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Post by stephster on Oct 11, 2018 1:44:39 GMT
Just wondering how to deal with the FA in your life when they push away? How does it not eventually destroy trust? How can you enjoy those close times when you know you'll eventually be desolate again?
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Post by alexandra on Oct 11, 2018 2:11:55 GMT
If you're secure, you won't take it personally and you'll know that if you take the space being offered, it will flip back again at some point.
But is that how you want your relationship to be? Does it meet your needs enough that you're able to accept that behavior and not try to change the partner or dynamic (once you've directly communicated about it, shared what your own needs are, and had a dialog about it, of course).
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Post by tnr9 on Oct 11, 2018 2:23:58 GMT
Just wondering how to deal with the FA in your life when they push away? How does it not eventually destroy trust? How can you enjoy those close times when you know you'll eventually be desolate again? Can you rephrase it so that it isn't personal? Perhaps instead of looking at what it is meaning to you, can you instead be open to what it means for him? I am AP and my alarm bells would go off whenever I felt that B was pulling away...because I would not pull away unless there was a problem or I was angry at the other person. What I am learning from these forums is that time apart, pulling away can mean regaining another person's autonomy, it can mean regrouping self after enjoying time together. In no way am I saying that if he is flat out ignoring you, that you should tolerate that...but there is a natural ebb and flow in relationships. What worked for me was to remind myself that each and every time I felt afraid it was a fear that he would leave me...but he always returned after these breaks. Is there anything you can do to pamper yourself while he is pushing away?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 2:48:22 GMT
Just wondering how to deal with the FA in your life when they push away? How does it not eventually destroy trust? How can you enjoy those close times when you know you'll eventually be desolate again? Can you rephrase it so that it isn't personal? Perhaps instead of looking at what it is meaning to you, can you instead be open to what it means for him? I am AP and my alarm bells would go off whenever I felt that B was pulling away...because I would not pull away unless there was a problem or I was angry at the other person. What I am learning from these forums is that time apart, pulling away can mean regaining another person's autonomy, it can mean regrouping self after enjoying time together. In no way am I saying that if he is flat out ignoring you, that you should tolerate that...but there is a natural ebb and flow in relationships. What worked for me was to remind myself that each and every time I felt afraid it was a fear that he would leave me...but he always returned after these breaks. Is there anything you can do to pamper yourself while he is pushing away? Not sure how this might play a role here, but my fear is really that he is capable of hurting me at my most vulnerable without that emotional connection. He might not leave me physically, but if he stays in a relationship with me whilst pretending that he's emotionally invested, it opens up so many ways he can hurt me with no remorse (and I wouldn't be watching for these signs because I trusted him to care about my emotional well-being), that's a scarier thought than being left alone. that is why that emotional connection is so important, because for me, it represents safety in vulnerability, for both of us. the trust erodes when you're never sure if you can be safe in your vulnerability because you expose yourself to risks that are unstable and uncertain. There's a difference in normal ebb and flow versus strong emotional withdrawal - i think it's the extent of withdrawal and how one comes back to the relationship that matter before this erosion of trust starts. My DA started his first push phase and I had to pursue him, and it suddenly and violently ended when I visited him on a business trip. Meaning, he was suddenly all over me and simply pretended that nothing happened. for me, that was extremely traumatizing and i never really recovered from that, because how can i trust that the good times are actually real. It happens only when he feels like he wants or needs it, and it makes me feel like i'm his supply. there was also never really any sense making around it, and all he said was that he doesn't remember what happened and that he simply thought nothing was wrong. to him, that might be very true, but to me, he's gaslighting and manipulative, and I never trusted him again. I was emotionally reacting because that was how i connected with him - emotionally, but it is now clear to me that i cannot be 100% emotionally resonating with him, because any movement he makes creates a big reaction in me. This is one thing you must keep in mind - your emotional connection with him cannot be the only way you're connecting with him/her. If that is the way you're connecting, you are 100% linked to their emotional movements and everytime she/he does something, the reaction you'll have is 100%. you need to treat him as an independent unit that is slightly overlapping with you, but the majority of you is separated from him. i would say that you need to just be mindful of what happens during the push phase and take notes. No emotional reactions or investment, just see what this person is like in his/her push-pull phases, and see if that's something you want to deal with and how you can deal with. So things to note: behaviors during the push phase, behaviors when returning from the push, and behaviors during the pull phase, and how different and unstable those are. if they're just slightly different in intensity, i think it's alot easier to manage. but if those are intense difference, you need to make a good judgement of what you need in order to protect yourself and eventually, if it comes to it, how to communicate that with him/her.
