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Post by blunek on Apr 7, 2018 22:28:50 GMT
Hey guys. I have been reading this board for many months now, but just made an account today. I am struggling so damn much with the breakup from my avoidant ex
We haven't been in contact for nine months. I feel triggered right now. I decided to finally make my first post because my neighbors in the apartment below me are fighting. Their fighting reminds me of how my ex and I were the last time we spoke. It's really breaking me apart to hear this. I sit here staring at my exes phone number in my contacts list. But I never call because I am afraid to give in first. Like many of y'all have posted, we were also good friends for many years before we dated - ..we always clicked and had our own world
Is there any chance that he is suffering like me? Or missing me? I know he cared for me very much and I treated him much better than his exes did but that may not mean much to him
I ran into his cousin a few weeks ago at a fundraiser for our church. His cousin and I always got along real well. His cousin told me that he asked my ex if he was happier now that we have broken up, and apparently my ex said no BUT that his life is calmer. He also said that my ex looks and acts like he's depressed - which i believe but it doesn't mean he is depressed over me.
My ex told me once that he has a rule that if you date somebody for awhile you have six months to get over them or something like that.
Well this has been more than six months since we have talked, so is it safe to assume he has forgotten about me?
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Post by tnr9 on Apr 7, 2018 23:29:35 GMT
Hey guys. I have been reading this board for many months now, but just made an account today. I am struggling so damn much with the breakup from my avoidant ex We haven't been in contact for nine months. I feel triggered right now. I decided to finally make my first post because my neighbors in the apartment below me are fighting. Their fighting reminds me of how my ex and I were the last time we spoke. It's really breaking me apart to hear this. I sit here staring at my exes phone number in my contacts list. But I never call because I am afraid to give in first. Like many of y'all have posted, we were also good friends for many years before we dated - ..we always clicked and had our own world Is there any chance that he is suffering like me? Or missing me? I know he cared for me very much and I treated him much better than his exes did but that may not mean much to him I ran into his cousin a few weeks ago at a fundraiser for our church. His cousin and I always got along real well. His cousin told me that he asked my ex if he was happier now that we have broken up, and apparently my ex said no BUT that his life is calmer. He also said that my ex looks and acts like he's depressed - which i believe but it doesn't mean he is depressed over me. My ex told me once that he has a rule that if you date somebody for awhile you have six months to get over them or something like that. Well this has been more than six months since we have talked, so is it safe to assume he has forgotten about me? Welcome to the boards. I am so sorry about the triggering you are experiencing due to your neighbors fighting downstairs. Can you leave your place for a while and go to a place that will allow you to calm your central nervous system? I cannot speak for your ex and whether he misses you still or not...but it is clear from your post that you miss him. I miss the guy I dated as well ( I chose not to call him an ex) and it has been almost a year since he broke up with me. I do have some intermittent contact with him and it is not a piece of cake to negotiate my feelings back to friendship. I still have moments where I get "hopeful" about reconciling, there are moments I get really sad....contact has actually elongated my healing process. I compare it to pulling a bandaid off while the scab is still tender versus the bandaid remaining on with no contact. Every other guy I have dated has been zero contact after dating....so this is a new thing for me. I want to extend a question for you to ponder...what is your goal with the questions above? Do you want to simply know that he misses you as well..or...are you also a bit hopeful for a reconciliation? There is no right or wrong answer...but knowing our motives does help to shed light on whether contact will be a good thing or..like me...lead to extending moments of hope and sadness. Sending you hugs.
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Post by blunek on Apr 7, 2018 23:56:55 GMT
Well first of all I am so sorry you are going through this too! I have seen your posts here and have found them to be helpful. I hope you find a way to heal even though you remain in contact. Seems like you are in a great forum to help your healing process.
They actually stopped fighting so I am recovering now. I feel so bad for the couple living below me because I remember what it feels like to argue like that. And that is a good question......I do not know what my goal is in terms of getting back with him. I cannot answer that with complete accuracy because I have not seen or talked to him in nine months. I would say I lean towards reconciliation because I feel we could have had a good chance to make things work, but I also have learned much about myself since the breakup. I would have to actually speak with him and see if he has improved in order to make that final decision.
I have come to terms with the fact that we may never get back together, but what seems to hurt the most is the thought that he may really not care or think of me after all we have been through and all we bonded over. I would probably be just fine knowing that we may never get back together, but still knowing at the end of the day that he misses me and cares for me still. Some professionals on youtube say avoidants do miss the ex, but they just don't register it. But then I get on here and some people say avoidant don't miss the other person. I can't figure it out. I just want to be cared for in return, that's all.
