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Post by gulrot on Apr 11, 2018 6:50:46 GMT
Hello.
My ex broke up with me a month ago. Under the entire relationship, he was being avoidant. Craved alone time, didn't often respond to "I love you" (although he was the first to say it) and all those other things. Whenever I tried to be emotionally intimate, he pushed me away further. At some point, I told him it was probably not going to work out in the long run, to which he seemed upset about and listed a bunch of reasons why it could work. This made me determined to make it work and try harder. I started crying frantically when he again pushed me away shortly after. A week after, he broke up with me. Suddenly said that he had suppressed that it felt unnatural for him to talk to me and that we lacked chemistry. We decided to be friends, but I am heartbroken.
Part of me wants to make him aware of being avoidant in hopes he will open his eyes to how unhealthy it is. Since we are "friends", I should be able to talk to him. He responds to my messages and says hi to me in public, but doesn't initiate conversations or hangouts. My fear is that once I try to tell him, he might feel like it's "too much" and push me away completely, as would be expected of an avoidant. How should I go forth with telling him, if at all?
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Post by tnr9 on Apr 11, 2018 8:10:27 GMT
Hello. My ex broke up with me a month ago. Under the entire relationship, he was being avoidant. Craved alone time, didn't often respond to "I love you" (although he was the first to say it) and all those other things. Whenever I tried to be emotionally intimate, he pushed me away further. At some point, I told him it was probably not going to work out in the long run, to which he seemed upset about and listed a bunch of reasons why it could work. This made me determined to make it work and try harder. I started crying frantically when he again pushed me away shortly after. A week after, he broke up with me. Suddenly said that he had suppressed that it felt unnatural for him to talk to me and that we lacked chemistry. We decided to be friends, but I am heartbroken. Part of me wants to make him aware of being avoidant in hopes he will open his eyes to how unhealthy it is. Since we are "friends", I should be able to talk to him. He responds to my messages and says hi to me in public, but doesn't initiate conversations or hangouts. My fear is that once I try to tell him, he might feel like it's "too much" and push me away completely. How should I go forth with telling him, if at all? Honestly...I would drop telling him about attachment theory in hopes it will magically change things. No one responds well to someone telling them they need to change, no matter how well intentioned the other person is. If the two of you were still dating, then you could suggest taking the test together...but you are now message buddiies (I define a friend as someone I spend time with if they are local). I realize that you are deeply hurt by how he treated you and I am sorry it did not work out....but the only person you have any influence in changing is yourself. I know it is very easy to focus on "him" and look at what he did to push you away...but perhaps a better approach is to look at why you decided to stay when he wasn't providing what you needed. This isn't at all about blame...but more about self discovery so that you can grow from this experience. Welcome to the boards.
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Post by gulrot on Apr 11, 2018 10:54:48 GMT
I agree with tnr9 here. Chances are, he may not take it well. You cannot just drop a bomb like that and expect he will figure the rest out. The willing to be aware has to come from him for it to mean anything. I would suggest you focus your energy in dealing with your own insecurities so that you do not repeat the story in your next experience. You may want to explore the reason why you introduced insecurity in the relationship and why you decided to try harder when the entire thing turned more difficult. Start from there in your own path of self discovery. Best of lucks. He's actually pretty reasonable when it comes to criticism, if told in a gentle way by someone he trusts. A week after we broke up, I met up with him and had a talk with him about him being emotionally distant. Back then I didn't know about the different attachment types, so it was the best information I could provide him with at the time. I was hesitant to tell him back then too, in fear he wouldn't take it well. In reality, he ended up hearing me out about it all, and he even acknowledged that some of the things I mentioned could be true. When I asked if he wanted me to send him some links to do some research on his own on it, he said "yeah, sure". I thought he understood, and asked if he would give us another try. He looked sad and shooked his head. As for why I decided to try harder to make it work was because I felt like I hadn't been patient enough. I see myself as secure with a hint of anxious from my past. This meant I was secure at the start of our relationship, but then went through a difficult time with things outside of our relationship and also got influenced by outsiders, which pulled me a bit back to my anxious past. Before this, I had thought his behaviour was new to me (never experienced an avoidant person), but that I should give him the time and space he needs. Suddenly, others around me told me his behaviour wasn't okay and that I should push him into being more emotionally intimate. Sadly, I listened to this instead of my own reasoning. I don't really have any insecurities when it comes to relationships aside from my own mistakes. Let's be real, everyone makes mistakes. Some people choose to ignore them, and some choose to reflect on them. I am the latter. I don't fear being alone, and I definitely don't cling on to others because I think they are my only choice. Rather, I stick to them (if they want me in their lives) because every person in my life is unique and can't be replaced, and I care about them. Sometimes, I cut people out of my life if I see it as necessary. I don't mind being only friends with my ex though, I just need some time to truly accept that it's over. I just want him to be able to be happy at some point, even if it's with someone else. In order for this to happen though, he needs to realise he's avoidant and that he can work on it.