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Post by epicgum on Oct 11, 2018 3:49:07 GMT
I think it would help if you recognize that it's not a reflection on you that he pulls away, it's about his needs, and he is doing what he needs to in order to love you.
He needs time apart to reaffirm his sense of self and then he needs you to be there for him, real him in/whatever, so that he can feel loved and close again.
So maybe when he is distancing, think about how he is recharging his batteries for the next cycle of emotional connection.
That said, you should absolutely tell him how you feel in a calm, confident, respectful and loving manner, may be he can make adjustments to make this cycle better for you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 6:26:24 GMT
I accept that I have no control over it, and that it's not my fault, nor his. When they're distancing, you're not missing out anything. They'll be back and it feel great again so as long as they don't do anything that I'd consider a betrayal, I'm ok with it. I asses where we stand, how good or bad it is between us when both of us are in the right state of mind.
When they need their space or they are actively pushing me away I stop engaging and use that time to focus on myself. I became happier and more secure thanks to it.
But that's up to you to asses if this kind of dynamic is ok with you, where do you want this relationship to go and what kind of person they are.
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Post by tnr9 on Oct 11, 2018 9:10:57 GMT
Also...listen to your gut..if this relationship is causing you to feel desolate during his absence.....then perhaps it is not the right fit for you. Hugs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 10:32:59 GMT
I, on the other hand, would advise not to listen to your gut. At least to me- gut feeling= activated attachment wound and unconscious fears. What else an anxiously preoccupied person can feel when someone disappears or pulling away? Is their narrative always right? Should they act on it right there?
If you act on your gut feeling is because "perhaps" he is not right for you and "perhaps" it will be better that way, if you become act secure and mindful there will be no "perhaps" and doubts.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 11:23:37 GMT
I think it's really.. the extent to which you can tolerate distance and whether or not that's reasonable, by any standard. if you're highly highly anxious, then it's like what christie said - anything is going to be a gut reaction of activated attachment. while becoming secure is an ideal solution, there are instances where you're still going to feel desolate if that distancing is too great/frequent/brutal. i think it's just.. getting yourself into a healthy state and then knowing what is ok for you and what is not.
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Post by tnr9 on Oct 11, 2018 11:44:02 GMT
I, on the other hand, would advise not to listen to your gut. At least to me- gut feeling= activated attachment wound and unconscious fears. What else an anxiously preoccupied person can feel when someone disappears or pulling away? Is their narrative always right? Should they act on it right there? If you act on your gut feeling is because "perhaps" he is not right for you and "perhaps" it will be better that way, if you become act secure and mindful there will be no "perhaps" and doubts. But there is the opposite argument of staying in the relationship for fear that you will miss out or perhaps it is your issue when maybe it truly is a case where that person isn't a good fit. In general, I have stayed in unhealthy relationships for far too long assuming that it was only "my issue" and that if I could somehow make a square peg fit into a round hole the relationship would end up "ok". Sometimes to get to a state of secure, a person has to be willing to let go of a relationship that isn't working.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 13:47:47 GMT
I, on the other hand, would advise not to listen to your gut. At least to me- gut feeling= activated attachment wound and unconscious fears. What else an anxiously preoccupied person can feel when someone disappears or pulling away? Is their narrative always right? Should they act on it right there? If you act on your gut feeling is because "perhaps" he is not right for you and "perhaps" it will be better that way, if you become act secure and mindful there will be no "perhaps" and doubts. But there is the opposite argument of staying in the relationship for fear that you will miss out or perhaps it is your issue when maybe it truly is a case where that person isn't a good fit. In general, I have stayed in unhealthy relationships for far too long assuming that it was only "my issue" and that if I could somehow make a square peg fit into a round hole the relationship would end up "ok". Sometimes to get to a state of secure, a person has to be willing to let go of a relationship that isn't working. I don't know if I understood correctly but I was thinking that we should be able to identify what is the real issue. I'm not a fan of keeping a score, nor belittling myself (I felt that many times with my DA partner but I said "no more"). Even if it's your issue, it doesn't mean you have to say in an unhealthy relationship. Identify what is the problem, whether or not it can be fixed and if the quality of a relationship will improve. If not, get out. Even if you'll have to let go of a relationship you'll gain know-how for the future relationship. If it's based on "it didn't feel right", you'll be in the same place the next time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 13:53:34 GMT
