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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 21:30:59 GMT
Anyway, i am practicing wishing him healing and peace and if i think of him as a wounded soul turned aggressor it helps me feel less of a wall about that. I am doing this to heal anger in ME. i still have some contact with him around kids and while i feel no discomfort about that, there is a low level hatred, that does me no good. You'd never know to see us interact, as he's too scared of consequences to make a fuss and i like to maintain my manners.... but it's an internal thing that i don't need to carry any more. You have a big heart to be working on this. To see hatred is not good for you, to heal anger... I can't be easy. Thank you for the kind words. As i am more and more in tune with myself, i want to stop letting resentments have a place, even if they are small. He doesn't have much of an impact these days, but it's just a static that is there in my mind, of negativity. Getting away from him and repairing my life and my mind was enough to make me feel free- i see him as a symptom of my past conditioning, not the cause of all my problems. Had i been more aware, i wouldn't have ended up with him. Leaving him, is when i became aware. So good came of it and what doesn't kill you really can make you stronger. I have so much beauty and happiness in my life, and i am thankful for where I'm at. I'd like to clean out the corners of my mind, because it's past. He has current behaviors which are obstructive and annoying and i would like them to bother me even less because he took enough of my energy once upon a time. I don't need to give him more , or if i do i'd rather it be neutral or even positive. Why not. i'm working on it.
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 10, 2018 4:12:30 GMT
For me it is the same as June, I just get tired from being around people too long and want to enjoy my own company. Nor do I drop off the face of the earth. I live alone so to be home is to be alone unless I invite and I plan a mix of social time and me time.
This is what I do after a day with lots of appointments. Just a day to relax and play.
Sounds good! Being alone together can also be relaxing. I enjoyed something similar with my first boyfriend, who was secure. I would just read and chill and he would chill at the computer.
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 10, 2018 4:37:54 GMT
You have a big heart to be working on this. To see hatred is not good for you, to heal anger... I can't be easy. Thank you for the kind words. As i am more and more in tune with myself, i want to stop letting resentments have a place, even if they are small. He doesn't have much of an impact these days, but it's just a static that is there in my mind, of negativity. Getting away from him and repairing my life and my mind was enough to make me feel free- i see him as a symptom of my past conditioning, not the cause of all my problems. Had i been more aware, i wouldn't have ended up with him. Leaving him, is when i became aware. So good came of it and what doesn't kill you really can make you stronger. I have so much beauty and happiness in my life, and i am thankful for where I'm at. I'd like to clean out the corners of my mind, because it's past. He has current behaviors which are obstructive and annoying and i would like them to bother me even less because he took enough of my energy once upon a time. I don't need to give him more , or if i do i'd rather it be neutral or even positive. Why not. i'm working on it. You are doing deep and broad work on yourself, which is great. Cleaning up can make us lighter and more present. Let me see how I can apply it in my own life. I do have some resentment about my mother letting bad people into our life, which was a symptom of her own past conditioning. Also, mild anger of having unexpected visitors in general especially at inappropriate times. I love her a lot, but this is a behaviour than angers me especially as it has continued to happen occasionally. Behind it is my desire to feel safe at her place. When I stay the night and we lounge in our pyjamas, I want to have a cocoon feeling and I want to trust that she is not letting guests in. Just as behind the resentment over letting bad people in was my appreciation for those times when it was just the two of us and she was relaxed and not drained. Maybe it helps to tell her these things more often as a way to keep communicating about boundaries while she is doing her best to keep them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 12:55:34 GMT
goldilocksocarinaso it sounds like that quiet space is serene for you, me too. i have tried to remember what it was before my recovery from a lot of stuff, and i have a hard time remembering. But i feel i have always been separate and solitary in a sense. Thank you for sharing your perspectives on that, i've wondered what it's like for others who grew up with an avoidant style of relating. So, here's a question. What does it feel like, when for some reason, you are unable to have that space? I have my life organized with my schedules and obligations, so that i am ensured that time and space around me. At the end of my day, i prefer to be alone. This was a hard thing for me when i shared a home with a partner. I don't need ir want to recount my day with someone, or catch up- i just want to be in the moment with myself at the end of the day . Like Goldi said, i like my own company too, as much as i like anybody else's- i make time for it. I give myself that attention. If i am unable to have the space i want and need, i feel restless and unhappy. It is a significant stressor for me. it does turn into a feeling of overwhelm and an urgent need to rectify the situation. I need to be able to count on that space like i count on a good night's sleep.
