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Post by mrob on Nov 25, 2019 0:35:31 GMT
Oh well, blame me for the sidetracking. It was just nice to see somebody instrumental in my journey pop up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 1:12:37 GMT
Oh well, blame me for the sidetracking. It was just nice to see somebody instrumental in my journey pop up. I'm sorry: that's not what I meant! The reply seemed strangely invalidating to OP's topic, but it's more clear now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 1:29:07 GMT
I didn't take it as invalidating. I can agree with both sides of it. I have gotten stuck analyzing things I just need to stop thinking about. I become "frozen" in action (see what I did there?). But then sometimes I DO need to take time to figure out why I keep repeating patterns because of stuff in my subconscious. I saw what you did there . As long as we don't start singing the theme song to Frozen I'm on board. lol Actually learning about nervous system freeze has been fundamental to this chapter of my recovery in life in general- not just a momentary freeze but living subdued in general. The somatic work I'm doing has changed my life coming out of that state. Truly life changing. I was just playing around with my teenage daughter this afternoon, and I felt a lightness and joy that Ive not been able to capture for a long time. Some th omg happened over time that got me deeper into the fullness. But I feel so much more alive and in touch. I feel happy. I've been able to grieve what needed to be grieved. It's just been life changing to understand and work through this stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 1:54:10 GMT
I've been lacking the upregulation of my sympathetic nervous system D:
I've even been able to have some healthy anger and set some boundaries with some people that I had shut my response down to (triggering stuff- autorelax and "auto give up " and "auto tuneout" has not been good to me in some regards. In other ways, it's been supportive and functional. I talked to my therapist about losing it absolutely and how vulnerable and raw and somewhat adrift that made me feel- it made me feel confused about a lot of things, like losing a leg that I didn't know how I could walk without. Being one way so long, it's disorienting, to think of being a whole new way. He assured me that I would be able to retain a lot of the good of my adaptation- and he validated those things for me. He said there is wisdom in the body as well as work out defenses. Those things are personal to me, and I don't want to go into them- but the idea is not to lose my unique self, not to squeeze into another mold. But to integrate, and become more whole in some areas. I like this plan.
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Post by mrob on Nov 25, 2019 3:01:26 GMT
Sidetrack.... The movie itself has a good message in amongst all the imagery. I’ll bet you’re barely holding on for the sequel!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 3:15:12 GMT
Sidetrack.... The movie itself has a good message in amongst all the imagery. I’ll bet you’re barely holding on for the sequel! Ha! I don't watch movies, only rarely. But that one for sure slipped by me because everyone was singing that damn song 😖😂
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 9:41:15 GMT
@janedoe yes, I have had newly painful things happen, the internal instinctive response hasn't been as significant. I'd say I'm operating in a new capacity. I do not feel set back by my physiology.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 3:54:33 GMT
It's funny you being this up, I was just thinking of it today! I don't experience the freeze so much in relationships. Except when I felt a sudden rejection, or perceive rejection. Then I might freeze and go into deactivation.
I have experienced this freeze just like you, in public exposure though. In grade school I froze during an award ceremony, I was in front of an auditorium full of people waiting for my name to be called. I was fairly new to the school. As I stood there, I felt myself sink and suddenly I was peeing my pants. (Urinating can be a severe effect of freeze). I was very weak but got away to a nearby restroom, and a teacher came and found me. I was taken to the sick room, where I spent the rest of the day, in bed.
I take this as having too much exposure when accustomed to being invisible. I've felt a freeze state when I was in a large group and expected to participate in a very close and engaged way, but I didn't want to. I felt it in a church youth group as a teen when we broke into little circles to pray out loud (I'm not religious, although I tried back then).
I have mainly avoided crowds and kept in a bubble and unaccountable in social situations so I could slip away back to my self when needed. Really, a very solitary type of life.
Later in life, I had a job that offered me a public speaking class for free, and my boss made me go with him as a team building thing. I did fine with it, but I had to push through. I was always ok doing one on one interaction but the crowd thing was difficult for me to overcome, but it is for many people.