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Post by blunek on Apr 8, 2018 0:10:47 GMT
The entire thing confuses me. For example, he says he never chases a girl but he definitely chased me. He made it very clear he was interested in me. He said he grew very attached to me. But then he told me after we broke up that a girl had never liked him as much as I liked him and that most girls he dated he felt used him or moved on really quickly after him. I also asked him if he was truly in love with me and he said that he was "at times." But I remember so many memories where I knew he was in love with me. I remember up until the very end he seemed to love me very much.
I don't understand even nine months later. I cannot make sense of it. He used to get really sensitive about talking about his dog. When his dog died, I asked him how we was feeling and he said he was fine. I asked if he was sad and he said no, but it definitely sounded like he had been crying. He won't even admit to loving something after he has lost it - like he's scared to admit it or something. He told me he was head over heels for his high school girlfriend (this was about 20 years ago) and she left him and he sat reeling in his bed sick to his stomach and so he knows that heartbreaking feeling. But now he seems to push it all aside.
I just wish to god I knew if I meant anything at all to him, because my intuition was screaming at me that he was the one. It takes so much for me to have feelings for somebody else but maybe it was all for show. I just need a lot of help sorting through this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 0:26:08 GMT
i'm sorry your heart is breaking, it sounds like both of you cared a lot.
did you think he was the one, as is? or did you think he was the one, with some changes to become what you want him to be?
it's an important question.
i'm avoidant, and i don't know of any partner who loves, understands and wants me as is, except my current partner; who is also avoidant.
we're compatible. do you feel compatible with your ex, as is? because unless someone is offering change, that's the only thing to consider.
just trying to help you sort through, as lonliness, regret and nostalgia can really do a number on reason.
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Post by tnr9 on Apr 8, 2018 1:31:03 GMT
I concur with Juniper.....it is important to accept a person as he/she is because you cannot love a person into change, change has to be something he wants. Thank you for your empathetic words...I would be remiss if I did not own half of the responsibility for elongating my own process...I have initiated contact as much as B has with me. So I own the fact that every day I am choosing to potentially reawaken attachment pain...and that I am actively playing a role in where I am at. For me, for now...that is what I am choosing. Here is a thought....would it be possible, since you don't really know what he is thinking, to "gift" yourself by going with the idea that he does miss you? Do you really need the validation of that or is it enough to tell yourself that he misses certain things about you and the relationship you shared and leave it at that. You can miss someone and still decide that at this moment you are not the best fit for each other. I cannot speak into the future...but if that information provides your heart with peace...I say go for it. .
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Post by scheme00 on Apr 8, 2018 3:31:16 GMT
They do miss you. If you were good to them and did not stress them out too much. Your example sounds so familiar to mine. Three days ago I was in the shower crying. Broke up with my DA 6 months ago because of her distancing strategies. I couldn’t take it anymore. But I always treated her so well. I never got mad or angry. But I did have to walk away. 6 months and not a peep from her. This is the type of partner who would NEVER chase someone. But I had always remembered a post in which Mary (our most helpful member of the forum here I think) said that the only way she would reach back out to someone was if she felt safe in doing so. IE if she knew that the person wasn’t mad at her or upset with her. I always made it known during our breaks that she could contact me if she wanted to give it a go. And when I finally broke up with her I told her I loved her so much but could not handle being with someone unavailable. But also that I loved her to death. She told me how she appreciated someone that put so much effort into her.
6 months and not a word from her. All of the same thoughts that you just had in your post. Every day this person crossed my mind. “I’ll pribably never hear from them again.” That all changed a few days ago when I looked down at my phone and saw that they reached out to ME. The impossible happened. And we’re meeting up next week to go out. Avoidants need to feel safe. If you want to give it another go then extend the olive branch to him to communicate with you with absolutely zero pressure. Only love and acceptance.
During one of our break ups after reconciliation she told me that she felt depressed the past few months but didn’t know why. The only thing that had changed in her life was I was out of the picture...she had NO conscious relation that she was depressed over our break up. I would almost guarantee with absolute certainty based on your facts that he misses you. He may not be aware that he does on the surface but it sounds like he does.
To be continued...
