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Post by Gay anxious on Nov 17, 2016 23:19:02 GMT
Has anyone else noticed that after you are no longer in a relationship with an avoidant but maintain contact, for whatever reason i.e. children, shared pet, friends, etc. that their actions that you found incredibly hurtful no longer bother you? I have recently begun to communicate with my ex again as I need someone to watch my pet for the holidays and he loved her very much, also we need to begin filing paperwork on our divorce among other bureaucratic issues. It has certainly stirred up emotions, futile holes, and such, but I have maintained my resolve that getting back together would be bad for both of us. That said his terse responses and incredibly long response times don't seem to phase me like they did when I was with him. Is this because my attachment system is no longer trying to demand I ensure his availability or is something else at work?
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Post by clare on Nov 18, 2016 9:23:36 GMT
I would say this is a good thing and it means you have processed the breakup both consciously and subconsciously and though you may still be grieving you have accepted it. Take comfort and relief in the fact that you don't have to deal with this behaviour anymore, and perhaps it can make you feel better knowing that this is his behaviour and nothing to do with you.
I remember when I finally ended with an ex narcissist (years ago), it took forever to process and internalise everything I'd learned about narcissism but when I finally did, I remember the relief I felt if I would get some random crazy message from him - I could read it like I would read an example in a narcissist book and think, wow, textbook, rather than feel there was anything personal at all.
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Post by Lily on Nov 18, 2016 20:16:16 GMT
Clare - he definitely sounds dismissive to me. Your story sounds so familiar! Right down to the -let's go away together question - but once you agree it's like you've done the worst thing in the world!
You ask - what do you have to lose if you contact him again? I feel like this might just set you back. They don't feel the same as us. They have shut down that part. So contacting him will just result in more of the same. It's a difficult pill to swallow but I feel like what you have to lose is the healing time. Thinking you will contact him in the future is just keeping th wound open. Believe me. I'm right there with you. Letting go is a lesson I'm currently trying to teach myself
Take care.
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Post by clare on Nov 19, 2016 11:05:33 GMT
Thanks for that Lily, you are absolutely right. I'm not doing myself any favours by keeping it alive in my head. Just makes me so angry, that he sought me out, pursued me the whoooosh, gone. I think deep down he does want it, and I think when he asked me to go away with him, he did mean it, and when he talks about wanting to be married, he wants that. I suppose he just doesn't have the tools to ever make it happen. Like an analogy I read somewhere- a person in a wheelchair who's biggest dream is running a marathon, they may be able to stand up out of the wheelchair and take a few steps, but the marathon ain't gonna happen. I guess it's a spectrum as well, as we can see on here, dismissives can have relationships but the one thing they seem to have in common is self-awareness, which is one thing I don't think my guy has. Keeping in contact is not going to give him some sort of epiphany, and I need to keep telling myself that.
Good luck to you on your healing journey...is sucks because we never asked to be put here!
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Post by Lily on Nov 19, 2016 15:47:45 GMT
Clare- yes! I agree with everything you've said. I'm also angry but I'm waiting for that to pass so I can heal. My friend likened it to a bicycle accident. Right now I'm raw and scraped up, and want to scream at the world. I guess we can take comfort in the fact that we got out quickly.
I think we need a support group! Every time you feel like slipping and contacting him, contact the support group instead!
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Post by clare on Nov 19, 2016 20:24:30 GMT
I was just thinking about it - the first time he got in touch with me. We went out on our date, had a fabulous time. He texted me from the taxi after having dropped me off at home saying what a wonderful night etc etc hopefully see you soon. He called me the next day, I was going on holiday that day. We'd been discussing the best way to get to the airport as there were major traffic problems, anyway, when I finally got to the airport, I sent a text saying it had taken over three hours to get there and I had almost missed the flight. No response. Then I texted him mid-way through the week just to say I was having a nice time, sitting on my balcony watching some beach disco that looked weird...anyway, again, no response. So I was thinking WTF? Then a few days after I got back I got a message saying, are you back? how was your holiday? It was really weird. I thought maybe he hadn't got my messages but then the next time I saw him he referred to the 3 hours getting to the airport. I spent the holiday anxious because I didn't know where I stood, even though there was every indication after the date and initial follow-up that he really liked me. And then I felt like an idiot for being anxious after just one date. It wasn't normal. The whole thing wore me down.