Anyway- relating strongly to what you said about the public freeze. I deactivate more than I freeze in intimate relationships- the are related but not exactly the same. I cant explain all that because my sessions with my therapist are expensive and I only ask questions that i have a burning need to know lol. He gives me enough psycho-education to appease my cognitive nature and then we get to work on whatever I have going at the moment.
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Post by faithopelove on Dec 1, 2019 5:01:28 GMT
I don’t know if anyone else experiences this, but I freeze up when someone calls me on my cell and I see the name appear. (Exception being my partner at the time.) Not so much an unknown number makes me freeze, but a person from my contact list. I can’t seem to ever hit the accept button. I either decline the call or let it go to voicemail. A call seems like an intrusion to me, opposed to a text, and I can’t bring myself to answer.
If I had to place the feeling I’d say I feel anxious and pressured when I see my cell light up and then I freeze and avoid the call. I actually do the same thing if I see someone I know unexpectedly in public. My reaction is to turn the other way and not be seen. It feels kind of ridiculous to do so, but it just feels more comfortable so I do it.
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Post by mrob on Dec 1, 2019 5:21:39 GMT
Yes. I had a job once where I would get over 150 calls a day on a weekend, and ever since then, that happens to me.
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Post by tnr9 on Dec 1, 2019 14:37:33 GMT
I freeze regarding unsafe people or unsafe situations....not saying they are truly unsafe but that they feel unsafe.
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Post by Helsbells on Dec 1, 2019 16:36:18 GMT
I don’t know if anyone else experiences this, but I freeze up when someone calls me on my cell and I see the name appear. (Exception being my partner at the time.) Not so much an unknown number makes me freeze, but a person from my contact list. I can’t seem to ever hit the accept button. I either decline the call or let it go to voicemail. A call seems like an intrusion to me, opposed to a text, and I can’t bring myself to answer. If I had to place the feeling I’d say I feel anxious and pressured when I see my cell light up and then I freeze and avoid the call. I actually do the same thing if I see someone I know unexpectedly in public. My reaction is to turn the other way and not be seen. It feels kind of ridiculous to do so, but it just feels more comfortable so I do it. I am the same, I jump when the phone rings and never answer it, landline also. I never answer my door if I'm not expecting anyone. I lie to my family and friends when they say they have been trying to get hold of me for days. But would never ever do this to a person i was in a relationship with. My daughter does the same. What is this all about.
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Post by Helsbells on Dec 1, 2019 16:44:12 GMT
I don’t know if anyone else experiences this, but I freeze up when someone calls me on my cell and I see the name appear. (Exception being my partner at the time.) Not so much an unknown number makes me freeze, but a person from my contact list. I can’t seem to ever hit the accept button. I either decline the call or let it go to voicemail. A call seems like an intrusion to me, opposed to a text, and I can’t bring myself to answer. If I had to place the feeling I’d say I feel anxious and pressured when I see my cell light up and then I freeze and avoid the call. I actually do the same thing if I see someone I know unexpectedly in public. My reaction is to turn the other way and not be seen. It feels kind of ridiculous to do so, but it just feels more comfortable so I do it. I also do lots of geographicals and have moved house so many times when people start to get close and want to be friends. I am severely avoidant in all my relationships accept with a partner. But I actually am starting to believe I am really unavailable in relationships unless there more avoidant than me. I'm really confused about this whole attachment thing sometimes 😜🤪
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Post by alexandra on Dec 1, 2019 19:20:50 GMT
I am severely avoidant in all my relationships accept with a partner. But I actually am starting to believe I am really unavailable in relationships unless there more avoidant than me. I'm really confused about this whole attachment thing sometimes 😜🤪 FA is all about confusion!! You're in good company.
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Post by Helsbells on Dec 1, 2019 19:33:51 GMT
I am severely avoidant in all my relationships accept with a partner. But I actually am starting to believe I am really unavailable in relationships unless there more avoidant than me. I'm really confused about this whole attachment thing sometimes 😜🤪 FA is all about confusion!! You're in good company. Thanks hun, that's nice to know and what you say makes a lot of sense.
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