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Post by goldilocks on Apr 2, 2018 20:39:13 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQZLdO19XiUI found this concept to very much clarify an area of improvement for me. Being more generous in my interpretation of someone´s behaviour or opinions is a remedy for a whole set of deactivating thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 0:56:25 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQZLdO19XiUI found this concept to very much clarify an area of improvement for me. Being more generous in my interpretation of someone´s behaviour or opinions is a remedy for a whole set of deactivating thoughts. this has been a huge leap forward for me in my current relationship. Healing some things inside myself came first, and then the ability to be gracious and understanding of him came second. Very liberating and also makes me able to support and care for him the way i want to instead of so inconsistently. it makes me a better friend to him. The improvement came earlier in my other relationships... took longer in the romantic arena no doubt because of how this type of dynamic triggers historical stuff.
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 3, 2018 17:04:22 GMT
Romantic relationships seem like a higher difficulty level than friendships to me. We tend to expect less from friendships and have a looser template of them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 17:08:31 GMT
When I recently broke no contact with my last partner to have a final compassionate closure conversation, he mentioned how he was sure that I would think things over and talk to him again and that he knew I was being rash when I walked away. I felt dumbstruck. I spent the month wondering if he had felt any guilt, and he had spent the month wondering when I was going to calm down. It was an interesting and defining moment for me in our relationship - I realised that during n/c both of us were only blaming each other the entire time, and both hoping for and expecting the other to crawl back feeling sorry for their behaviour. I felt really self righteous about being owed an apology for how he last spoke to me and how he treated me, and he was clearly feeling that I was majorly overreacting and would surely calm down at some point and realise I was being over-the-top, and come back as normal feeling embarrassed of myself.
It's interesting how easy it is to accept your own frame of reference as the truth-est truth - and to not be generous enough to understand all of the angles of the truth that we're blind to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 17:18:46 GMT
When I recently broke no contact with my last partner to have a final compassionate closure conversation, he mentioned how he was sure that I would think things over and talk to him again and that he knew I was being rash when I walked away. I felt dumbstruck. I spent the month wondering if he had felt any guilt, and he had spent the month wondering when I was going to calm down. It was an interesting and defining moment for me in our relationship - I realised that during n/c both of us were only blaming each other the entire time, and both hoping for and expecting the other to crawl back feeling sorry for their behaviour. I felt really self righteous about being owed an apology for how he last spoke to me and how he treated me, and he was clearly feeling that I was majorly overreacting and would surely calm down at some point and realise I was being over-the-top, and come back as normal feeling embarrassed of myself. It's interesting how easy it is to accept your own frame of reference as the truth-est truth - and to not be generous enough to understand all of the angles of the truth that we're blind to. yes!!! when i broke up with my partner before the major changes set in, i had no intention of going back. i didn't think of him trying to reconcile, because he doesn't chase. I just wanted to work on myself. i did some deep work and came to a place of understanding and peace in myself, and it prompted such overwhelming compassion for him that i went to him to humbly ask his forgiveness for how i had hurt him in my own patterns and defensive ignorance. I wasn't trying to reconcile, i just didn't want to leave things the way i had left them. he apologized too, and we started talking with a new level of intimacy. it was so healing for both of us. and it has generated real trust. Knowing that someone sees the good in you even if they are hurt, means so much. it's so gentle.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 17:42:05 GMT
When I recently broke no contact with my last partner to have a final compassionate closure conversation, he mentioned how he was sure that I would think things over and talk to him again and that he knew I was being rash when I walked away. I felt dumbstruck. I spent the month wondering if he had felt any guilt, and he had spent the month wondering when I was going to calm down. It was an interesting and defining moment for me in our relationship - I realised that during n/c both of us were only blaming each other the entire time, and both hoping for and expecting the other to crawl back feeling sorry for their behaviour. I felt really self righteous about being owed an apology for how he last spoke to me and how he treated me, and he was clearly feeling that I was majorly overreacting and would surely calm down at some point and realise I was being over-the-top, and come back as normal feeling embarrassed of myself. It's interesting how easy it is to accept your own frame of reference as the truth-est truth - and to not be generous enough to understand all of the angles of the truth that we're blind to. yes!!! when i broke up with my partner before the major changes set in, i had no intention of going back. i didn't think of him trying to reconcile, because he doesn't chase. I just wanted to work on myself. i did some deep work and came to a place of understanding and peace in myself, and it prompted such overwhelming compassion for him that i went to him to humbly ask his forgiveness for how i had hurt him in my own patterns and defensive ignorance. I wasn't trying to reconcile, i just didn't want to leave things the way i had left them. he apologized too, and we started talking with a new level of intimacy. it was so healing for both of us. and it has generated real trust. Knowing that someone sees the good in you even if they are hurt, means so much. it's so gentle. That is so beautiful. Like you say, it's so gentle to be willing to be kind, and to allow yourself to be soft to the person who has so much potential capacity to squash you for your weakness - and when someone doesn't, it's like you say, trust is born. Every time a crossroads moment like that happens, and they pick kindness, and so do you, it's as if the child in you learns that day that somebody loves you, and that strengthens every time. It would mean so much to me for him to see what happened from my side, and to see how he hurt me, but I don't think he really does have the capacity, even if he does care about me in his own way. In our last conversation, I basically let myself be vulnerable one more time in saying that I don't think he's bad person even if I stomped off, it was my inability to accept that someone didn't want to be with me, and my inability to hold that rejection, because I have a core fear of not being enough. He was just telling the truth, and so my reaction to that wasn't him, it was me. It felt so scary to be seen in being that raw, especially to him, when he had already crushed that in me before.... but there's a beauty in trusting in, and betting on your own truth and in accepting the outcome of that. He never apologised, and wasn't really able to meet me at my depth, but he was glad I came back, and expressed that. It was the closest thing to closure that an AP like me and an FA like him could have, and I kept my integrity and let myself be seen, regardless of whether or not he could see it and I think that's what matters, right? Taking the risk to be seen - love is in gambling on your worth so much that you will let yourself be seen, and trust that you are just as loveable in that place as in any.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 18:01:53 GMT
yes @tigrio , you get it.
and that day, is the day you chose yourself. it's even more powerful than him choosing you.
i had had times like that with my partner during difficulty and breaking.... when i bravely spoke my truth and just blurted out my vulnerability. He couldn't reciprocate!
But after so much breaking, something changed. it started in me, maybe... i know i changed inside and stopped looking for change in him.
maybe he did the same. i don't know. but somehow, we began to see eye to eye. change happened mutually from the inside.
we still are at different levels, in the way we communicate, the way we live, the way we are. But we are gentle with each other and it means everything to me.
to be flawed and messy sometimes and imperfect but still treated gently is just the most a person could ask for.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 18:18:41 GMT
one time when it was really bad we were both fighting dirty, and yelling. a lot of hurt and anger on both sides. i saw us ruining everything and i didn't know what to do. So he was really growly and i just got really vulnerable and said something like "i don't want this to happen. i need the kindness and patience in you to listen to me so i won't hurt like i do. please just give me your patience , even if you think i am wrong."
he said "FINE!!! I NEED TO CALM DOWN AND ILL CALL YOU BACK!"
so i was nervous and calming myself down and waiting a long time for him to call me back. I was like "UGH!!! He tricked me!"
then he called me and was very kind and soft and patient and listened to me. i don't think we agreed in th end tho. but we stopped making it worse.
we both saw something reasonable in the other , looking back, and we did get through whatever that problem was. that was one of the baby steps, we still went through a bunch of hard times after that but it was a little seed of generosity on both sides i guess.
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