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Post by addict on Nov 14, 2019 8:18:18 GMT
Hi everyone, I'm new here and would love to understand how to cope being ghosted... It wasn't a couple of dates but a long 8 years of a non relationship it that makes sense! After reading lots of material I've worked out I'm AP and he's more than likely DA...
how did or does everyone cope with being ghosted? I'm really struggling š«... I understand some of it is the disappointment of no longer having the fantasy but it's so hard to just accept. From things I've read it seems the avoidant prefers to ghost as they can't cope with having that emotional conversation with you and they hope you'll work out from their non communication that it's over. Correct me if I'm wrong?
Thanks in advance
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Post by happyidiot on Nov 18, 2019 6:31:15 GMT
Hi addictThe way this forum operates is a little confusing because the "support" forums aren't very active. I believe they were created with the idea that you could post in here if you ONLY wanted support, and only from people who share your own attachment style. You can absolutely ask this on the main AP or DA forums. I'm so sorry this is happening to you! That must feel horrible to be ghosted after seeing someone for 8 years. I need to go to bed but I will try to come back and give a more useful reply when I have more time.
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Post by addict on Nov 19, 2019 19:26:09 GMT
Hi addict The way this forum operates is a little confusing because the "support" forums aren't very active. I believe they were created with the idea that you could post in here if you ONLY wanted support, and only from people who share your own attachment style. You can absolutely ask this on the main AP or DA forums. I'm so sorry this is happening to you! That must feel horrible to be ghosted after seeing someone for 8 years. I need to go to bed but I will try to come back and give a more useful reply when I have more time. Aww thank you, yes I was beginning to feel ghosted on here too lol... yes its its been a ridiculous roller coaster but I didn't imagine after how things had been between us that he wouldn't just say " I can't or don't want to speak to you again" but he has ... I have tried to reach out several times as I wasn't sure if it was deactivation or permanent but he has literally ignored it all for a couple of months almost so I guess he wants me to work it out for myself.. thank you you for your reply... I appreciate it !
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Post by happyidiot on Nov 22, 2019 14:48:12 GMT
Hi addictI hope you are ok. I was hoping you would make another post on one of the more used boards here. Why not try that? Iām sorry you havenāt gotten more of a response. Iām sure itās just that people didnāt notice your post in here. Being ghosted is one of the most awful things. Someone who would ghost you like this has serious problems that are not your fault. It says nothing about your value. You did nothing to deserve this treatment. It says a lot about the other person and that they are battling their own demons and canāt be a good partner. You may want to look at the tips in the general forum on self-regulation. Do you want to talk about what happened? Or do you want any tips on moving on?
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Post by addict on Nov 23, 2019 19:44:59 GMT
Aww thank you happy idiot... I did think about posting in a different forum but wasn't sure the best place to do it? I must admit I've felt triggered today, really wanted contact or just some affirmation I'm no longer being avoided and ignored! It's such a long complicated story I'm not sure about posting....I know I need to move on but it's like I'm hanging by a thread waiting for the green light again š«š
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Post by happyidiot on Nov 24, 2019 1:04:45 GMT
addict Being ghosted is absolutely horrible. But it is a clear message that that person cannot even come close to meeting your needs and is not capable of a relationship. In my experience, the best thing to do is to take active steps to help myself move on, rather than waiting around in confusion hoping the person will come back, or worse yet, messaging them over and over, begging them to explain. Are there any actions that you remembered helped you get over someone in the past? I'll tag a bunch of people who might have good advice or be able to relate, so maybe a couple of them will see this post whenever they have time. alexandra iz42 serenity tnr9 kisstheviolets 8675309 faithopelove anne12 caro
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Post by faithopelove on Nov 24, 2019 4:11:56 GMT