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Post by tnr9 on Apr 11, 2018 12:18:32 GMT
I agree with tnr9 here. Chances are, he may not take it well. You cannot just drop a bomb like that and expect he will figure the rest out. The willing to be aware has to come from him for it to mean anything. I would suggest you focus your energy in dealing with your own insecurities so that you do not repeat the story in your next experience. You may want to explore the reason why you introduced insecurity in the relationship and why you decided to try harder when the entire thing turned more difficult. Start from there in your own path of self discovery. Best of lucks. He's actually pretty reasonable when it comes to criticism, if told in a gentle way by someone he trusts. A week after we broke up, I met up with him and had a talk with him about him being emotionally distant. Back then I didn't know about the different attachment types, so it was the best information I could provide him with at the time. I was hesitant to tell him back then too, in fear he wouldn't take it well. In reality, he ended up hearing me out about it all, and he even acknowledged that some of the things I mentioned could be true. When I asked if he wanted me to send him some links to do some research on his own on it, he said "yeah, sure". I thought he understood, and asked if he would give us another try. He looked sad and shooked his head. As for why I decided to try harder to make it work was because I felt like I hadn't been patient enough. I see myself as secure with a hint of anxious from my past. This meant I was secure at the start of our relationship, but then went through a difficult time with things outside of our relationship and also got influenced by outsiders, which pulled me a bit back to my anxious past. Before this, I had thought his behaviour was new to me (never experienced an avoidant person), but that I should give him the time and space he needs. Suddenly, others around me told me his behaviour wasn't okay and that I should push him into being more emotionally intimate. Sadly, I listened to this instead of my own reasoning. I don't really have any insecurities when it comes to relationships aside from my own mistakes. Let's be real, everyone makes mistakes. Some people choose to ignore them, and some choose to reflect on them. I am the latter. I don't fear being alone, and I definitely don't cling on to others because I think they are my only choice. Rather, I stick to them (if they want me in their lives) because every person in my life is unique and can't be replaced, and I care about them. Sometimes, I cut people out of my life if I see it as necessary. I don't mind being only friends with my ex though, I just need some time to truly accept that it's over. I just want him to be able to be happy at some point, even if it's with someone else. In order for this to happen though, he needs to realise he's avoidant and that he can work on it. Consider that perhaps that message (of being avoidant) would be better suited from someone else. Although he said it was ok....I would think that one of two outcomes will occur...1. He will try for a little while to be "different", perhaps to win you back or 2. He will react negatively and distance further. In the end...he can do all the same research you have done without you being the one to be the messanger. We don't tend to change unless we want to...and although he acknowledged some of the ways he is...that does not indicate a willingness to act upon it. I would leave it be.
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Post by gulrot on Apr 11, 2018 20:38:41 GMT
He's actually pretty reasonable when it comes to criticism, if told in a gentle way by someone he trusts. A week after we broke up, I met up with him and had a talk with him about him being emotionally distant. Back then I didn't know about the different attachment types, so it was the best information I could provide him with at the time. I was hesitant to tell him back then too, in fear he wouldn't take it well. In reality, he ended up hearing me out about it all, and he even acknowledged that some of the things I mentioned could be true. When I asked if he wanted me to send him some links to do some research on his own on it, he said "yeah, sure". I thought he understood, and asked if he would give us another try. He looked sad and shooked his head. As for why I decided to try harder to make it work was because I felt like I hadn't been patient enough. I see myself as secure with a hint of anxious from my past. This meant I was secure at the start of our relationship, but then went through a difficult time with things outside of our relationship and also got influenced by outsiders, which pulled me a bit back to my anxious past. Before this, I had thought his behaviour was new to me (never experienced an avoidant person), but that I should give him the time and space he needs. Suddenly, others around me told me his behaviour wasn't okay and that I should push him into being more emotionally intimate. Sadly, I listened to this instead of my own reasoning. I don't really have any insecurities when it comes to relationships aside from my own mistakes. Let's be real, everyone makes mistakes. Some people choose to ignore them, and some choose to reflect on them. I am the latter. I don't fear being alone, and I definitely don't cling on to others because I think they are my only choice. Rather, I stick to them (if they want me in their lives) because every person in my life is unique and can't be replaced, and I care about them. Sometimes, I cut people out of my life if I see it as necessary. I don't mind being only friends with my ex though, I just need some time to truly accept that it's over. I just want him to be able to be happy at some point, even if it's with someone else. In order for this to happen though, he needs to realise he's avoidant and that he can work on it. Consider that perhaps that message (of being avoidant) would be better suited from someone else. Although he said it was ok....I would think that one of two outcomes will occur...1. He will try for a little while to be "different", perhaps to win you back or 2. He will react negatively and distance further. In the end...he can do all the same research you have done without you being the one to be the messanger. We don't tend to change unless we want to...and although he acknowledged some of the ways he is...that does not indicate a willingness to act upon it. I would leave it be. He wouldn't try to win me back. I've asked him if he's sure of his decision, and he said yes without any hesitation. Honestly, I don't even think there's any chance we'd ever be together again. So the two outcomes would be 1. He does some research and decides that maybe he should consider this for his next relationship, or 2. He will react negatively and distance further. As things are at the moment, further distance would mean him cutting all contact. Our current interactions are already minimal. Once a week (or less), I send him a message about trivial stuff. He usually shuts them down by replying in a way that makes it hard for me to keep the conversation going and seems disinterested. Despite this, he still claims he wants me as a friend. But yeah, you might just be right. Maybe I should just leave him alone about this.
