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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 16:34:49 GMT
God, I'm so glad I made this thread. I've been honest with him and said how I feel. I had been keeping how I felt a secret and the more intense our interactions got the more sick I felt. I actually started coughing from the nerves. After I explained how I felt I instantly felt much better. I really needed to be told that it wasn't me, that I didn't just have to open up, that something beyond me and whatever insecurity I may have, was wrong. Thank you to everyone who has commented, and a special thank you to juniper. aha!! your post gave me chills and so this is an instance of knowing my intuition was operating to protect you, as i wished i had been able to protect myself. I did consider that perhaps it was just my avoidance talking but quickly pressed "create post" to just offer what my first impression was. With a narcissist, they will use whatever hook they think will get you. I read you responding to what could be love bombing and could see, that's your hook. the romance. If a narc used love bombing on me, i would have been safe. i would have been repelled. the narc that preyed on me saw that apparently. This is where you have to understand your own gut and inner self more than you need to understand someone else! So glad you can back this down and begin to honor yourself- that's the work.
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Post by nailpolishremover on Aug 6, 2018 16:49:39 GMT
I feel like he's this way because he's never been in a relationship, and is depressed. He's also told me he (might?) have aspergers. The thought has occurred to me that, even though he might like me, he might also just want someone, anyone. But I feel like if this is mostly due to inexperience, depression and the likes, I think I'm willing to be a friend, and I'm still open for more later one, maybe, but in order to see if this can go further we just really need to take it easy.
"This is where you have to understand your own gut and inner self more than you need to understand someone else!" <<< I'm keeping this quote. I feel like I too often doubt my own reality and perception and think I'm wrong or insecure, and that I'd potentially miss out on an experience if I close myself off.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 17:03:50 GMT
I feel like he's this way because he's never been in a relationship, and is depressed. He's also told me he (might?) have aspergers. The thought has occurred to me that, even though he might like me, he might also just want someone, anyone. But I feel like if this is mostly due to inexperience, depression and the likes, I think I'm willing to be a friend, and I'm still open for more later one, maybe, but in order to see if this can go further we just really need to take it easy. "This is where you have to understand your own gut and inner self more than you need to understand someone else!" <<< I'm keeping this quote. I feel like I too often doubt my own reality and perception and think I'm wrong or insecure, and that I'd potentially miss out on an experience if I close myself off. yes, the potential for other explanations exists- and as you know, only time will tell. The thing is- no matter what the other person is operating on- we get caught by OUR OWN PATTERN. its our own narrative that keeps us stuck, and it can keep us stuck to a variety of bad situations. Our own attachment insecurity seems to adapt to affirm itself- until we become conscious and aware and question the narrative. My narrative has always said- your feelings don't matter. so much so, i couldn't even discern what my feelings were. each of us types will have our own inner dialog that keeps us looping. If we can change that; then it doesn't matter what others do to potentially harm us because we won't be unconsciously on board with it- we will be making conscious decisions out of self love and self respect. The only way to separate the truth in ourselves from the lies is to develop an openness to listen to all of it and examine it instead of just thinking, behaving, feeling, reacting habitually.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 17:27:29 GMT
To side track the discussion slightly, how do narcissists know who is a potential partner (supply) and who is not? If they spend time with someone and realise they have their defences up do they give up quickly and move on? Or do they persist? Is anyone fair game (anxious types are the usual targets I believe) ? brokenbiscuit - there are various sites that explain how narcissists know: if you are kind, open, thoughtful, giving, etc (i.e. 'nice' things), they can see it straight away. Here are some pointers (in case it's not obvious, I suffered greatly at the hands of narcissists, which is why I found these): Richard Grannon helps (greatly) with narcissistic abuse and C-PTSD (which I was diagnosed with) Baggage Reclaim is a very down to earth advice site Melanie Tonia Evans Lisa A Romano Sam Vaknin is a narcissist who writes / podcasts / youtubes about it.
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Post by brokenbiscuit on Aug 6, 2018 17:30:22 GMT
Yeah, seen a lot of those sites. Sam Vaknin is fascinating
I just wondered if they only go for the open, anxious, romantic giving types, or what happens when they come across someone who is more guarded/has their defences up? Do they persist with these types or do they bail early to find easier supply?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 17:34:25 GMT
Yeah, seen a lot of those sites. Sam Vaknin is fascinating I just wondered if they only go for the open, anxious, romantic giving types, or what happens when they come across someone who is more guarded/has their defences up? Do they persist with these types or do they bail early to find easier supply? as i wrote earlier, they didn't use love bombing on me as i am not the open anxious romantic type. they adjust.