addict - sorry youāre going through such a hard time. I know how it feels to be ghosted. Iām seeing a DA- we used to be in a serious relationship, then he broke up with me and now we continue to see each other, but heās guarded and afraid to trust and be vulnerable. When we have conflict or he feels overwhelmed with intimacy his default is shutting down. His shutting down has never been an indicator he is done- this is his way of coping. Most recently we got into a conflict in early October. We were doing really well for a several months so I thought it natural we move forward- I pushed and he shut down on me. We were both triggered- myself anxious and him avoidant and I sent texts I later regretted. That was probably the worst conflict weāve been in for the past two years and it was the longest he ever shut down on me. I didnāt sit on my hands though completely when he deactivated. I apologized and then gave him space. I then reached out and attempted to reconnect after a week. He can ignore my text or not, but I express myself. His role as a DA is such that he expects me to extend myself to him. When he deactivates heās hopeless, depressed and frozen. After this incident it took him 5 weeks to begin to thaw out. In that time he responded briefly to two texts. The second text he responded to is when I asked him to put himself in my shoes and consider my perspective. I donāt think heās always good at doing that since he suppresses his feelings and doesnāt always regard mine. I know him well enough to know when he goes quiet after an intimate or stressful time itās because he needs his space and not because he wants to leave. The belief he will āthaw outā and respond when heās ready helps me accept this. I also believe strongly in his feelings for me and my feelings for him. I know the communication is flawed and shouldnāt be this way, but at this time neither one of us is willing to walk away from the other. I try to use the times of silence to be productive and focus on myself and my kids. My advice would be does the good outweigh the bad in your relationship? Would it be better to end things and never have the silent treatment again or do you think your relationship is worth salvaging? Only you know the connection and bond the two of you share- only you know if heās worth it. Use this time to reevaluate your relationship and decide if youāre better off without it. If you need and want to get over him- you can. At this point my DA is faithful and honest and worth it to me- so Iām willing to work on my AP and my accompanying issues and be patient with him and his issues. I cannot change him or anyone. Only myself. I accept him as he is. Thereās no rule that you canāt reach out to him. If you want answers- silence being an answer you may receive, then go ahead and reach out.
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Post by faithopelove on Nov 24, 2019 4:27:25 GMT
I just read that heās ignored your texts for almost two months? Thatās a long time not knowing where his mind is at....if you want to try, Iād suggest choosing a time frame to continue to wait and try- and then move on so youāre not stuck in this place of uncertainty and pain indefinitely.
For example, give it two more weeks- then begin to heal and move forward. Iāve gotten over partners in the past by putting away all physical reminders, blocking them at every end- text, email, social media and every time a thought of them came to mind I repeated in my head ādelete, delete.ā Repeating delete helped stop the unwelcome pattern of thought. Within a couple months I would be over the person. Itās not easy, but you can do it if you must move on. Hang in there....
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Post by tnr9 on Nov 24, 2019 14:48:51 GMT
Hi everyone, I'm new here and would love to understand how to cope being ghosted... It wasn't a couple of dates but a long 8 years of a non relationship it that makes sense! After reading lots of material I've worked out I'm AP and he's more than likely DA... how did or does everyone cope with being ghosted? I'm really struggling š«... I understand some of it is the disappointment of no longer having the fantasy but it's so hard to just accept. From things I've read it seems the avoidant prefers to ghost as they can't cope with having that emotional conversation with you and they hope you'll work out from their non communication that it's over. Correct me if I'm wrong? Thanks in advance First...I am so sorry you are going through this. I have struggled to get over a 10 month relationship...cannot even fathom trying to process an 8 year one. My brother is avoidant and I have learned so much from him. Just a bit of background....when our parents divorced...our mom made my brother feel āresponsibleā for her and for