in love. He then comes back again, saying how miserable he has been without me, and how he realises he hasn’t been treating me like I deserve. We get back together although in between I saw others. Then, 3 months later, he breaks up with me saying that I could never compare to “the one that got away”, and goes on this awful tirade about all my faults and how terrible I am. Immediately after this outburst he cried, knowing he had caused irreparable damage. The dance continued for one last time after he begged me back, after saying I’m the One, inviting me to move in with him and 3 weeks later said “I still have feelings for you, but I’m not sure if it’s working out. I don’t like it when you’re in my space.” Needless to say I am now incredibly angry. He had said he wanted to eventually get a house together and have children too - nothing that I had forced him to say. I am however more angry at myself for believing the fantasy that this person clearly could not give to me. The day we broke up for good, I packed up all my things and told him to never speak to me again. He looked as if he was in physical pain, with tears again, but by this point it was too late. I wondered what had happened to the man who 3 months previously had begged me to come back. The worst thing was he couldn’t even see how much he was upsetting me, and couldn’t understand why I was crying, saying I was “overreacting and clingy” and that he had never been with someone that reacted in this anxious way. He couldn’t tell me he loved me (although he rarely did without prompting, now he couldn’t even say it back). I have now gone 2 weeks no contact and whilst it is hard, I know it’s what I need to do. He didn’t even seem to care when we broke up so I doubt I will be hearing from him this time. He told me “I’m not going to fight for you. I can’t tell you what you want to hear.” He has told me that he hasn’t been as close to another person since his ex girlfriend (they broke up 7 years ago) and that it’s very hard for him to open up to people. I tried to be as patient as possible, but it got to the point where my self esteem could no longer take the push/pull behaviours. It was as if every time I got close, he got so anxious that he had to end it. Our sex life had also dwindled to nothing, which is also something I’d never experienced, and he said this had happened in other relationships and others got annoyed at him for it. I feel like I’ve gone insane by being in this relationship. How do you recover from a relationship like this? All I wanted was to feel appreciated and supported, and I now feel like I’ve gone through acute emotional abuse... of course from his end, it’s all my fault (there was a million reasons why we weren’t going to work out from his perspective, but it was like he was just trying to find excuses). Any advice much appreciated. Reading this post made me breakdown and cry, as I truly understand your intense pain. I have just gone thru a very similar situation and I am left feeling emotionally abused too. I was married to an functioning alcoholic for 28yrs and lost him to cancer 18mths ago. Nothing he did over the years has left me feeling so lost and confused as the last 6mths ispent with my ex FA. The odd thing is I wasnt the one to leave even though I knew it was making me ill. I had never even heard off attachments before I started looking for some answers to why a person would behave in such a way. That search eventually led me to this forum which I have found immensely helpful but very scared at the same time, as now I have a better understanding off these attachments there isn't any hope for change. My heart truly goes out to you 😥 Do you seriously believe there is no hope for you to change your dysfunctional relationship habits that have you in long term dysfunction with first an alcoholic and then another person as insecurely attached as yourself? or is it change in other people you are hopeless about?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 16:27:51 GMT
Helsbells i guess what i really want to say to you is that while i understand your pessimism as someone who has involved yourself with unhealthy partners and suffered greatly for it., i also find it very disrespectful and ignorant of you to suggest on a forum of people working on their attachment injuries, to suggest that there is no hope for change. there are people healing and growing and becoming more secure and emotionally available, content, and wise. so- maybe you don't have hope for your ex to change. but please be mindful that you are participating on a board of attachment injured people who ARE HEALING. You can post what you like, but will probably get feedback.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 19:35:36 GMT
Helsbells i guess what i really want to say to you is that while i understand your pessimism as someone who has involved yourself with unhealthy partners and suffered greatly for it., i also find it very disrespectful and ignorant of you to suggest on a forum of people working on their attachment injuries, to suggest that there is no hope for change. there are people healing and growing and becoming more secure and emotionally available, content, and wise. so- maybe you don't have hope for your ex to change. but please be mindful that you are participating on a board of attachment injured people who ARE HEALING. You can post what you like, but will probably get feedback. I am truly sorry and ment no offence to anyone. For myself I am in therapy and doing as much work on myself. I tried to ask my ex was it possible for him to talk a bit more about what he means when he says I have issues. He would just shrug it off and say " just issues", and change the subject. I respected him very much and wouldn't push it any more. When my ex had physical illnesses and I tried to offer support and help, he would take nothing I said on board but would just moan for days on end without helping himself or taking up and help i offered, very frustrating. I do realize we can only work on ourselves and hope for changes. My gut tells me my ex will just carry on doing what he's always done and getting the same results. i understand, and i get your frustration. but in all reality, he has the freedom to be who and what he chooses. if you know he chooses not to do things in order to please you, that's a perfect reason to take the focus off of him and what he did or didn't do. sure it's painful. but ultimately, your big problem is what YOU did or didn't do for yourself while focusing on him. nobody is obliged to "change" to suit another person. but you certainly can "change" and heal to suit yourself and do better going forward. i know you are hurting but you can also heal. ❤️ the healthiest people here are not playing victim to someone else, they are turning their focus inward to heal their own wounds and create their own personal growth. so, after reading several posts of yours that tend to focus on what he did, i kind of felt like responding to your negative prognosis for insecurely attached individuals. your ex is not representative of anyone but him. so i am glad to know you are seeking help and healing for yourself, and appreciate the opportunity to hash this out with you. onward and upward, we all have our own journeys and hopefully we can all support each other in the best way we know how, with our experience, strength, and hope. ❤️