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Post by meimei on Apr 8, 2018 11:38:17 GMT
Hi Blunek and everyone else here,
In my experience, yes - they do miss you. My ex has a DA attachment style while I am a preoccupied anxious. I was with my partner for a little under six years. Two years in, when he was living with me in my home, I found a current letter that he had written to his ex-wife. In the letter, he declared his love for her, and mentioned how not a single day went by where he did not think of her, and also how he would do anything to be with her again (make her a priority over his work and many hobbies). I was devastated but chose to stay with him foolishly, believing his explanation - that what he had written was a closure letter. I was blindsided by his letter becaue he always complained about the many arguments that he had with his previous wife, how he slept most nights in the other room, and cringed opening the door to his house because he dreaded seeing her (they were only married for a year). He made it seem to me like SHE was always the problem and how he was so miserable with her, and yet how I was his total package - dream girl. I stuck it out and continued with the relationship because he could be very thoughtful and romantic at times. In the meanwhile, i accepted years of the silent treatment from him. I felt so alone and depressd.
I had reconciled with my partner after my last post here. But eventually I ended the relationship for good. He always stated how he comes first because no one else in life will take care of him. And finally I had the courage to tell him, that I choose myself. Later, he did tell a friend, that he wanted no other woman but me. Maybe I have become his phantom ex?
I have spent the past many months learning about attachment styles and my codependent behavior. I am enjoying - taking this time to work on my issues so when I do meet a potential partner in the future, I can have more to offer - a better, healthier, more secure version of myself. Sadly as much as I love my ex (I still miss him very much), he has no interest in looking inward, and I have no desire to go back to the same disfunctional dance.
The reason why I’m sharing my story with you is because I want you to keep in mind, that missing someone is not always enough. (My ex and I reconciled way too many times.) If you set your emotions aside, do you really feel that you can reconcile with your ex and not revert to old ways? A lot of times, those arguments will still be there. Those behaviors and patterns don’t change overnight. It takes two willing partners to see their shortcomings and actively work on them. My ex misses his ex wife and I believe he misses me too and is depressed, but the thought of being trapped in a committed relationship that requires some interdependency, communication, and intimacy, is greater. I think a DA and a PA can have a good relationship with each other, but it’s a rocky road that requires “consistent “ patience and understanding on both sides.
Wishing you the best!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 12:11:21 GMT
here is my experience of missing, as an avoidant, and one that i see in my partner as well:
whether or not i miss a person after a relationship ends depends on how hated or despised i felt in spite of expressions of love. Really. if the arguing made me feel misunderstood, devalued, negatively characterized, demeaned, or insulted, i did not leave the relationship looking back with warm feelings. leaving was a relief and i didn't give it much further thought in terms of going back. This doesn't mean i am happy necessarily, although i will be glad to not be subjected to further unpleasantries. i am also dealing privately with my own feelings of anger, disgust , resentment, hurt, and whatever negative feelings are involved with being treated badly.
Most DA i know are very practical people, so as stated in a previous comment, missing is not always enough. If i have warm feelings about a person that i no longer am in relationship with, but see no practical way to overcome obstacles that broke us, the missing is something i accept and know is not enough to lead me to try again. I see that DA i know are action oriented and if they can't take action to remedy something they don't spend a lot of time going around about it, they let it go and deal privately with any feelings they have, however they deal with them.
(Also, if a DA tend to numb feelings with over work or substances, missing will be numbed and no action taken. there is probably not a solution in their mind, as they turn to numbing and distancing and not solutions. )
In the case of something unresolved, where the relationship has ended, and i miss a lot, i will try to find a remedy and if i believe a reasonable one exists (as in, a change in MY OWN behavior and beliefs and approach, i will make the effort toward reconciliation.
It may take time, but if i want to reconcile i won't stop myself , i will make and execute a plan of reconciliation. It may or may not work, but i won't deny myself the opportunity.
A DA who is less aware may limit themselves and just turn away from the relationship altogether. It seems looking back that that is what i did prior to recovery but honestly, everything is vague and sketchy to me back then. I think it's very possible to tune out missing and just drift away. But that's not me any more.
I don't know if it's helpful, i have done a lot of work and am able to look back in retrospect to understand things, and to understand DA around me.
Also- in the case of a DA who is unaware.... they may miss, and restablish conract, without a real plan. Contact in that case would not mean that real insight has been gained, but they are not at the absolute end. this can feel hopeful but as many have experienced, it can be just a prolonging of the end, it can happen on both sides like that where neither has the health or solutions in place to sustain the relationship and they are just grappling with messy feelings.