women in general. Imagine being 7 years old and trying to navigate being āstrongā for your mom...trying to be the āmanā of the house. My brother has never navigated conflict well and he has been left with feeling āresponsibleā towards women in a very unhealthy way. He recently end a 5 year relationship with a woman who was great....because he said there was no āsparkā anymore. He did break up with her in person to his credit. Recently he was seeing a woman casually and started to sense that she wanted to make it more official then he did. He basically just wanted to āghost herā so that she would know he wasnāt interested in what she was interested in. I suggested that he schedule a coffee or drink meet up where he could say to her in person...ālook, I have had a great time but I just want you to know that for now I am looking for something casual...if that is good for you, I would like to keep seeing you, but if you want something more serious, then we should just go our separate waysā. He had not even considered this option because he felt so overly responsible for her that he could not bring himself to face her (face her disappointment, sadness, anger) until he and I spoke. I explained to him that he is only responsible to share what he wants and if she is cool with it great...if not...it is ok too because he is not responsible for how she reacts...just for being clear about where he is at. I only say that because āghostingā to me, is indicative of someone who has not learned good boundary skills. It actually says more about him then it does about you. It says he cannot, at this stage in his life, be the āmanā you want. Every time your brain goes into what did or didnāt I do....turn that around to what was missing in his story that he felt ghosting was an appropriate response to end an 8 yr relationship. Hugs.šš
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Post by addict on Nov 25, 2019 9:54:57 GMT
A big thank you for all your replies, I feel I need to explain the situation...we met many years ago at school, although never spoke to each other. Roll on years later realised we had a strong attraction to each other at a school reunion. We were both married but it was so strong we started an affair. In the beginning it was all him, really chased me and eventually he won me over...he immediately started talking of leaving his wife etc. Anyway to cut a long story short once I decided that I wanted in he started being very cold and it kind of turned the tables where I was then pursuing him. It was very hot and cold relationship where he finished it many times that spanned around 3 years with lots of gaps where I tried to claw it back to the beginning... Had a break of a year at least then bumped in to each other and it would start again only to repeat the same dance many times. Amongst these times he would say if he could wave a want and not hurt anyone he wanted me but couldn't break up his or my families. November last year we started chatting on messenger again and he said they were now in the process of splitting up...please bear in mind I have never stopped thinking about him still daily and so I was overjoyed. Strangely he didn't want to meet up, always had excuses but we spoke on the phone and messaged hours daily, I really wanted to get to know him, he wanted me to leave my husband..he was cut up about his marriage ending but mainly because of financial reasons. He said he'd lost his confidence, women always leave him, I was too good for him, the list was endless, I tried as much as I could to help him and make him feel better. Still couldn't pin down a meet up and he'd say he had a great fear of doing things he wanted to do and was scared I'd reject him. He then disappeared for a few days which made me very anxious, I didn't understand why, he then came back and said he'd found out his wife had been cheating on him for over 3 years and he couldn't do anything with me as he felt guilt towards my husband. I said I should leave him be but he said no...there's something big between us so where do we go from here...I suggested slowly getting to know each other and he agreed. Within a day he'd gone very quiet and never really initiated contact again, I would check in with him to make sure he was ok and sometimes he'd be talkative and nice , sometimes ignore me completely. I told him I was going to an event in a town near where I live with a friend from school and he said he'd go to so finally this was going to be the much awaited meet up to see how strong our feelings were for each other, it was a couple of months away and it was around this time he started to be distant and much colder. We had a heart to heart one night and he said he didn't want me to leave my husband for him , only if I wanted to be single and we