Yes we should start a support group!
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Post by katy on Nov 19, 2016 20:56:45 GMT
I agree - a support group is a great idea. Many people here seem to have interacted with a similar, unique personality type and when it first happens, it's a very confusing, lonely feeling because everybody else thinks you're crazy. I have personally found that by trying to help other people, I've gotten more clarity on what happened to me. So, in a way, these forums are a type of support group. And, I'm sure that we're helping other people who are reading posts and getting help processing what happened to them.
Some of the narcissistic abuse gurus have forums on their Web sites or request comments on their blog articles where people can connect. I think that several of them also have Facebook support groups.
My experience is that as time moves on, the avoidant's initial charm wears off and it becomes easier to understand how an avoidant's push / pull method of controlling a relationship can be very difficult to cope with.
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Post by Gay anxious on Nov 20, 2016 1:17:43 GMT
So he showed up today to get keys so he could watch my cat while I am gone and he made this stupid smile he used to always make when he was happy to see me. He looked down at the ground a lot to hide it. Every time we have run into each other he has basically pretended not to see me. Is this just a programmed response? I've never had an ex before so I'm not sure what to expect I just assumed as an avoidant he would not feel any positive feelings for me anymore. I know I shouldn't care regardless but it has thrown me off balance.
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Post by Lily on Nov 20, 2016 18:55:37 GMT
Sorry you had to go through this meeting. I can only imagine how this encounter has pulled on your heartstrings and made the feelings rise to the surface again. Be strong. Things will get better. You're out of this for a reason, even though on days like this it may seem that those reasons aren't very powerful. Just remember your judgement is currently clouded. Sometimes we only see what we want to - and a smile takes on more meaning than it actually contains. Take care.
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Post by gaynxious on Nov 28, 2016 0:33:54 GMT
My ex seems to be putting off meeting to go over the divorce paperwork. I'd like to get everything filed before the end of the year and he will be out of town for ten days so we need to get started. Why would he put this off? He's the one that wants the divorce! I would think he'd be appreciative to cut as many ties as possible to no longer be associated with me.
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Post by Rose on Dec 5, 2016 3:09:34 GMT
Lily, Katy and Clare I would also love to have some sort of support group, this forum is really only what's keeping me sane right now....
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Post by lily on Dec 5, 2016 4:58:06 GMT
Hi Rose - sorry to hear you're struggling. I totally understand how talking about this with someone who is right there with you - or has been there - is very helpful. These forums have been a godsend. I'm glad they're offering you some solace.
Feel free to PM me if you're more comfortable to chat privately. Otherwise - we're all here for you.
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Post by jenn on Dec 25, 2016 13:44:32 GMT
I'm getting over a 2 year relationship with a AD man. We have been split up since Sept. He recently has texted me just telling me he's putting something in the mail for me.. However he had forwarded mail to me before without texting me...
Anyway, I'm contemplating texting him today to wish him a Merry Christmas... I really don't expect him to reply.. By me doing this, will I come across to him as needy?
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Post by gaynxious on Dec 25, 2016 19:15:48 GMT
Text him if you want. What he thinks no longer matters. Just be prepared for no response, which it sounds like you have.
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Post by Jen on Dec 25, 2016 19:30:55 GMT
I don't think I would bother contacting him. Self-respect, pride etc. However, I am probably not the best person to give advice at the moment, as I am acting on gut instinct, rather than generosity of spirit. My very long-term DA boyfriend didn't text or email today to say Merry Christmas or thank you for his very carefully considered presents. I wasn't concerned at first as he is staying somewhere remote and without wifi etc. But at 5.30pm, I see a Facebook post to his followers saying where he is, and what a great time he is having. He has been in a city - in a wifi zone.
Texted him to say Merry Christmas, glad to see on FB that you are having a nice time, and hope that you liked the presents (it was a very matter of fact text to mak a point). Got an instant reply back - can we talk later - I will write later etc. Supposed to meeting up in two days for sometime together. I won't be going. He will now spend ages writing convoluted emails etc to persuade me to still go. A 5 second - merry Christmas, thank you for the lovely present was all that was necessary. Enough's enough.
DA or bad manners?
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