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Post by tnr9 on Aug 18, 2018 12:19:29 GMT
Now that things appear real with regards to B moving on....I am finding it harder to have the generous spirit I want to have for him. I keep reminding myself that if I truly love him, I love him even if he chooses someone else. But my words and thoughts are not congruent. I am stuck and not sure what the healthiest direction is to move forward.
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Post by ocarina on Aug 18, 2018 13:06:16 GMT
Now that things appear real with regards to B moving on....I am finding it harder to have the generous spirit I want to have for him. I keep reminding myself that if I truly love him, I love him even if he chooses someone else. But my words and thoughts are not congruent. I am stuck and not sure what the healthiest direction is to move forward. I think it is a healthy part of healing to have some kind of anger at the person who has been lost. You're a human, it's easy to confuse love with some kind of attraction conditional upon another persons behaviour - I think that in order not to have judgement about someone else it's important to be able to accept all parts of ourselves - including the thoughts and feelings that are less than beautiful. Maybe this is your work here - accept you feel whatever, accept your experience without judging it - it may not be what you want to feel, but it is your current reality, doesn't mean you have to act upon it or buy into it.
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 18, 2018 13:43:04 GMT
Thanks ocarina....the last few days have been very tough...lots of crying, lots of regret, lots of self blame, lots of hopelessness....I am tired and scared and I feel like the worst parts of who I am are having a field day. I don't understand why this is so hard for me and yet it is so easy for him. I am not trying to compare, just noticing this and trying to be curious. Why can't I find my way back to friendship....what are the blockers? Under it all, I do love him....but I am not feeling or thinking or even acting loving so I feel 10,000 steps behind where he is. I know I will come out of this...but man...do I feel raw today.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 14:03:52 GMT
hi tnr9i'm glad to see you able to feel anger, even though i know it doesn't fit with who and how you'd like to be and feel. it's ok. remember that what you feel, you don't have to change- you just have to feel it and let it be without coercing it to be something else. your little girl inside has been in the driver's seat with this relationship, and i know you are aware of that. It's been her longing, her hope, her magical thinking, her fear, her confusion, her abandonment and despair, her heartbreak, and it's her anger. and she needs your help with it. she needs you to help her see that it's YOU she needs to trust. It's your love she needs, it's your wisdom, discernment, and protection she needs. She needs you to listen carefully to all that she feels and she needs you yourself to see, that she can't drive the car any more. She doesn't have the skill, she needs your adult self to take over. she needs to be safely strapped in the back seat while you navigate these adult situations with her well being in mind. This man is not a bad man, you are not a bad woman. This is a situation where two people with divergent agendas and desires converged, and made a bit of a mess. Two little kids, essentially, running the show. That's what happens in these dysfunctional and unbalanced relationships. We are driven by unconscious, ingrained patterns and beliefs and ways of interacting. we all are. and it hurts when we crash. You've done very well at recognizing your inner child, but you've denied her the guidance she needs to get through this safely at times. You shared with me the reason that this man found himself unable to continue the relationship in the way you desired, and it wasn't personal, it was a difference between you two that was nobody's fault at all. And i remember that when i directed you back to that reason, you became very sad because your little girl didn't want to accept it, so you chose to honor her feelings instead of honoring the feelings of the man that you were engaging with. she held on with hope to what was already decided and her poor hands are torn up. i'm very sorry about that pain, i am very sorry and i know it myself. I am not at all coming from a place of judgement or harsh intent. I'm actually trying to encourage you to embrace this anger and the fallout of this whole situation as the final straw when it comes to letting your internal fears and misunderstandings (personified as your inner child) drive your choices. Don't push that little girl away, but do tuck her safely behind your hip as you stand up to this whole dynamic as an adult who sees clearly, that mistakes were made, people got hurt, and it's time to change direction decisively. Little tnr9 will have anger, disillusionment, sorrow, pain, all of it. don't hush her. The adult part of you is very generous, very kind, very loving, very wise. It's just the little part of you that needs a safe space to feel all this so it can come out and be understood, and transformed. You yourself are that safe space. we are your safe space also. Seeing the damage done to that wounded girl, might inspire a fierce protective anger in yourself, and a mature maternal instinct that emphasizes self-reliance and discretion over a child-like reliance on others. It might inspire a different type of archetype to be strengthened in you. We all have these different aspects operating in ourselves- out child-selves and our adult selves vie for the reins all the time i think. We just have to remember that, and keep working with it. Big hugs, and please understand that i'm not shaming little tnr9, i'm going her a big warm hug and asking her to listen to you, because i've seen that when you can get her calmed down you really have a lot of wisdom and empowerment, and a lot to offer others.