could date, also said he couldn't be committed to me or anyone else, he'd been too hurt in the past by his first girlfriend who left him for someone else a few weeks after moving in to their house, since then he's built very high walls to stop being hurt again. After she left he played the field for 7 years. He then got someone pregnant and made a go of it to be a good dad, she was the wife he'd just split from. Said he was nervous of a rebound relationship and I felt at the time her started not picking with me, like all of a sudden he could get better. Anyway roll on more cold behaviour and the day arrived for the meet up. He was very nervous, said he hadn't been able to eat for a few days and drank a lot of beer. He was loving, fun, couldn't keep his hands off me, either trying to hold my hand or touch my arm , anything, had loads of chats throughout the day and night and he said we've still got all those feelings, where do we go from here? I was nervous as I'd experienced by now quite a lot of hot and cold and I admitted I had feelings but suggested another meet up..he said he couldn't share me and he couldn't have sex or anything until I was single as I wouldn't feel like his..I understood but needed to get to know him more before deciding. Literally went very cold after that day, couldn't pin him down on another meet up and started to feel him pulling away big time, i went in to AP overdrive...hardly spoke at all or messaged for a week, I was falling apart. He was going on a boys weekend away, I felt jealous...he was no longer being nice just picking fault with me...I sent a message saying have a fab time and that I was so going out with girlfriends, he replied have a good time. I messaged the following evening to ask how it had gone and from that day he never replied. I waited 2 days and asked if all was ok and he took 2 days to open it and still ignored me. I panicked and sent another message asking if we could meet up and have a chat, still no reply. I waited a few days and sent a message saying I think we should say goodbye, it was a lovely, thoughtful heartfelt message saying I still couldn't decide on what my feelings were as we hadn't spent enough time together etc etc. I really thought he would respond as many times he'd Said I meant the world to him and was always there, maybe I was provoking him to say something , anything but he never has! After a week I was desperate and asked if he was ok and could we have a chat and I cared deeply for him but still silence. I know affairs are wrong and I u understand why he backed off but after all our heartfelt convos and all the things said I didn't think he would act this way towards me. I can only imagine he's met someone else and dosent want to tell me...May be in his mind he thinks it's kinder to not respond...I've been beside myself that I've hurt him but now I don't think so...surely though it would be better to just say to me I've moved on and want you to do the same. The worrying thing for me is why I am still desperately thinking about blowing my life up to see if it's him I want! In reality he's made it clear he dosent want me! Overall we have both been manipulative and I certainly blame myself for getting involved but 8 years us a long time to feel this way. I guess over the years I've always thought if he was single he'd want me, mainly because of everything he's said and it's a shock that he's chosen not to pursue me now...he constantly put up walls between us, always went missing in action after we'd opened up and is frightened of getting feelings for someone. On our meet up he asked why I felt like I did over him as he feels not that special...he's definitely very insecure underneath a jack the lad front he puts on..I know the right thing is to sort my shit out and leave him alone but I feel very strongly for him and find my I securities are having a hard time letting go. After a read he's scared she's scared it was perfect on every page to how we both deal with things...so sorry for very long post š„
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Post by faithopelove on Nov 25, 2019 22:50:23 GMT
As soon as I hear heās married- youāre married....going nowhere fast. You both have issues and youād only bring more with you once you suffer the effects of two divorces as the result of your relationship. Also, Iād question his integrity and never trust him. What he did to her he could also do to you.
Iād make a clean break, block him and stay away. I didnāt read your entire post, but if youāre marriage is over- find someone who is available and able to freely pursue a relationship with you. Personally, I couldnāt respect a man who doesnāt show integrity and who I donāt respect, I cannot love. Let him go and move on-earn from this and do better next time.
