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Post by ocarina on Oct 27, 2018 21:51:22 GMT
I think it's a two way street here - extreme anxiety can trigger fear of abandonment when there is no grounds - but the fear that comes from an unstable relationship that is not reciprocal is very real and is justified. Being accepting at your own expense is extremely damaging and can lead to normalising, over time, what is is essence a toxic dynamic. If it's confusing then you have your answer - nobody wants to be in an ambiguous relationship - does this relationship bring out the best in you? Maybe the push pull keeps you hooked and if so it's an indicator that some introspection may be required on your part. I was in a relationship with a similar dynamic on both our parts - it was destabilising and led to a loss of intimacy and trust. In the same relationship now but with a completely different dynamic and a culture of openess and willingness to be vulnerable on both sides, the fear and anxiety has almost totally gone. I thought that by being accepting I could change the dynamic - in fact being accepting just stuffed down my human need to love and led nowhere. Many of us are extremely good at Dealing With Things by numbing, or ignoring needs and feelings - this is not the way the road to freedom and contentment lies. Glad you’re doing well now...how did you and your partner turn the dynamic around? Were you both willing to communicate openly and committed to making changes In yourselves? A long story. I was on my own journey throughout our relationship and gradually came to realise that I was worth more than suppressing my needs - that life is precious and that I wanted to live it honestly, fully and authentically. I was able to communicate this and he basically shut down - my worst fear. Stopped communicating, for almost 18 months and I dragged my way through the worst and most true period of mourning I had ever experienced. But i did it, i accepted what I felt and what i had lost, I felt sad, angry, hopeless - thought it was all his fault and then eventually worked my way out the other side into a place of true acceptance by which I mean acceptance of my own contribution to our problems, of my own lack of emotional availability and honesty. It was a huge relief and a real feeling of freedom. Strangely enough, soon after he came back - having done some work himself - not for the sake of the relationship but for his own sake. I think this distinction is important - changing for the benefit of someone else, is much less likely to be lasting - although it appeals to our romantic ego! His work I supposed uncovered his own emotional life - and also meant that the denial which he had felt previously had been lifted and he was able to express love openly and honestly. It is still very much a work in progress and as it goes we learn more and more. Since the push pull dynamic ended we are left in a very different space and there has been a redefining of roles which is sometimes uncomfortable - particularly since i now realise that both of us lived somehow from the adrenaline rush of unavailability and without this to hide behind, being loving is a constant choice that we both make, rather than an overwhelming feeling.
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Post by epicgum on Oct 27, 2018 22:26:27 GMT
Glad you’re doing well now...how did you and your partner turn the dynamic around? Were you both willing to communicate openly and committed to making changes In yourselves? A long story. I was on my own journey throughout our relationship and gradually came to realise that I was worth more than suppressing my needs - that life is precious and that I wanted to live it honestly, fully and authentically. I was able to communicate this and he basically shut down - my worst fear. Stopped communicating, for almost 18 months and I dragged my way through the worst and most true period of mourning I had ever experienced. But i did it, i accepted what I felt and what i had lost, I felt sad, angry, hopeless - thought it was all his fault and then eventually worked my way out the other side into a place of true acceptance by which I mean acceptance of my own contribution to our problems, of my own lack of emotional availability and honesty. It was a huge relief and a real feeling of freedom. Strangely enough, soon after he came back - having done some work himself - not for the sake of the relationship but for his own sake. I think this distinction is important - changing for the benefit of someone else, is much less likely to be lasting - although it appeals to our romantic ego! His work I supposed uncovered his own emotional life - and also meant that the denial which he had felt previously had been lifted and he was able to express love openly and honestly. It is still very much a work in progress and as it goes we learn more and more. Since the push pull dynamic ended we are left in a very different space and there has been a redefining of roles which is sometimes uncomfortable - particularly since i now realise that both of us lived somehow from the adrenaline rush of unavailability and without this to hide behind, being loving is a constant choice that we both make, rather than an overwhelming feeling. Great post. It's crazy, the first time I read about insecure partnerships and about how you can be "addicted to the dance" I thought about a super dramatic relationship with lots of yelling, breaking up and making up and I thought "this isn't us" (I'm also highly skilled at denial!) But in retrospect I realize that even though we were very passive and polite and kind to each other, I (and to an extent she also) was using the drama of that unavailability to keep the excitement and sparks alive, rather than build excitement through intimacy, which is scary, because you might be rejected or you might find something that really scares you about your partner. It keeps you in the initial "pseudo-relationship" early stage of the relationship which has you both idealizing and anticipating the other rather than really knowing and experiencing them. I can see (and kind of have experienced) how seeing eachother "for real" rather than through the cloud of the dance could be very disillusioning at least at first, in part because you are missing the high of that excitement and instability.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 15:55:26 GMT
A long story. I was on my own journey throughout our relationship and gradually came to realise that I was worth more than suppressing my needs - that life is precious and that I wanted to live it honestly, fully and authentically. I was able to communicate this and he basically shut down - my worst fear. Stopped communicating, for almost 18 months and I dragged my way through the worst and most true period of mourning I had ever experienced. But i did it, i accepted what I felt and what i had lost, I felt sad, angry, hopeless - thought it was all his fault and then eventually worked my way out the other side into a place of true acceptance by which I mean acceptance of my own contribution to our problems, of my own lack of emotional availability and honesty. It was a huge relief and a real feeling of freedom. Strangely enough, soon after he came back - having done some work himself - not for the sake of the relationship but for his own sake. I think this distinction is important - changing for the benefit of someone else, is much less likely to be lasting - although it appeals to our romantic ego! His work I supposed uncovered his own emotional life - and also meant that the denial which he had felt previously had been lifted and he was able to express love openly and honestly. It is still very much a work in progress and as it goes we learn more and more. Since the push pull dynamic ended we are left in a very different space and there has been a redefining of roles which is sometimes uncomfortable - particularly since i now realise that both of us lived somehow from the adrenaline rush of unavailability and without this to hide behind, being loving is a constant choice that we both make, rather than an overwhelming feeling. Great post. It's crazy, the first time I read about insecure partnerships and about how you can be "addicted to the dance" I thought about a super dramatic relationship with lots of yelling, breaking up and making up and I thought "this isn't us" (I'm also highly skilled at denial!) But in retrospect I realize that even though we were very passive and polite and kind to each other, I (and to an extent she also) was using the drama of that unavailability to keep the excitement and sparks alive, rather than build excitement through intimacy, which is scary, because you might be rejected or you might find something that really scares you about your partner. It keeps you in the initial "pseudo-relationship" early stage of the relationship which has you both idealizing and anticipating the other rather than really knowing and experiencing them. I can see (and kind of have experienced) how seeing eachother "for real" rather than through the cloud of the dance could be very disillusioning at least at first, in part because you are missing the high of that excitement and instability.This is so true! It's disillusioning and heartbreaking. The feelings that come with that spark are very real and very hard to separate and see who the person really is. It's sort of like a feeling of coming out of a spell. At least that is how it seemed to me.
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