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 18, 2018 15:01:38 GMT
Thanks juniper ...you are so right...the break up was not anything that I could have changed. I am grateful for your guidance back to self and to the adult...because it is true that when I can achieve that space, that mountain top view...I have the most capacity to see things authentically. I love when I can get there..it is like a big sigh and a huge weight lifted off of me. The adult is expansive, generous, accepting, compassionate...she sees the greater picture the 50,000 foot view and she can make choices that the little girl cannot. I love my little girl..for all her hope, her joy, her love, her hugginess....she is beautiful, creative, loyal, protective, empathetic, caring, kind, understanding, silly, grace giving. And you are right again that she has been running the show a lot....and she has some truly deep emeshment wounds, she takes things personally, she doesn't see in grades of grey..everything is black/white, everything is her fault, she doesn't see options/choices as much as she is reacting out of feeling like there are no options, anger is a no no, sadness is a burden, she can't see any faults in the person she loves..but she can speak to every single fault in her.. I will be honest juniper ..so much of this has been unconcious...so much of this has been bouncing between states...and now with the medication, this site and some new awareness..I am bouncing even more. So the question is..how does one bounce back from the child state and not indulge in it? I find that when I am distraught, I cannot talk myself back to center..I have to lay/sit in it until it passes.
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 18, 2018 15:13:48 GMT
Hey anne....the only thing that all of me is congruent about is that I want to be friends with B...but I agree that for now..that is likely something I need to table. I am not attending a community picnic. It is the first time in 8 years that I have not gone...but B is going and if I see him, it will just stir up feelings and I will likely regress..so I am choosing as the "60% adult" to not go...I am trying to think of a treat that I can give my little girl instead because I have already sensed a desire to go to the picnic out of a misguided hope.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 16:19:10 GMT
DO your little girl know that you excist? Stay with friends, make yourself a nice dinner after a hot bath. Maybe your adult self can show you "The bonus familiy" on Netflix. Seeing yourself from the outside. One of the guys (the bald one) can not let go of his ex wife. He is still wearing his wedding ring. But she is pregnant and have moved in with another man. www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpUjGlUl9Qgyes- make sure your little girl knows you exist. show your adult self to her. she"kk feel safer.
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 18, 2018 17:20:50 GMT
Good question anne...by the time I or someone else from this board recognizes she is there...she is 100% in her stuff and the only time the two even meet is when I am in the adult space and can sense her in the background. That is when I come here and talk about her in a loving way...when I still have capacity...but the moment I trip over ( and it happens so very fast) I am fully in child. She doesn't trust anyone and this is where I slip into my own flavor of FA because as much as she wants love, she doesn't trust it..she questions motives, she thinks it won't last. I have been doing some imagery work..primarily I have been trying to have images of her with her velveteen rabbit and with B there to show her that he is separate from the object of affection she clings to. Sometimes it works...most times...he and the velveteen rabbit are one to her. Gosh I sound so very odd don't I. juniper...I want to be the good adult...but I also don't want to be the "parent" if you know what I mean. That exists in me too...it exists in all of us...the caretakers voice and judgements. I really think the girl needs to get mad, really mad...but I think the first person she would unleash that on is the adult and I don't know if I can stay adult if she is angry...what do you suggest?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 17:30:41 GMT
Good question anne...by the time I or someone else from this board recognizes she is there...she is 100% in her stuff and the only time the two even meet is when I am in the adult space and can sense her in the background. That is when I come here and talk about her in a loving way...when I still have capacity...but the moment I trip over ( and it happens so very fast) I am fully in child. She doesn't trust anyone and this is where I slip into my own flavor of FA because as much as she wants love, she doesn't trust it..she questions motives, she thinks it won't last. I have been doing some imagery work..primarily I have been trying to have images of her with her velveteen rabbit and with B there to show her that he is separate from the object of affection she clings to. Sometimes it works...most times...he and the velveteen rabbit are one to her. Gosh I sound so very odd don't I. juniper...I want to be the good adult...but I also don't want to be the "parent" if you know what I mean. That exists in me too...it exists in all of us...the caretakers voice and judgements. I really think the girl needs to get mad, really mad...but I think the first person she would unleash that on is the adult and I don't know if I can stay adult if she is angry...what do you suggest? i disagree with you completely, and here is why. i am a parent, a seasoned parent. and a grandmother. i am fully comfortable with the emotions of my children. what your little girl may fail to see is the good side of authority. the strong, reasonable, wise, and disciplined authoritative voice. Every child needs a good parent, and it's time for you to cultivate that in yourself since you didn't receive the parenting that made you flourish. if you can't handle the anger of little tbr9 she will continue to run the show. turn all the caretaking and tolerance and wisdom you have to B and his darker behaviors (which you admit are there) onto little tnr9 and handle her tantrum. parents are not all bad and oppressive. be a good parent, be the parent you didn't have. if you are not willing to do that just hand her the reins. all children need compassion, discipline and direction. little tbr9 is no exception and your hesitance to provide it for her is why she runs the show. you have chosen to stay stuck to honor her feelings, at times. a child without parental control runs amok. you can do it you just need to practice. she won't destroy you. you will find your feet. a good parent has to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 17:36:28 GMT
for my own ego i am going to insert here that i am a young, hot grandma. hahaha! ok, enough of that and back to the task at hand. find your wise mother and cultivate her. every woman has this in her.