I think it's safest to say, no contact from a DA means they aren't seeing reconciliation, they most likely are resigned in some way to the end of the relationship.
This can change over time but until it does, prolonged silence in my experience does not translate to longing and hoping and wishing for what could be, on the DA side.
Every person and situation is different but that just my perspective on the topic of missing.
it's important to mention that i think the underlying belief for an avoidant is that relationships don't work out. that's a powerful belief and if they haven't begun to question it yet, they will likely live in ways that prove that belief, even as they wrestle with it and wish for something different. it's about not having the capacity to do differently (until fundamental long standing beliefs evolve through introspection and effort). we just started talking about that in the support forum, that's why i bring it up here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 13:14:22 GMT
i want to add, that a big part of missing vs not missing.... the single most painful experience of my life in regard to relationships, has been having malicious and intentionally harmful motivations assigned to me where no malice or harm is intended. I know that due to their conditioning, AP individuals are prone to negative interpretation of their partners behavior, taking inadequacies or differences on their partner's part, as personal affronts. My experience has been that this is in fact a very detrimental aspect of the DA/AP dynamic. This is Not and attack on AP, this is acknowledging that that situation has been extremely painful to me from childhood forward, and one that i felt helpless and hopeless to defend myself against. I have left every relationship that had me painted as the cruel one, and it was to preserve myself against unfair and diminishing treatment. I don't have relationships in my life today where people see me as harmful to them. It makes sense. Today? if there are misunderstandings in my relationships i am treated as a good person, without being accused of intentional cruelty. This is extremely important because it is the truth of me and i know it. So if the DA in your life has been the bad guy, and they left, they probably aren't coming back because that hurts really bad. My partner left his ex with bitterness and a resolve to preserve himself, after being vilified that way also. So, like I think it was scheme00 said, avoidants need love and understanding too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 14:14:53 GMT
Hey guys. I have been reading this board for many months now, but just made an account today. I am struggling so damn much with the breakup from my avoidant ex We haven't been in contact for nine months. I feel triggered right now. I decided to finally make my first post because my neighbors in the apartment below me are fighting. Their fighting reminds me of how my ex and I were the last time we spoke. It's really breaking me apart to hear this. I sit here staring at my exes phone number in my contacts list. But I never call because I am afraid to give in first. Like many of y'all have posted, we were also good friends for many years before we dated - ..we always clicked and had our own world Is there any chance that he is suffering like me? Or missing me? I know he cared for me very much and I treated him much better than his exes did but that may not mean much to him I ran into his cousin a few weeks ago at a fundraiser for our church. His cousin and I always got along real well. His cousin told me that he asked my ex if he was happier now that we have broken up, and apparently my ex said no BUT that his life is calmer. He also said that my ex looks and acts like he's depressed - which i believe but it doesn't mean he is depressed over me. My ex told me once that he has a rule that if you date somebody for awhile you have six months to get over them or something like that. Well this has been more than six months since we have talked, so is it safe to assume he has forgotten about me? No one knows but him if he misses you or not. As others have said, it depends on what the relationship was like, if you really connected and how in touch he is with his feelings. The important thing is that you take care of yourself and figure out what it is that you want and need. I think a lot of people just want to know the ex misses them as a "validation" of the relationship. The validation of the relationship though resides within you.
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Post by tnr9 on Apr 8, 2018 15:03:02 GMT
i want to add, that a big part of missing vs not missing.... the single most painful experience of my life in regard to relationships, has been having malicious and intentionally harmful motivations assigned to me where no malice or harm is intended. I know that due to their conditioning, AP individuals are prone to negative interpretation of their partners behavior, taking inadequacies or differences on their partner's part, as personal affronts. My experience has been that this is in fact a very detrimental aspect of the DA/AP dynamic. This is Not and attack on AP, this is acknowledging that that situation has been extremely painful to me from childhood forward, and one that i felt helpless and hopeless to defend myself against. I have left every relationship that had me painted as the cruel one, and it was to preserve myself against unfair and diminishing treatment. I don't have relationships in my life today where people see me as harmful to them. It makes sense. Today? if there are misunderstandings in my relationships i am treated as a good person, without being accused of intentional cruelty. This is extremely important because it is the truth of me and i know it. So if the DA in your life has been the bad guy, and they left, they probably aren't coming back because that hurts really bad. My partner left his ex with bitterness and a resolve to preserve himself, after being vilified that way also. So, like I think it was scheme00 said, avoidants need love and understanding too. Thank you Juniper for this honest assessment of the AP/DA dance. For me, everything in my childhood felt so very personal ( even though it likely wasn't) that is one of the lens that I adopted that has been brought forward into my adult relationships. Another aspect is scarcity and the thought that if I am not getting it...it being time, love, communication etc...someone else is. This has sometimes led me to thoughts of jealousy/why aren't I enough instead of being generous and seeing it like you are...as a protective measure for the other person....a safe base from which to reach out again. I am still working n this...but am grateful for your honest posts.
