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Post by willow on May 16, 2020 16:03:03 GMT
What sorts of signs can I look for in the very early dating / courting period that might alert me that the person is a DA man?
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Post by annieb on May 16, 2020 16:55:14 GMT
What sorts of signs can I look for in the very early dating / courting period that might alert me that the person is a DA man? The one overarching theme were broken long term relationships, a lot of short term relationships, a phantom ex, and lack of communication. Rushing into sex and often commitment. Strange communication patterns were evident early on. Slow response or extremely fast response, push/ pull. Inappropriate reactions. Over and under reactions. Strained relationship with mother. That’s a big one. A good deal of cultural misogyny and frequent mentions of it disguised in a casual conversation. I’m a female.
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Post by alexandra on May 16, 2020 18:22:59 GMT
It can be a strained relationship with either parent / main adult attachment figures, not just the opposite gender. One of the most insecure avoidants I dated had a really difficult relationship with his father and much better one with his mother (though his parents also had a strained relationship and that was the model he had to go on).
To add to the list, biggest red flag is always actions / words / feelings don't align.
Multiple long-distance relationships may also be a sign.
Past history of them frequently being the dumpers because they tend to lose interest for some vague reason that basically amounts to nothing more than they weren't "the one." Can't actually go into detail or take responsibility, perhaps says they always date crazy partners. Probably combined with having a phantom ex.
Communication issues. Get defensive or go into flight mode around serious topics asking about their relationship goals, even just abstractly and not pertaining to your specific relationship (asking about if they're ready to settle down with someone, for example, and their ideal timeline for it if it's the right person may get you all sorts of non-committal vague answers if they're not actually ready and avoiding it).
But in general, your approach should be less about being hypervigilant for signs and more about focusing on your own security before going back to the dating scene. When you are more secure yourself, you'll naturally find dysfunctional treatment from insecure partners repellent. And since like attracts like, they'll likely be less interested in you as well if they're less emotionally stable than you are. That's the biggest "protection" from getting into another dance.
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Post by Helsbells on May 16, 2020 19:33:47 GMT
Sex without any real connection. Not being present when with you. Are far away look in the eyes. No sensuous kissing, no cuddling after sex. It's hard to say this was just my experience. And no eye contact during sex.
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Post by Helsbells on May 16, 2020 19:34:45 GMT
Sex without any real connection. Not being present when with you. Are far away look in the eyes. No sensuous kissing, no cuddling after sex. It's hard to say this was just my experience. And no eye contact during sex. Bare in mind this was a few months on the relationship I'm talking about.
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Post by Helsbells on May 16, 2020 19:35:53 GMT
Also mind didnt act relax or comfortable when we sat in the pub together very stiff and reserved.
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Post by alexandra on May 16, 2020 22:23:32 GMT
Also mind didnt act relax or comfortable when we sat in the pub together very stiff and reserved. Oooh, can also be true. The guy who had the bad relationship with his father would rarely smile or relax, especially when we went out. His expression was always stiff and worried. The only time he would look relaxed was when we were physically intimate.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 0:28:13 GMT
watch for the kind of words he chooses to use - vocabulary. The DAs i dated often said things like... i can't imagine going on a long trip with someone, i'm ready to be tied down, alone is nice/best, i would like to settle down but they always act crazy at the end, people want too much from each other, best if we have our own lives and meet at convenience when schedules allow (duh, isn't that how adulting works?), i'll talk to you when i want to (and then never talks unless you initiate), etc etc. the way and context these things are said play a role too.
sex is often disconnected or the reverse is true - intimacy only during sex not outside of it.
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Post by mrob on May 19, 2020 0:58:41 GMT
best if we have our own lives and meet at convenience when schedules allow (duh, isn't that how adulting works?) That’s not the way some people see it at all. Some people want the crazy enveloping school kid stuff and call it chemistry! They’re the people I’d be steering clear of!
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 3:23:00 GMT
best if we have our own lives and meet at convenience when schedules allow (duh, isn't that how adulting works?) That’s not the way some people see it at all. Some people want the crazy enveloping school kid stuff and call it chemistry! They’re the people I’d be steering clear of! what do you mean enveloping school kid stuff? meaning they want kids or they want to be like kids spending 24/7 together being in hormonal love?
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Post by mrob on May 19, 2020 8:45:47 GMT
Hormonal love. It’s incredible (for me). Joined at the hip. Every waking moment. Sad when work calls. Texting constantly. That sort of thing.
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Post by willow on May 19, 2020 16:30:18 GMT
best if we have our own lives and meet at convenience when schedules allow (duh, isn't that how adulting works?) That’s not the way some people see it at all. Some people want the crazy enveloping school kid stuff and call it chemistry! They’re the people I’d be steering clear of! That all makes a lot of sense! I think I've dated a fair few!
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Post by mrob on May 19, 2020 22:58:53 GMT
That’s not the way some people see it at all. Some people want the crazy enveloping school kid stuff and call it chemistry! They’re the people I’d be steering clear of! That all makes a lot of sense! I think I've dated a fair few! I think you might have misunderstood. This isn’t an answer to your question, willow. If you haven’t already, I urge you to pick up Jeb’s “bad boyfriends” book and have a read.
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Post by willow on May 20, 2020 15:56:41 GMT
That all makes a lot of sense! I think I've dated a fair few! I think you might have misunderstood. This isn’t an answer to your question, willow. If you haven’t already, I urge you to pick up Jeb’s “bad boyfriends” book and have a read. Oops, I quoted the wrong message. I meant to respond to the message above yours: "watch for the kind of words he chooses to use - vocabulary. The DAs i dated often said things like... i can't imagine going on a long trip with someone, i'm ready to be tied down, alone is nice/best, i would like to settle down but they always act crazy at the end, people want too much from each other, best if we have our own lives and meet at convenience when schedules allow (duh, isn't that how adulting works?), i'll talk to you when i want to (and then never talks unless you initiate), etc etc. the way and context these things are said play a role too. sex is often disconnected or the reverse is true - intimacy only during sex not outside of it."
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Post by amber on May 24, 2020 5:00:32 GMT
My ex was FA but strongly avoidant. Here’s what I noticed: Came on strong at the beginning After six months stopped initiating plans as much Told me he didn’t know how far he could go in a relationship, how much he could open, didn’t know if he could ever live with a partner Wasn’t honest about his feelings, went along with things to keep the peace, people please Seemed to like texting a LOT, but not seeing each other in person as much Has never been able to fully commit to any woman History of very short term relationships, always ending them because he didn’t feel they were the right one, one long term r/ship with a woman who was borderline Unable to commit to jobs, have direction or be motivated to change Stuck in comfort zone, socially quiet and awkward
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