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Post by anne12 on Aug 6, 2018 17:38:35 GMT
Nailpolishremover Intuition: The body, never lies. If we do something that contradicts our own deepest truth, with our intuition, we block the life energy, and the body reacts with a sense of malaise, a contraction. However, when we follow our intuition and act in accordance with our deepest sense of things, we feel more alive and less blocked. We experience a greater "flow" in our lives. Do you feel a sense of well-being in the body, a sense of joy and inspiration, something that opens or expands? Or do you feel a discomfort, something that pulls together or closes. Listen to what the body tells you. Do you want to throw up? Does your body feels heavy or light? Be carefull with people with asperger (in relationships). They have mindblindness, so that it can be difficult for them, to read you. You can also look up OTRS / Cassandra phenomenon. www.faaas.org/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 19:24:05 GMT
Yeah, seen a lot of those sites. Sam Vaknin is fascinating I just wondered if they only go for the open, anxious, romantic giving types, or what happens when they come across someone who is more guarded/has their defences up? Do they persist with these types or do they bail early to find easier supply? as i wrote earlier, they didn't use love bombing on me as i am not the open anxious romantic type. they adjust. Yes - I've seen the same narcissist/s work on others (mostly non-romantic, including me), so the 'love-bombing' was anything that pulled the target in, the target being someone who has something that the N wants (adoration, praise, social status - any form or power), and who is not necessary an AP.
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 6, 2018 23:24:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 23:44:43 GMT
ugh, that's what my therapist said. i was so PISSED that he saw my strengths and talents and had to exalt himself over me like a bully. And i was so surprised too because everything i read about narcissists at the time described love bombing. I didn't even spend a bunch of time with the narcissist, and he never hardly even flirted with me or complimented me. i totally missed any signs. What i felt uncomfortable with was how he refused to agree to disagree and i would find myself in these circular crazy making conversations. i would distance by exiting because i felt so angry and manipulated. but i thought it was good for me to go calm down and try to reason. It was all insidious, and didn't get really bad until we moved in together. This was STILL part of what i though was a great arrangement for both of us as he didn't seem to need too much time together . i didn't know anything about attachment style but i as very dismissive at the time. I thought how i was in relationship was just average but it turns out, dismissive is a thing. Anyway- my point is, i missed this all, i think, because i was dismissive! an anxious person might miss it, because of their anxious attachment. The marc will knownhow best to manipulate whoever it is they need something from it seems. Not knowing our internal cues makes us all vulnerable .
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Post by nailpolishremover on Aug 7, 2018 0:05:34 GMT
Nailpolishremover Intuition: The body, never lies. If we do something that contradicts our own deepest truth, with our intuition, we block the life energy, and the body reacts with a sense of malaise, a contraction. However, when we follow our intuition and act in accordance with our deepest sense of things, we feel more alive and less blocked. We experience a greater "flow" in our lives. Do you feel a sense of well-being in the body, a sense of joy and inspiration, something that opens or expands? Or do you feel a discomfort, something that pulls together or closes. Listen to what the body tells you. Do you want to throw up? Does your body feels heavy or light? Be carefull with people with asperger (in relationships). They have mindblindness, so that it can be difficult for them, to read you. You can also look up OTRS / Cassandra phenomenon. www.faaas.org/At first I was feeling good, then after a conversation he said something that stuck out and rubbed me the wrong way, ever since then it's just felt weird/bad. I told him about feeling like it was all being rushed (after 9 days of talking he asked me to be his girlfriend...I basically said no) but that I still wanted to be his friend and get to know him. After that I felt way better. I felt like I could talk to him and be around him without it being weird. I thought about the asperger's today, after I had told him, he took it very well and agreed we had been moving fast / that he was also feeling a bit anxious over it. Perhaps I just need to be blunt (honest with myself and with him)? He's fairly empathetic and introspective from what I've been able to tell, so far.
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Post by brokenbiscuit on Aug 7, 2018 0:52:21 GMT
I think a gentle "let's slow this down and see how it goes" is the best approach, but it looks like you have already reached that conclusion 👍. He's admitted he's anxious which seems about right going by his reactions. Hey, he likes you! It's good you haven't turned your back on him and you reached out to keep things going. I think that's the right approach, but yes, as others have said, remain aware. But I think that's good general advice we should all follow in all aspects of life ☺️
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 3:24:14 GMT
and, if it is that he is safe and has aspergers, there are resources to help you both navigate his wiring.
Keep your focus on your own authenticity and any issue you have, first and foremost, for the best experience.
Have you taken an attachment style test, just to know where you are at with that? Jeb has a link to one if you google it.
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Post by notalone on Aug 7, 2018 16:01:55 GMT
My narrative has always said- your feelings don't matter. so much so, i couldn't even discern what my feelings were. The only way to separate the truth in ourselves from the lies is to develop an openness to listen to all of it and examine it instead of just thinking, behaving, feeling, reacting habitually. juniper - This is one of my biggest struggles. I find it so hard to know what I feel, want and need. I constantly doubting myself and unsure what's real, what's I'm fear and what's anxiety.
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Post by nailpolishremover on Aug 7, 2018 20:46:28 GMT
and, if it is that he is safe and has aspergers, there are resources to help you both navigate his wiring. Keep your focus on your own authenticity and any issue you have, first and foremost, for the best experience. Have you taken an attachment style test, just to know where you are at with that? Jeb has a link to one if you google it. I had taken it a while ago and the largest percentages were split between FA & AP, with AP being the winner by a tiny bit. The reason I've posted as FA is because others who are FA (or at least claim to be) have asked me if I am also, due to things I've said. I think my thought process is similar to both FA & AP, but in terms of how it manifests through behavior, I think I am slightly more FA rather than AP.
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