But there is the opposite argument of staying in the relationship for fear that you will miss out or perhaps it is your issue when maybe it truly is a case where that person isn't a good fit. In general, I have stayed in unhealthy relationships for far too long assuming that it was only "my issue" and that if I could somehow make a square peg fit into a round hole the relationship would end up "ok". Sometimes to get to a state of secure, a person has to be willing to let go of a relationship that isn't working. I don't know if I understood correctly but I was thinking that we should be able to identify what is the real issue. I'm not a fan of keeping a score, nor belittling myself (I felt that many times with my DA partner but I said "no more"). Even if it's your issue, it doesn't mean you have to say in an unhealthy relationship. Identify what is the problem, whether or not it can be fixed and if the quality of a relationship will improve. If not, get out. Even if you'll have to let go of a relationship you'll gain know-how for the future relationship. If it's based on "it didn't feel right", you'll be in the same place the next time. this. i agree with all from you in this thread and ultimately support " keep growing and you'll know when and if to let go"
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Post by tnr9 on Oct 11, 2018 14:05:58 GMT
But there is the opposite argument of staying in the relationship for fear that you will miss out or perhaps it is your issue when maybe it truly is a case where that person isn't a good fit. In general, I have stayed in unhealthy relationships for far too long assuming that it was only "my issue" and that if I could somehow make a square peg fit into a round hole the relationship would end up "ok". Sometimes to get to a state of secure, a person has to be willing to let go of a relationship that isn't working. I don't know if I understood correctly but I was thinking that we should be able to identify what is the real issue. I'm not a fan of keeping a score, nor belittling myself (I felt that many times with my DA partner but I said "no more"). Even if it's your issue, it doesn't mean you have to say in an unhealthy relationship. Identify what is the problem, whether or not it can be fixed and if the quality of a relationship will improve. If not, get out. Even if you'll have to let go of a relationship you'll gain know-how for the future relationship. If it's based on "it didn't feel right", you'll be in the same place the next time. But I think that is a key difference in the approach of some people over others....identifying the issue when you are in overwhelm is very challenging. Even when not in overwhelm, a person whose primary mode of relating to others and the world by feelings may not relate to the notion of using logic or at least, using logic to identify what the issue truly is. If the OP can relate back to what you have stated, then great....but that approach won't work for everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 14:17:00 GMT
ultimately, the push phase is destructive to a relationship. over time there needs to be growth out of it. i have worked very hard to remain consistent during deactivation and require consistency from a partner. i'd rather be single than repeatedly shut out- that dynamic doesn't meet my need for stability and drama reduction. life is too hard to have to strap in for a roller coaster relationship. it's very hard work to overcome these patterns but ultimately if you work at it you tend to outgrow the dynamic, not get better at surviving it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 15:20:13 GMT
I don't know if I understood correctly but I was thinking that we should be able to identify what is the real issue. I'm not a fan of keeping a score, nor belittling myself (I felt that many times with my DA partner but I said "no more"). Even if it's your issue, it doesn't mean you have to say in an unhealthy relationship. Identify what is the problem, whether or not it can be fixed and if the quality of a relationship will improve. If not, get out. Even if you'll have to let go of a relationship you'll gain know-how for the future relationship. If it's based on "it didn't feel right", you'll be in the same place the next time. But I think that is a key difference in the approach of some people over others....identifying the issue when you are in overwhelm is very challenging. Even when not in overwhelm, a person whose primary mode of relating to others and the world by feelings may not relate to the notion of using logic or at least, using logic to identify what the issue truly is. If the OP can relate back to what you have stated, then great....but that approach won't work for everyone. That's why you shouldn't be absolutely doing it (nor acting on your gut feeling) when you're overwhelmed. Moreover, that's why your main goal should be becoming secure rather learning how to tiptoe. I myself can't always use logic. I'm FA with a hardcore DA partner. My attachment is being activated all the time when things are bad and when things are going excellent but I made a promise to myself not to act or make any kind of decisions and judgments how I feel about him when I'm like that. I acknowledge how I feel, but that's it. I committed to it. Otherwise I'd end up using my attachment as an excuse, avoid responsibility for my own actions, pity myself and play the "if only he..." card. As long as your only focus is on the other person, it won't work out because you're a part of the circle. Once you stop, the circle will stop. Many people don't do that and they do not want to do in fear of letting go, but it gets them nowhere.
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