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Post by blunek on Apr 9, 2018 2:57:19 GMT
Oh my..... so many wonderful and helpful responses. I am truly overwhelmed in the best way!! I cannot put into words how low I have been feeling ever since I was reminded of my ex through my neighbor's fight. I want to answer the responses now, but I need to take all of this in. I also just got back from a long day at work so I will answer these tomorrow when I am not exhausted. thanks you guys so much and will be back tomorrow
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Post by annieb on Apr 9, 2018 15:20:26 GMT
Hey guys. I have been reading this board for many months now, but just made an account today. I am struggling so damn much with the breakup from my avoidant ex We haven't been in contact for nine months. I feel triggered right now. I decided to finally make my first post because my neighbors in the apartment below me are fighting. Their fighting reminds me of how my ex and I were the last time we spoke. It's really breaking me apart to hear this. I sit here staring at my exes phone number in my contacts list. But I never call because I am afraid to give in first. Like many of y'all have posted, we were also good friends for many years before we dated - ..we always clicked and had our own world Is there any chance that he is suffering like me? Or missing me? I know he cared for me very much and I treated him much better than his exes did but that may not mean much to him I ran into his cousin a few weeks ago at a fundraiser for our church. His cousin and I always got along real well. His cousin told me that he asked my ex if he was happier now that we have broken up, and apparently my ex said no BUT that his life is calmer. He also said that my ex looks and acts like he's depressed - which i believe but it doesn't mean he is depressed over me. My ex told me once that he has a rule that if you date somebody for awhile you have six months to get over them or something like that. Well this has been more than six months since we have talked, so is it safe to assume he has forgotten about me? I would have to say that with certainty that this person is missing you, but they have also probably villiefied you by now. But a few things that stood out, I would like to point out. First, the fact that you "treated him better than other girlfriends". Where did you get this information? So there were multiple girlfriends that treated him poorly? So there are all these abusive awful women out there? It's a subtle attempt at controlling how you treat him from here on out. Also that he never chases anyone, yet he chased you. Of course he chases people, he chased you. So what is he saying? The exact opposite of what he is doing. He is manipulative and is either aware of it or not. Either way this guy sounds like an awful candidate for a relationship. If you are feeling low at the moment, I wouldn't reach out to him unless you are prepared for more pain, because rest assured there is more pain to be had with this guy. I would attempt to move on. Any new guy is a better bet for a relationship than this guy. Those are the odds.
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Post by blunek on Apr 9, 2018 17:36:39 GMT
i'm sorry your heart is breaking, it sounds like both of you cared a lot. did you think he was the one, as is? or did you think he was the one, with some changes to become what you want him to be? it's an important question. i'm avoidant, and i don't know of any partner who loves, understands and wants me as is, except my current partner; who is also avoidant. we're compatible. do you feel compatible with your ex, as is? because unless someone is offering change, that's the only thing to consider. just trying to help you sort through, as lonliness, regret and nostalgia can really do a number on reason. That is a good question. He is not the one as he is right now. Unfortunately, he has gone into complete isolation and isn't even speaking with his friends for some reason. The person that he was before he started to isolate was the one for me though. I feel compatible with him on so many levels. The only level I had a hard time with was when he completely isolated himself. I still love him as is, but at the same time, it is impossible to have a relationship with somebody who refuses to communicate with the outside world at times. I know he is in a stressful life situation right now and things have gotten pretty bad. He doesn't even log into his social media any longer. But you are right, nostalgia, loneliness, and regret are doing a number on me. I miss him even when I don't feel lonely, but the few years we were together certainly were the highlight of my life. We were good together and we had so much in common it was eerie. But I have a need to feel supported during a relationship and he would tell me that he needed many days away to not speak. I felt blindsided at the end of the relationship because he was saying things that did not line up with who he was before. I am having a hell of a time figuring out if he was faking his personality while we were together until he couldn't do it any longer, or if he is truly the person he was while we were together and is severely depressed over his current life situation and that is bringing out the issues.
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