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Post by midnight77 on Aug 9, 2021 20:36:59 GMT
Hi everybody, Since I have been kind of analyzing my own behaviors as a FA anxious leaning, I would like to know the main differences between these two attachment styles (FA and AP) . More precisely, being myself an FA but getting triggered and acting like an anxious preoccupied in certain specific situations... What traits would distinguish my style from a "pure" anxious preoccupied, specifically in relationships?
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Post by annieb on Aug 9, 2021 20:41:08 GMT
Hi everybody, Since I have been kind of analyzing my own behaviors as a FA anxious leaning, I would like to know the main differences between these two attachment styles (FA and AP) . More precisely, being myself an FA but getting triggered and acting like an anxious preoccupied in certain specific situations... What traits would distinguish my style from a "pure" anxious preoccupied, specifically in relationships? Specifically as a FA female I can describe a repulsion feeling. A feeling of there is no way I can fulfill this person’s expectations (perceived or real) and I need to self preserve and bounce. I believe it’s called fear of engulfment.
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Post by midnight77 on Aug 9, 2021 20:58:19 GMT
Hi everybody, Since I have been kind of analyzing my own behaviors as a FA anxious leaning, I would like to know the main differences between these two attachment styles (FA and AP) . More precisely, being myself an FA but getting triggered and acting like an anxious preoccupied in certain specific situations... What traits would distinguish my style from a "pure" anxious preoccupied, specifically in relationships? Specifically as a FA female I can describe a repulsion feeling. A feeling of there is no way I can fulfill this person’s expectations (perceived or real) and I need to self preserve and bounce. I believe it’s called fear of engulfment. I experience it as well.. . The most common thing I experience however is that I feel like my anxious tendencies push me towards the avoidant side. I mean when I feel like I am getting anxious over a connection with someone I shut down and kind of persuade myself that I do not care about them anymore as they are taking too much space in my mind
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Post by gus23 on Aug 9, 2021 21:08:16 GMT
Specifically as a FA female I can describe a repulsion feeling. A feeling of there is no way I can fulfill this person’s expectations (perceived or real) and I need to self preserve and bounce. I believe it’s called fear of engulfment. I experience it as well.. . The most common thing I experience however is that I feel like my anxious tendencies push me towards the avoidant side. I mean when I feel like I am getting anxious over a connection with someone I shut down and kind of persuade myself that I do not care about them anymore as they are taking too much space in my mind This is interesting. So you thoughts/feeling can change that quick? In a week or a day? Even if things are going well?
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 9, 2021 21:12:37 GMT
Specifically as a FA female I can describe a repulsion feeling. A feeling of there is no way I can fulfill this person’s expectations (perceived or real) and I need to self preserve and bounce. I believe it’s called fear of engulfment. I experience it as well.. . The most common thing I experience however is that I feel like my anxious tendencies push me towards the avoidant side. I mean when I feel like I am getting anxious over a connection with someone I shut down and kind of persuade myself that I do not care about them anymore as they are taking too much space in my mind I know it is a bit confusing….but an FA has both anxious and avoidant behaviors….leaning AP means that you are actually moving towards a person, desiring that person, thinking about that person etc…just as an AP person does….when an FA leans avoidant…it means you feel engulfed, want to pull away, want to avoid etc. The reason I say I lean AP is because I tend to pick avoidant leaning FAs….it doesn’t mean that they guy I like doesn’t ever show AP behaviors or that I don’t show avoidant behaviors…but I tend to be the pursuer in my relationships and the one who tends to hold on more…does that make sense?
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 9, 2021 21:14:16 GMT
I experience it as well.. . The most common thing I experience however is that I feel like my anxious tendencies push me towards the avoidant side. I mean when I feel like I am getting anxious over a connection with someone I shut down and kind of persuade myself that I do not care about them anymore as they are taking too much space in my mind This is interesting. So you thoughts/feeling can change that quick? In a week or a day? Even if things are going well? Remember that it all about “internal” signals to external situations…
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Post by gus23 on Aug 9, 2021 21:23:46 GMT
This is interesting. So you thoughts/feeling can change that quick? In a week or a day? Even if things are going well? Remember that it all about “internal” signals to external situations… I get that. But if it's "A feeling of there is no way I can fulfill this person’s expectations ( perceived or real) and I need to self preserve and bounce." Perceived sounds like internal thoughts that may not be real.
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Post by alexandra on Aug 9, 2021 21:24:43 GMT
The most common thing I experience however is that I feel like my anxious tendencies push me towards the avoidant side. I mean when I feel like I am getting anxious over a connection with someone I shut down and kind of persuade myself that I do not care about them anymore as they are taking too much space in my mind This is a main difference between AP and FA. AP do not do this and do not shut down. However, if they don't feel longing (because the other person is not pushing them away), they'll feel like they lost interest. But it's not shutting down. The other major difference is AP do not trust themselves but do trust others. FA do not trust others or themselves. The AP fear of engulfment is unconscious but the fear of abandonment is very obvious. For FA, both fears switch between conscious and unconscious depending on which direction they are triggered. So in summary, FA in relationships have a different set of defense mechanisms and pull and push back and forth between feeling anxious (distrust of self plus fear of abandonment) and feeling avoidant (distrust of others plus fear of engulfment), resulting in no consistency in behavior nor organized strategy in trying to get needs met in the relationship. AP only do and feel the anxious half of these, so it's more consistent though equally problematic for healthy long-term romantic connections.
