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Post by ocarina on Apr 8, 2018 9:46:13 GMT
I have been doing some work recently (not specifically related to relationships) and my mentor mentioned the cycle of:
Belief
Result Potential
Action
should be arrows from belief clockwise but my it skills didn't run to that.
In relationships I have noticed this is extremely relevant - ie the belief that "I am not good at relationships" is pretty much a predictor of actions that (even subconciously) preclude healthy relationship dynamics, with the result that bingo - relationship melt down or misery...
How much does belief underpin insecure attachment types - and what happens/ how can we change those beliefs? It seems to be a never ending circle of doom - my ex for example, said he wasn't good at relationships, said he didn't believe long term relationships could bring happiness and then looked for examples to confirm his "reality".
As an FA - my reality has tended to be that intimacy is frightening, risky etc and so I behave in a way that limits potential, with the result that I am chronically lonely (well perhaps not so much any more).
Can anyone relate to this? It seems to me that modifying belief is key here - without that we're flogging a dead horse - maybe this is why making behavioural changes (changes in actions) is so difficult, because our beliefs become our reality.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 11:46:05 GMT
YES i can relate to this. absolutely. I noticed that the (negative) things that my partner and i said about ourselves and relationships ultimately became our reality. he said he wasn't good at relationships and that two people couldn't sustain their care for each other. i said that i didn't need anyone. that's the underpinning of the dialogs we had about relationships in the beginning. they were definitely self limiting beliefs. so we were in a cycle of breaking, and coming back together to try again, and breaking. we had such an affection and care for each other, that we negated at every turn. i can't say that it was purely targeting beliefs that changed the trajectory. i think it was a combination of examining beliefs and letting them evolve through deep work, and consciously changing actions known to be more beneficial and less detrimental, and allowing experience and positive emotions that began as a seed, to grow with the new care being given them. does that make sense? it became about nurturing a different reality. When i challenged the belief that i "need" no one, i was deeply impacted in a scary way, by the fact that as a human, i do. it shook me, due to the vulnerability i experienced associated with that. i distanced repeatedly as i worked through my conflict with that. i had to overcome fear of loss. what i mean is that i had to then further challenge my belief, that if something or someone is dear to me, it will be taken away. Like, as soon as i let myself love him, he will get sick and die and i will be heartbroken. (i know we all die... the point is, me loving someone means i can't have them. not my fault, but i will be denied automatically) i know it sounds crazy. but the depth of my feeling made me very afraid. as i look back at my early life, i can see how i was conditioned to believe that, but i am reconditioning myself now as an adult. . So, it's been a very raw and vulnerable place i had to go to to discover and challenge my beliefs, and to begin to nurture new beliefs and actions. it's a daily decision to continue to do so, while the new beliefs and actions grow. it's a conscious and deliberate intention to allow the outcome i desire. and i am focused on daily thoughts, actions, and outcomes, rather than the future. So, if you think of it like growing a beautiful rose bush, i water and tend and prune and observe and appreciate the rose bush every day, and it's reasonable now to think that it will remain a big beautiful healthy bush with roses. I no longer approach the rose bush with my watering can thinking "This bush is gonna die before it even flowers " it's interesting to note also, that in areas where i don't harbor fear, the same has also been true in reverse--- i have assumed success and acted in ways that bring it about. I did that with my family's living situation and dynamic, my business, my physical fitness and health, the goals i had there always seemed completely within reach and not an overwhelmingly fearful process. Relationship (romantic) has been the area of trepidation and negative beliefs for me, and that is now changing. i feel raw tho even as i type this because it brings up vulnerability. so then i go back to baby steps of allowing what i love, to be. i am going to reflect on this some more, it's been a theme of my own inner work. The reality is, we are all Creators. Interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 14:31:06 GMT
I do think that beliefs are a factor in forming reality. I think the key to change is understanding why the beliefs exist in the first place. How were they formed? Understanding how they are formed, then can shape or reshape if it's actually a belief or something that has just been there so long that we didn't question it. Lately,I have unpacked my entire childhood to look for answers and I found them. I had packed away my childhood for so long, afraid to look at it. Now, that I have unpacked it and looked at each piece and examined what was there, I found what I was looking for and it was a relief. I do think that one's beliefs are at the core of one's behavior.