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 18, 2018 17:48:27 GMT
juniper...That is very sage advice....and you have caught me in a bit of reluctance there...darn it.....I am in a bit of a weird place..but....whether adult/child or hybrid.....I want someone else to take care of the collective me...it's entitlement that says...I cannot handle you, thus someone else should handle you....not unlike the message I got from my mom. I think if I had children, I would have had to grow out of that a long time ago...but I don't..thus...that perspective is still there. Sigh...ok....I want to do this Juniper...I want to stop this cycle of looking to the "other" and blaming myself.....so I will try some work on that today. If anyone has suggestions on being the good parent or any other resources to help...let me know.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 17:53:55 GMT
juniper ...That is very sage advice....and you have caught me in a bit of reluctance there...darn it.....I am in a bit of a weird place..but....whether adult/child or hybrid.....I want someone else to take care of the collective me...it's entitlement that says...I cannot handle you, thus someone else should handle you....not unlike the message I got from my mom. I think if I had children, I would have had to grow out of that a long time ago...but I don't..thus...that perspective is still there. Sigh...ok....I want to do this Juniper...I want to stop this cycle of looking to the "other" and blaming myself.....so I will try some work on that today. If anyone has suggestions on being the good parent or any other resources to help...let me know. there you go. the willingness is there. i can tell you, my life with my kids was shit and drama when i was parenting from a fearful place. you know full well, what messages your parents told you. Good! Now, what about tnr9? what do you want to teach her? what do you want her to believe? what kind of woman do you want her to grow up to be? show her that. be that example. who do you want to be? dont let her play in the street just because she wants to- you know the danger, she doesn't. don't let her eat cake for breakfast even tho she wants it. you know what she needs, is different from what she wants.
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Post by alexandra on Aug 18, 2018 18:07:04 GMT
I am in a bit of a weird place..but....whether adult/child or hybrid.....I want someone else to take care of the collective me...it's entitlement that says...I cannot handle you, thus someone else should handle you.... That's not entitlement, so you don't need to be so hard on yourself (unless you find being hard on yourself motivating, then keep it up! ) What it is, is recognizing that something is difficult and uncomfortable and you don't know how to do it / aren't practiced at doing it. It is also a very AP-entrenched attitude. I "can't" do it myself but "can" look to others to do it for me. But that's not true, because you can do it -- better than someone else can do it for you, in fact. It sounds like you're at a really strong point, of honesty with yourself, and awareness and acknowledgement of where you're at. The next step is the hardest: doing what feels counter-intuitive. But it is also going to be one of the most rewarding. It will be well worth it to feel the sense of relief and accomplishment when you get through to the other side of this... first steps in healing that you won't get from letting someone else take the reigns. I think juniper is giving really good guidance, here. And we're in your corner. You've got this!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 18:13:48 GMT
tnr9 you actually have a lot of insight and wisdom cultivated already, just not the experience of applying it in the calm and strong way of an authoratative woman has a vision for her future and a solid plan to accomplish it. you've not yet empowered yourself in the way you are about to- but you'll quickly begin to reap the rewards of this shift. just keep going. i think you're on the cusp of a tremendous breakthrough and you've earned it.
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Post by leavethelighton on Aug 18, 2018 19:50:16 GMT
IN terms of your original post, I think sometimes generosity is the result of healing from something, not the cause. Like, let yourself feel what you feel. It's fine if you feel angry, selfish, hurt, even if you have some secret bad wishes for awhile. Don't get caught in those feelings based on potentially false assumptions (like if you're endlessly angry because you think his behavior means he doesn't care, when the reality is it isn't possible to know what he does or doesn't feel, work on recognizing the assumptions you are making are problematic)... but all emotions really are okay.
Eventually when you're ready, the generosity will be easy. You don't have to be some perfect emotionally divine sage. In the meantime, let your emotional reality be your emotional reality. If you can't really wish him well inside now, that's fine. Someday you will be able to.
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