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 10, 2018 16:29:45 GMT
So, here's a question. What does it feel like, when for some reason, you are unable to have that space? I feel stressed and frazzled if I don't get my alone time. My head is full of others people's ideas and feeling. Just like sleep and days off work, my alone time is part of recharging and restoring myself. It's a basic part of my emotional and mental hygiene. ❤ Going back to my younger years, the hardest thing was camps. A LOT of people, not all chosen by me, the expectation to be social a lot... I could only fall asleep once everyone was sleeping, and woke up the earliest. A full schedule of activities. There are always people looking for attention. Often, the topics are small talk or thing uninteresting to me as not all people can be compatible but many want to socialize. I'd feel very tired after a few days and my mood would suffer. I want to be enjoyable company and feel good when socializing. Otherwise, what is the point? A warm body and some chatter? Nowadays I prefer to plan ahead, so if I have a dinner with friends after work, I take an hour to myself to let go of my work stress or just work from home that day. For longer, more intense social plans I make sure I have more alone time. If I have one socialite weekend followed by a busy week at work, the next weekend I'll have a blank calender.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 17:59:43 GMT
goldilocks we sound very similar. I used to feel bad or apologetic about this aspect of my nature but i embrace it as how i am and something that i cannot and don't need to alter. at dinner with one of my friends who tests as DA also, she and i were sharing our appreciation for both the time we do get together, and the flexibility to be able to alter plans of one of us isn't up to it. We get that not all people feel comfortable with that flexibility, and see time commitment as an indicator of respect. For the most part i agree. I am a professional, and i work by appointment. I maintain a schedule of appointments, am always on time for my clients, and i am punctual for any appointments i make with other people also. But my friend and I, have an understanding that we will check in before a dinner date or other time with each ther, to see if we are still On. Her statement about it was so refreshing and honest, to me. she said "Yeah, i want to spend time with you when i feel good, and can enjoy it. I don't want to be here, feeling like i need to check out. That isn't enjoyable for either one of us!" and i wholeheartedly agree! When i don't HAVE to do something on a set schedule, i really prefer to ebb and flow how I WANT and do what i feel like doing. My friends are the same, and we trust that the enjoyment and intention is truly there and make an effort to align with each other's vibe. But if shifts need to occur, there is absolutely no hard feelings or disappointment. there is extraordinary flexibility that just works for us. The same is true for my partner and i. We have a plan this weekend with a specific time, and we both know that if we need to adjust , we can and will with warm feelings and happiness to accommodate. it's a different culture regarding time , in my opinion. Not good or bad, just a different culture, the culture i feel most at home in. with major plans that require actual itenerary, it would be different. But i keep that to a minimum lol. and like you goldilocks, i try to plan time commitments alternating with solitude so that i can stay happy and balanced. it's like working with an energy budget. I am just sharing this because i used to not feel right in my own skin because i was around a lot of people who don't get this. I didn't get it. I wasn't really looking at it, i was just aware of discomfort sometimes that could be alleviated by being alone or avoiding rigid expectations. Now i see it as a part of my makeup and i am gentle with myself about it. So thank you for being there for me to bounce this around. It's important to me and has been a major factor in developing a life and relationships that work for me. i learned the hard way about it in some regards. i don't expect anyone else to do things on my terms but gravitate toward like minded individuals. In reality, these are the individuals i feel most connected and intimate with, the ones that aren't negatively impacted by lots of space and fluid timelines. I feel wholly accepted and understood and it feels really good to belong just as i am without needing to change a lot.
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 11, 2018 8:22:38 GMT
I would say I'm midrange with fluid timelines. In business, I also like being on time for meetings. I tend to follow suit when peopla are punctual and relax when people are not. In friendships, a few minutes late is okay outside and half an hour when meeting at home. You never know how traffic is so it is nice when you need not be early to be on time.