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 22:36:25 GMT
Helsbells you are so right- you have suffered enough. but there is every reason to keep looking forward, learn from the past but don't stay there, enough is enough and it cannot be changed now. Many of us lost much of our lives to the wounding we suffered while young. The ways we learned to survive, became our prison later. But there is a way out! This isn't so much about changing to become better. It's about healing to become whole. Healing to become free, peaceful, and open to the love that IS. we stop trying to look for love where it isn't, once we find it in ourselves and recognize it where it really is- in the people working right along side us instead of against us. So, i'm glad you're here. I'm glad I'm here. it's good. 🌸
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 13:02:28 GMT
Helsbells, yes, please have hope. Keep it alive and water it with your sincere effort toward understanding why you hurt, and what you truly need to heal. It goes way, way back, this pain is like an inheritance, it didn't start with something you did wrong, it isn't a fundamental flaw in you that you need to fix. It's just that something you needed when you were small and vulnerable, wasn't available to you, and you've had to make do without for a long, long time. It's sad to do without the love, care, and tenderness that you need, so there will be grieving to do around that. I have found that when I was able to open my heart to the sadness of a little girl (me) who was neglected and abused, a great compassion arose in me that enabled me to have courage to begin to listen to her painful story instead of turning away. Everyone had always turned away from her, but i vowed not to do that any more. There is an instinct to love, understand, protect and provide for little children. The instinct in our parents may have been dismantled by abuse and neglect in their own families. That certainly was the case in mine, both of my parents had to find a way to survive environments that were extremely dangerous and destructive to them when they were tiny and helpless. The pattern continued with me. But there's an evolution of awareness in us humans, it seems like life itself is always looking for ways to help us heal. It used to be that abuse and neglect and shame were not spoken about, the whole tragic legacy in my family has been perpetuated for as far back as our genealogy has been traced. But we are now living in a time that the dialog has begun, the questions are being asked. People are finding the answers together. Where does it hurt, and how can i help? These are questions we are asking each other, and need to also ask ourselves. There is a growing collective enlightenment into what has happened to us, and how to heal. We are fortunate to be living in such a time!! A tremendous process for me has been working with my inner child. She's there, she's always been there. She has only been taken care of in the last few years, and she's doing good now. I urge you, if you haven't already, to make contact with the girl inside of you who needs someone to listen and understand and help her. You can do that for her, and there are lots of wise people around who have made that journey who can help and guide you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 12:37:05 GMT
i understand, and o get your frustration. but in all reality, he has the freedom to be who and what he chooses. if you know he chooses not to do things in order to please you, that's a perfect reason to take the focus off of him and what he did or didn't do. sure it's painful. but ultimately, your big problem is what YOU did or didn't do for yourself while focusing on him. nobody is obliged to "change" to suit another person. but you certainly can "change" and heal to suit yourself and do better going forward. o know you are hurting but you can also heal. ❤️ the healthiest people here are not playing victim to someone else, they are turning their focus inward to heal their own wounds and create their own personal growth. so, after reading several posts of yours that tend to focus on what he did, i kind of felt like responding to your negative prognosis for securely attached individuals. your ex is not representative of anyone but him. so i am glad to know you are seeking help and healing for yourself, and appreciate the opportunity to hash this out with you. onward and upward, we all have our own journeys and hopefully we can all support each other in the best way we know how, with our experience, strength, and hope. ❤️ Thank you for your kindness and I totally agree with all you have said. Being AP has taken enough of my life and I truly want to reach out and get the help and support I need. I get so stuck in my obsessing I am hurting myself badly. I really appreciate your honesty and have learnt alot from reading your threads. Your doing amazing ❤️ ocarina
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 13:22:58 GMT
Helsbells you are so right- you have suffered enough. but there is every reason to keep looking forward, learn from the past but don't stay there, enough is enough and it cannot be changed now. Many of us lost much of our lives to the wounding we suffered while young. The ways we learned to survive, became our prison later. But there is a way out! This isn't so much about changing to become better. It's about healing to become whole. Healing to become free, peaceful, and open to the love that IS. we stop trying to look for love where it isn't, once we find it in ourselves and recognize it where it really is- in the people working right along side us instead of against us. So, i'm glad you're here. I'm glad I'm here. it's good. 🌸 Juniper, you have amazing insight and your posts fill me with such hope 😊. It's like the scales are starting to fall from eyes and now I see that what I need to feel whole, can not be found in another I have to find it in myself. And you have helped me see that. I am glad I'm here, and so glad your here too. I am in Cornwall England, and sending you love where ever you are ❤️❤️ ocarina do these threads not matter to you? they matter to the people i am giving my perspective to. thats what matters to me, your opinion is just like everyone else's on here. the person i am responding to is the person i have in mind and i will continue offering my authentic voice.
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