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Post by gulrot on Apr 11, 2018 21:24:08 GMT
Hi gulrot I'm sorry you're going through this. From what you are saying, you seem determined to "fix" him. This will get you absolutely no where. Put yourself in his shoes. How would you feel if someone did those same things to you? I would run from someone who did that to me. You're basically telling him that he's not good enough and needs to change to be loved. I know that's not what you mean. Just understand that that may be how he taking it. Basically, if you can't accept him, how he is, than you should just move on. I'm not at all saying he needs to change to be loved and to be good enough. He's a likable person. What I mean to say is that he'll keep running from his relationships once intimacy is proposed. This is how I would present it if I were to tell him. But as I mentioned in the post above, I probably won't after reading your insights on this. Makes sense that he'd just run away further or feel trapped.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 21:45:21 GMT
Avoidant attachment impacts an individual's ability to have a healthy intimate relationship, true. But, the main motivator for an avoidant to heal deep wounds inflicted when they were children, is often NOT A desire to be in a relationship. I don't know any DA, personally, that sought healing initially so they could be better at intimacy. Not that it doesn't happen. The DA i know sought healing when they hurt enough internally to want to begin to understand themselves and the struggles they have. It may or may not have to do with a romantic relationship. It might have to do with their relationship with their families, their children, the world, themselves. Anxious attachment are more likely, i presume, to be motivated to figure out how to have a relationship. And, it's may be that he is capable of more intimacy with a different partner. It's hard to say, as his ex partner, because you contributed to any dynamic that existed. So, as an avoidant, i see clear signs he isn't interested in your input on this, and I would agree that it isn't your place to offer him advice for the success of his future relationships. I do notice that AP's here often tend to point to the severity of their ex partners issues while minimizing their own. Maybe their self assessment is accurate, maybe not. But a lot of AP partners are only "slightly anxious" or "situationally anxious" or "secure but i took bad advice" or somehow healthier than the partners they are on the internet posting about. I don't assume that this assessment is correct, and i don't assume it isn't. I'm just trying to provide a different perspective. I wish you the very best, however you choose to proceed with your own processes!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 22:43:34 GMT
let it go.
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Post by annieb on Apr 12, 2018 0:45:29 GMT
Hello. My ex broke up with me a month ago. Under the entire relationship, he was being avoidant. Craved alone time, didn't often respond to "I love you" (although he was the first to say it) and all those other things. Whenever I tried to be emotionally intimate, he pushed me away further. At some point, I told him it was probably not going to work out in the long run, to which he seemed upset about and listed a bunch of reasons why it could work. This made me determined to make it work and try harder. I started crying frantically when he again pushed me away shortly after. A week after, he broke up with me. Suddenly said that he had suppressed that it felt unnatural for him to talk to me and that we lacked chemistry. We decided to be friends, but I am heartbroken. Part of me wants to make him aware of being avoidant in hopes he will open his eyes to how unhealthy it is. Since we are "friends", I should be able to talk to him. He responds to my messages and says hi to me in public, but doesn't initiate conversations or hangouts. My fear is that once I try to tell him, he might feel like it's "too much" and push me away completely. How should I go forth with telling him, if at all? As tempting as it is, it is not your job to educate him, he will come to his own conclusions and will seek his own truth, when the time comes. I am myself tempted to reach out to my DA and tell him about all this, but it's none of my business, where he gets his emotional health and healing from. Look, if it is working for him just as the way things are, who am I to change that and who am I to decide, what works for him. That is his cross to bear.