I make and cancel a lot of my own plans for me alone, but when meeting with friends I prefer not to cancel too often. Once in every ten times is fine, but not every other time. I did have one friend who always made too many plans because she could not say no and then cancel half the time, and that annoyed me. That said, when you don't feel good unexpectedly, I'd rather we meet another time and be together when we are both good company.
Now when I travel alone, I really enjoy a very light schedule and have the freedom to be spontaneous.
Every person is different and as long as expectations are out in the open, compromises can be made. But it's nice when they need not be made.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 12:12:55 GMT
I would say I'm midrange with fluid timelines. In business, I also like being on time for meetings. I tend to follow suit when peopla are punctual and relax when people are not. In friendships, a few minutes late is okay outside and half an hour when meeting at home. You never know how traffic is so it is nice when you need not be early to be on time. I make and cancel a lot of my own plans for me alone, but when meeting with friends I prefer not to cancel too often. Once in every ten times is fine, but not every other time. I did have one friend who always made too many plans because she could not say no and then cancel half the time, and that annoyed me. That said, when you don't feel good unexpectedly, I'd rather we meet another time and be together when we are both good company. Now when I travel alone, I really enjoy a very light schedule and have the freedom to be spontaneous. Every person is different and as long as expectations are out in the open, compromises can be made. But it's nice when they need not be made. absolutely, and for me, the comfort of knowing flexibility is there makes me much more likely to relax and feel comfortable making and keeping plans! The underlying sense of ease and acceptance and understanding softens my avoidant coping mechanisms, so the relaxed situations become consistent and reliable, as we have a level of trust and mutual respect. When i have a sense of something being overly rigid or forced i tend to lapse into avoidance. I would say 9 times out of 10 the plan is kept pretty close to the original- but knowing that there won't be an explosion or emotional wreckage if not is important to me.
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Post by annieb on Apr 12, 2018 0:50:16 GMT
From talking to my DA and from my own point of view (FA), one aspect is that it is a fear of disappointing someone. So it's easier for the DA to drop off the face of the earth than to be confronted and disappoint people. Contrary to popular belief, I do not believe DA had a high self esteem. I think hey have a high false self esteem. i am not looking for analysis of other people's behavior here, i am asking specifically, other avoidants, what is this like for you? Asking for personal experience, not an opinion on someone else's motivations. Personal experience and perspectives would be greatly appreciated. No mind reading. I am an avoidant (fearful) and that is how I've experienced it. I have incredibly high expectations of myself and I assume others do to. So, in order to no disappoint others, I rather choose "space". That is similar to what my DA told me also, that it is not so much that he needs space from me, he doesn't, he doesn't want to disappoint me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 1:48:29 GMT
i am not looking for analysis of other people's behavior here, i am asking specifically, other avoidants, what is this like for you? Asking for personal experience, not an opinion on someone else's motivations. Personal experience and perspectives would be greatly appreciated. No mind reading. I am an avoidant (fearful) and that is how I've experienced it. I have incredibly high expectations of myself and I assume others do to. So, in order to no disappoint others, I rather choose "space". That is similar to what my DA told me also, that it is not so much that he needs space from me, he doesn't, he doesn't want to disappoint me. thanks for clarifying! i read it as you interpreting but not experiencing. It really is an individual thing isn't it? i find myself totally unable to relate to this, but it may be a difference in anxiety levels between FA and DA. it's interesting to see the similarities and differences!
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 12, 2018 4:48:03 GMT
Being unwilling to face disappointing someone may be an interaction between anxiety and level of awareness.
Facing a person, disappointing him and then accepting the response requires a number of things. If there is anxiety about the other persons response, it would be hard to find the courage to face and dissapoint him. If one is unaware of this anxiety, it may register as feeling suffocated and not wanting to be with the person. If one feels overly responsible and wants to control the response of the other person, there may be a lot of excuses and apologies. Even dishonesty if one is very unaware.
So one needs the courage to face the other and be honest, come what may. If the other person is disappointed, his feelings are valid, but one is not responsible to change them. One can simply be there and witness the response.
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Post by NeedyDismissive on Jul 10, 2018 8:13:34 GMT
I need solitude, and space --- so I can just be me, masks off.
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