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Post by addict on Nov 25, 2019 23:07:50 GMT
Thank you for responding, I agree with what you're saying, he's no longer married but I am. I'm trying to move on and work on myself... I've never felt this way before so I'm learning... Slowly... I appreciate your help and will take your points on board
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Post by alexandra on Nov 25, 2019 23:41:57 GMT
Thank you for responding, I agree with what you're saying, he's no longer married but I am. I'm trying to move on and work on myself... I've never felt this way before so I'm learning... Slowly... I appreciate your help and will take your points on board Both of you were in a situation where you were tentatively pursuing the other -- which means you were both pursuing someone unavailable. He's made excuses not to be with you, because he wanted what he couldn't have. It's a fun distraction from dealing with his own issues and his issues within the marriage. It's also, as has been mentioned, a lack of integrity that he strung you along as a fantasy rather than truly taking responsibility. If he can do that to his wife, and still not really deal with his stuff maturely for that many years, he'd never be a good partner to you, especially when things got real and responsibility is involved. So if you're now examining your side, that's really the best you can do. Because he was a fantasy at a distance for you too (even if you'd have been willing to try to make more work). Eight years is a very long time to allow that. Have you been working on your marriage during that time? Have you considered why you wanted a fantasy partner instead of figuring out what you actually want and working towards something real, whether it's with your husband or not? Has your husband also been having affairs (emotional or physical)? Is your husband also avoidant (I'm assuming not, if you're not AP with him)? Have you had a tumultuous romantic history prior to your marriage? Do you associate love with longing versus stability? There's a lot to dig into if you're ready for it. There's a lot of bad decisions that have been made here, and it's normal that led to you having very painful and hurt feelings. That's valid and will take some time to heal. But the deeper problems are underlying what led to you getting stuck in this entire situation for almost a decade, and why you've subjected your husband to an emotional affair for so long (whether or not he's aware). There would have been a lot of pain here even if this guy who ghosted wasn't avoidant, because your issues create half of these types of intensely dysfunctional dynamics. His avoidance simply allowed him to also stay in an ambivalent one-foot-in-one-foot-out situation for way too long. Complementary. Again, I'm sorry that you're hurting, but it is always better late than never to earnestly try to sort out your own issues and reconnect with yourself and your needs.
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Post by alexandra on Nov 25, 2019 23:48:45 GMT
BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if both of you might actually be FA. There's no way to tell with him right now, and it's probably not relevant anyway, as you two are insecurely attached to each other without a doubt. However, it may be helpful to you knowing what your next steps for healing may be to actually assess your attachment style, which you can do here if you're interested. Two options that both give slightly different interesting information: www.web-research-design.net/cgi-bin/crq/crq.pldianepooleheller.com/attachment-test/
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Post by addict on Nov 26, 2019 8:30:49 GMT
BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if both of you might actually be FA. There's no way to tell with him right now, and it's probably not relevant anyway, as you two are insecurely attached to each other without a doubt. However, it may be helpful to you knowing what your next steps for healing may be to actually assess your attachment style, which you can do here if you're interested. Two options that both give slightly different interesting information: www.web-research-design.net/cgi-bin/crq/crq.pldianepooleheller.com/attachment-test/ Aww Alexandra, thank you so much!! You've pretty much said what I've been thinking...all so true...I have done the test and with him in mind I'm def AP but with my husband I'm FA...I've always been a cold person who finds it difficult to give love and affection. I've only had one big relationship which is my husband and if I'm honest I've always been a bit one foot in and one foot out. When I met the other man he envoked feelings in me I've never experienced before... He drew me in being everything my husband wasn't...I lapped up all the positive attention and felt so special! The sex with him on my part was how I imagined it should feel and I was totally besotted... By the time the hot and cold came I was in so deep I felt this was the love I'd been craving and longing for... So his attachment type brought out theses feelings in me rather than love. Obviously I've only just realised this so the last 8 years he was my one that got away and I've only had interest in trying to get it back! It's very sad... I've blown him out of proportion and put him so high on a pedalstal that he's been my only focus! It's like my mind has been telling me lies!!!i agree totally in your comments about fantasy... We were a fantasy to each other but in reality it wouldn't work... Maybe him ghosting is that he recognised this anyway... Maybe he just used me as a kind ear while going through his marriage split ...he definitely led me on... But maybe he did have some feelings for me and thought the fantasy could be real...I think we both did but I know the responsibility of my marriage breaking up was a huge issue for him and he said many times my husband would never let me go...also said he had to be in control so I think the ignore and ghosting is him being in control! I need to go back a long way and see if I can pinpoint what started my issues.. I was a lonely child, much older brother and sister who didn't play with me and I had pretend friends. I think attention and validation are my thing... thank you so much for your post... I know affairs are wrong but I didn't plan it... Just got caught up in love feelings...
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