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Post by amber on Dec 20, 2019 5:14:50 GMT
I have thought of this!! That I must be like his parents in some way which is scary! He was always so intriguing and mysterious to me (thought it was cos he was softly spoken, the quiet, mysterious type) but realise it was more than that. I also found him intensely familiar straight away in a way I have never found anyone to be before. Red flag!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 5:44:36 GMT
I have thought of this!! That I must be like his parents in some way which is scary! He was always so intriguing and mysterious to me (thought it was cos he was softly spoken, the quiet, mysterious type) but realise it was more than that. I also found him intensely familiar straight away in a way I have never found anyone to be before. Red flag! I had a stunning, very unpleasant realization of this which led to the ending of my last LTR before the one I am in now. During an argument (which was not really an argument it was me cornered and the recipient of long critiques....) I realized that this guy was saying literally word for word things my mother said to me. And was he just picking up on what she picked up on, the reality of how I really am? Uh, No, it was all bullshit. Literally claiming to know my internal processes and what I'm thinking and feeling and intending. It was so ridiculous. I mean, like I don't know what I'm thinking and someone else can nail it for me. Come on. It was a lightbulb moment. I ended the relationship not too long after that- the insight gave me a real leg up on my recovery and a clue as to how to proceed with identifying my patterns. Incidentally, his daughter is still close with me and my kids. She says he does the same exact thing, makes the same accusations, same mind reading and character assasination with every woman he chooses. Key point: chooses. All he ever does is choose women who aren't what he wants them to be. The problem is all me? I think not. I can tell you this: I don't choose men who are similar to my mom anymore. It's a kinda creepy reality, that we date iterations of our parents. Yay for awareness and moving past that.
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Post by mrob on Dec 20, 2019 7:37:44 GMT
So you don’t think it’s possible for someone wise to have insight? An example.... I can see someone in my life acting in a certain very familiar way, and I’m further along the path of discovery than them. Surely it’s in how that insight is used.
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Post by amber on Dec 20, 2019 8:53:23 GMT
Yeah it’s intention and how u convey your insight I think. If u r using it to psychoanalyse someone in a manipulative way or for your own agenda that’s different to gently and lovingly offering your insight or opinion.i struggle with this as I’ve realised I can be judgmental and critical but it can be masked with a “I’m trying to help you see your blind spots”etc
Full on about the attracting your parent!! Makes me realise how I must have some suppressed disowned qualities similar to my ex partners parents, as it never seemed evident to me until I deeply thought about it after inmourning mentioned this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 10:02:52 GMT
So you don’t think it’s possible for someone wise to have insight? An example.... I can see someone in my life acting in a certain very familiar way, and I’m further along the path of discovery than them. Surely it’s in how that insight is used. I don't think it's insight if it leads to making the same untrue accusations about everyone you meet. Accusations which include persecution of you, assuming ill intent. Neither my ex nor my mother were wise, with insight into themselves or other people. I won't go into the detail of the things they said, but in my case it was clearly a case of choosing someone like a dysfunctional parent. I'm not sure if that was what you were getting at, as I definitely think that people can be wise and with insight. People also can be blind and using a lot of projection, and think its insight. And example would be people here in the forum who mind-read their partner, think they can figure them out by reading about an attachment style, think the person is wanting this or that, meaning x when they say y.... and then boom they find out their insight was wrong. The ex partner meant what they said when they said y, didn't think or feel what was hoped for, and all of the sudden, that ex partner is evil and manipulative and this and that and actually, what has gone on is a ton of projection, blame, faulty analysis, and mind reading. That's not quite a perfect fit for the kind of projection I'm talking about, between my mother and my ex. But it's an example of someone getting into someone else's head and being way off base, and not analyzing themselves to the extent they should to get real wisdom and insight.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 10:13:49 GMT
Yeah it’s intention and how u convey your insight I think. If u r using it to psychoanalyse someone in a manipulative way or for your own agenda that’s different to gently and lovingly offering your insight or opinion.i struggle with this as I’ve realised I can be judgmental and critical but it can be masked with a “I’m trying to help you see your blind spots”etc Full on about the attracting your parent!! Makes me realise how I must have some suppressed disowned qualities similar to my ex partners parents, as it never seemed evident to me until I deeply thought about it after inmourning mentioned this. There is a thread in the general forum that talks about the idea of attracting your shadow until you can illuminate it. The disowned parts. If you attract someone who isn't able to understand and meet you with love then it's because you are not able to understand and meet yourself with love, essentially. The idea is that each relationship can show you your wounds so you can heal them- and they are essentially custom fit to your broken bits until you become aware and repair those things. It's what I've seen in my own history, with a progression toward the growth I am experiencing now. I have seen people go their whole lives without heeding the lesson, too. My mom died without any close relationships, and she had alienated anyone who got close. She had her own attachment trauma, her own unresolved stuff. Some people truly do never change. My father went on in his life to pursue personal development. He has been married many years (after a failure or two at relationships ) to a woman that he shares a healthier relationship with. He and I are not close, he was absent during my childhood, an alcoholic. He has been sober a long long time, and is just a very different man than when he was younger. He has worked through a lot of his wounding, but for him I can see emotional pain remains.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 10:20:38 GMT
Oh and amber - yes the "trying to help you see your blind spots" in an unresolved insecure individual can entail a lot of projection. Another way this can show up, not related to anything you have said, is someone having an affair in their marriage, and jealously worried that their affair partner is "cheating " on them and will find another lover. Or having a porn addiction and preaching about chastity. This kind of "insight" into other people's psychology and the need to do something about it is just projection. Just think of all the many posts on the forum where a person goes into the entire biography and psychology of the person they are entangled with. We learn about the target's early childhood, their relationship history, their suspected emotional states, I mean an incredible amount of detail as well as speculation about the person. All we learn about the poster really is what they think about the target. Rumination, really. Sometimes in the end the poster realizes they have a lot of work to do about their unresolved issues and they have been playing detective about the wrong person. I've encountered that, for sure. It's not an uncommon dynamic, actually.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 14:13:59 GMT
Dear me I think I have had an epiphany about the horrible feelings I have about sharing my self. Historically, that has resulted in what felt like deletion, and remaining invisible. Just really invalidated. I was going to explore that with my therapist next week and I still will but with the rates I pay it's so helpful to go in with some direction.
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