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 8, 2018 16:38:33 GMT
I think the key to change is understanding why the beliefs exist in the first place. How were they formed? Understanding how they are formed, then can shape or reshape if it's actually a belief or something that has just been there so long that we didn't question it. This has also been key for me. As written in my inner child thread, I now found out what belief has caused me to reject my father and later become dismissive or at least very reserved in romantic relationships. Hence my flirting style involves coolness and mixed signals. Becoming aware of it war such a release for me. My theory is that a belief we are not aware of becomes tangled in many emotions, buried in the unconscious and hard to reach on a conceptual level. Then we can say, yeah that was valid in childhood, but not what I am observing today
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 8, 2018 16:51:10 GMT
it became about nurturing a different reality. When i challenged the belief that i "need" no one, i was deeply impacted in a scary way, by the fact that as a human, i do. it shook me, due to the vulnerability i experienced associated with that. i distanced repeatedly as i worked through my conflict with that. i had to overcome fear of loss. what i mean is that i had to then further challenge my belief, that if something or someone is dear to me, it will be taken away. Like, as soon as i let myself love him, he will get sick and die and i will be heartbroken. (i know we all die... the point is, me loving someone means i can't have them. not my fault, but i will be denied automatically) i know it sounds crazy. but the depth of my feeling made me very afraid. as i look back at my early life, i can see how i was conditioned to believe that, but i am reconditioning myself now as an adult. There are many different levels of need. At the simplest level, we need other humans to form a society and have a better survival rate. One person alone in the woods may have the skills to survive, but will not have the same life expectancy. Then there is a need for friends; we may have a physically good life without friendship, but people with friends have longer, happier and easier lives. Once I recognized they helped me level up and that their support also helped me through difficult times, I saw that while I don't need friends to survive, I do need them to be happier and more resillient. Opening up is vulnerable, but does not make you any weaker. A friendship shared brings so much happiness for so many years, and the heartbreak usually spans a shorter time and with inner strength and the support of other friends we have the resillience to live through heartbreak, heal its hurts and continue living a meaningful life.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 17:03:01 GMT
it became about nurturing a different reality. When i challenged the belief that i "need" no one, i was deeply impacted in a scary way, by the fact that as a human, i do. it shook me, due to the vulnerability i experienced associated with that. i distanced repeatedly as i worked through my conflict with that. i had to overcome fear of loss. what i mean is that i had to then further challenge my belief, that if something or someone is dear to me, it will be taken away. Like, as soon as i let myself love him, he will get sick and die and i will be heartbroken. (i know we all die... the point is, me loving someone means i can't have them. not my fault, but i will be denied automatically) i know it sounds crazy. but the depth of my feeling made me very afraid. as i look back at my early life, i can see how i was conditioned to believe that, but i am reconditioning myself now as an adult. There are many different levels of need. At the simplest level, we need other humans to form a society and have a better survival rate. One person alone in the woods may have the skills to survive, but will not have the same life expectancy. Then there is a need for friends; we may have a physically good life without friendship, but people with friends have longer, happier and easier lives. Once I recognized they helped me level up and that their support also helped me through difficult times, I saw that while I don't need friends to survive, I do need them to be happier and more resillient. Opening up is vulnerable, but does not make you any weaker. A friendship shared brings so much happiness for so many years, and the heartbreak usually spans a shorter time and with inner strength and the support of other friends we have the resillience to live through heartbreak, heal its hurts and continue living a meaningful life. yes, this resonates deeply with me. and, the word "need" here translates more accurately to a realization of how valuable my partner is to me, how i cherish him. and how i want to work with him so that we both benefit and grow. opening up myself to the kind of love i feel with him ,which feels like a symbiotic deep friendship and soul-level accord, has been UNTHINKABLE and completely unrealistic to me all my life prior. i couldn't even imagine it. It's only been the deep work of , like @mary said, finding out what beliefs i carry and where they came from, that has allowed me to change course. I was living on some kind of autopilot navigated by negative a fear based beliefs, before.
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 8, 2018 17:41:32 GMT
It's truly very beautiful that you can open yourself to love. And a source of hope for all of us.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 17:55:44 GMT
It's truly very beautiful that you can open yourself to love. And a source of hope for all of us. honestly, it's been so scary and painful at times to feel that vulnerable. i wouldn't want to go back, to before, but i wasn't ready for the deep chasm of fear that opened up in me. it was a fear of losing something i want so badly, that i had hoped all my life for, without even realizing it maybe. When i held my newborn baby the first time i felt that way, but i didn't feel afraid. i knew i was in it for life. But when i realized this had happened inside of me in a relationship i could walk away from, to avoid the vulnerability, i had to start doing deep stuff to address the conflicts in me. I feel a lot more peaceful but i'm not cured. I don't know if i ever will be. But it's a daily willingness to stay open and present. and it's good. People do it all the time, i've seen it just never experienced it between myself and a partner before. i couldn't understand it before.
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Post by yasmin on Apr 8, 2018 18:14:15 GMT
"As an FA - my reality has tended to be that intimacy is frightening, risky etc and so I behave in a way that limits potential, with the result that I am chronically lonely".
The above sums up my life in a sentence!
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Post by leavethelighton on Apr 8, 2018 23:40:57 GMT
Reminds me of the concept of "confirmation bias" too...
I agree it can be helpful to think about how your beliefs lead into actions and results, and if one wants different results then changing the core (or initial) beliefs. Hmmm... could definitely be revolutionary.
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 11, 2018 6:38:23 GMT
Have any of you sought out situations specifically to disconfirm these beliefs?
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Post by leavethelighton on Apr 16, 2018 23:49:30 GMT
GOldilocks, what would that look like?
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