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Post by tnr9 on Apr 12, 2018 1:04:53 GMT
P's here often tend to point to the severity of their ex partners issues while minimizing their own. Maybe their self assessment is accurate, maybe not. But a lot of AP partners are only "slightly anxious" or "situationally anxious" or "secure but i took bad advice" or somehow healthier than the partners they are on the internet posting about. I don't assume that this assessment is correct, and i don't assume it isn't.
I just want to mention that this is not true across the board regarding APs....I never came to these boards to magnify Bs issues while diminishing my own...if anything I cam here because I knew my issues and wanted to try to understand B better. 🙂
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 2:00:57 GMT
P's here often tend to point to the severity of their ex partners issues while minimizing their own. Maybe their self assessment is accurate, maybe not. But a lot of AP partners are only "slightly anxious" or "situationally anxious" or "secure but i took bad advice" or somehow healthier than the partners they are on the internet posting about. I don't assume that this assessment is correct, and i don't assume it isn't. I just want to mention that this is not true across the board regarding APs....I never came to these boards to magnify Bs issues while diminishing my own...if anything I cam here because I knew my issues and wanted to try to understand B better. 🙂 it's absolutely not true across the board- i do see it quite a bit from new posters, inquiring about their partner or ex partner tho. I see a lot of "mildly anxious" posters posting about "deeply avoidant" partners and i just kind of suspect that the balance is a little more equal, based in the content of the posts. It's hard to say of course, but repeated attempts to influence an ex partner by educating them about their dysfunction (being met with resistance) and then making internet inquiries seeking further advice about how to educate an ex partner about their dysfunction (who isn't interested or openly receptive), seems like pretty preoccupied and codependent behavior to me. i think it can be difficult to recognize or accept one's own level of dysfunction without honest feedback, which i think is helpful and readily available on this forum.
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Post by tnr9 on Apr 12, 2018 2:23:06 GMT
P's here often tend to point to the severity of their ex partners issues while minimizing their own. Maybe their self assessment is accurate, maybe not. But a lot of AP partners are only "slightly anxious" or "situationally anxious" or "secure but i took bad advice" or somehow healthier than the partners they are on the internet posting about. I don't assume that this assessment is correct, and i don't assume it isn't. I just want to mention that this is not true across the board regarding APs....I never came to these boards to magnify Bs issues while diminishing my own...if anything I cam here because I knew my issues and wanted to try to understand B better. 🙂 it's absolutely not true across the board- i do see it quite a bit from new posters, inquiring about their partner or ex partner tho. I see a lot of "mildly anxious" posters posting about "deeply avoidant" partners and i just kind of suspect that the balance is a little more equal, based in the content of the posts. It's hard to say of course, but repeated attempts to influence an ex partner by educating them about their dysfunction (being met with resistance) and then making internet inquiries seeking further advice about how to educate an ex partner about their dysfunction (who isn't interested or openly receptive), seems like pretty preoccupied and codependent behavior to me. i think it can be difficult to recognize or accept one's own level of dysfunction without honest feedback, which i think is helpful and readily available on this forum. I totally get it....understanding attachment theory to work on your own issues is one thing....trying to learn about attachment theory so that you can use it to try to educate someone else is quite a different matter altogether. The first leads to growth and hopefully a better appreciation for those with other styles. 😀
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Post by guest on Apr 12, 2018 3:40:28 GMT
Well I'll pipe up. For reasons other than wanting to get them back, I directed my lovely little "ex avoidant" to this forum. I just told them it gave me a better understanding of myself. If you don't necessarily want to win them back, how much harm can it do? What are they going to do, dump you even more. ;-P
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 3:45:58 GMT
Well I'll pipe up. For reasons other than wanting to get them back, I directed my lovely little "ex avoidant" to this forum. I just told them it gave me a better understanding of myself. If you don't necessarily want to win them back, how much harm can it do? What are they going to do, dump you even more. ;-P and i shared information with my partner when we were apart, avoidant to avoidant, with no plan for reconciliation. and yet, here we are reconciled lol! Two DA, no less! my opinion, once is good, with no motive....and allowing a person to direct their own discovery after that- but trying to get them to see it after you've already shared, well, maybe time to do some reading yourself
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Post by gulrot on Apr 12, 2018 7:22:20 GMT
I've read up on the different attachment types already, and I can't say I can highly relate to the anxious types. I self-reflect a lot due to being anxious in the past, and have worked on improving for over half a decade. I can get your intentions of wanting to educate me, but I've already done the research and am self-aware enough to figure out where on the spectre I am. As I mentioned, I am fully aware that I used to be extremely anxious and can no longer identify with most of those problems. And also is not related to my question in the first place :/ But thanks for your concern regarding it nonetheless.
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