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Post by midnight77 on Aug 9, 2021 21:41:09 GMT
The most common thing I experience however is that I feel like my anxious tendencies push me towards the avoidant side. I mean when I feel like I am getting anxious over a connection with someone I shut down and kind of persuade myself that I do not care about them anymore as they are taking too much space in my mind This is a main difference between AP and FA. AP do not do this and do not shut down. However, if they don't feel longing (because the other person is not pushing them away), they'll feel like they lost interest. But it's not shutting down. The other major difference is AP do not trust themselves but do trust others. FA do not trust others or themselves. The AP fear of engulfment is unconscious but the fear of abandonment is very obvious. For FA, both fears switch between conscious and unconscious depending on which direction they are triggered. So in summary, FA in relationships have a different set of defense mechanisms and pull and push back and forth between feeling anxious (distrust of self plus fear of abandonment) and feeling avoidant (distrust of others plus fear of engulfment), resulting in no consistency in behavior nor organized strategy in trying to get needs met in the relationship. AP only do and feel the anxious half of these, so it's more consistent though equally problematic for healthy long-term romantic connections. Ok, thank you. So, for instance, if I am dealing with an avoidant who strongly deactivates and shuts down, despite being myself anxious leaning I usually shut down in reaction to that. This would represent my "avoidant side", right?
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Post by alexandra on Aug 9, 2021 21:44:34 GMT
Ok, thank you. So, for instance, if I am dealing with an avoidant who strongly deactivates and shuts down, despite being myself anxious leaning I usually shut down in reaction to that. This would represent my "avoidant side", right? Absolutely. An AP would push harder for connection and be unable to control the anxious fear of abandonment trigger. Another avoidant would instead feel hopeless and might shut down proactively to avoid more perceived rejection.
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Post by midnight77 on Aug 9, 2021 21:47:54 GMT
I experience it as well.. . The most common thing I experience however is that I feel like my anxious tendencies push me towards the avoidant side. I mean when I feel like I am getting anxious over a connection with someone I shut down and kind of persuade myself that I do not care about them anymore as they are taking too much space in my mind This is interesting. So you thoughts/feeling can change that quick? In a week or a day? Even if things are going well? I would say it can happen in a day as well... It is a strong coping mechanism, I believe, enacted by my avoidant FA side to save the anxious FA side to avoid being triggered and suffering! These include persuading myself that I was not that into that person, or that this person is not right for me, treats me badly and so on. Of course it can be "useful" when I have to decide to let go of someone who does not fullfil my needs. However, sometimes it gives me a distorted perception of the relationship and I myself am not sure of what I feel. Do I miss him? Am I relieved? Am I deactivating or is this a healthy and appropriate reaction? I am working on this as well
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Post by gus23 on Aug 9, 2021 21:51:57 GMT
This is interesting. So you thoughts/feeling can change that quick? In a week or a day? Even if things are going well? I would say it can happen in a day as well... It is a strong coping mechanism, I believe, enacted by my avoidant FA side to save the anxious FA side to avoid being triggered and suffering! These include persuading myself that I was not that into that person, or that this person is not right for me, treats me badly and so on. Of course it can be "useful" when I have to decide to let go of someone who does not fullfil my needs. However, sometimes it gives me a distorted perception of the relationship and I myself am not sure of what I feel. Do I miss him? Am I relieved? Am I deactivating or is this a healthy and appropriate reaction? I am working on this as well Thanks for the response! That's very insightful! Do you ever flip back once you have those thoughts? Or just done?
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 9, 2021 21:54:32 GMT
Remember that it all about “internal” signals to external situations… I get that. But if it's "A feeling of there is no way I can fulfill this person’s expectations ( perceived or real) and I need to self preserve and bounce." Perceived sounds like internal thoughts that may not be real. No…it is not that at all…it actually starts with a generalized fear…and comes from the nervous system. That is then interpreted as a feeling…but it really starts as a fear….either of being abandoned or of being engulfed.
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Post by alexandra on Aug 9, 2021 21:58:32 GMT
midnight77, it's not intuitive, but this usually connects back to dynamics from childhood. If you had an adult attachment figure who sometimes responded positively to what I'll call AP protests behaviors, then you learned that works and you'll keep trying. If nothing worked, it was random and chaotic, as was usually the case for an FA growing up, or if reaching out for connection led to punishment (so not simply being dismissed, the child actually getting conditioned that reaching out and expressing feelings leads to scariness), then you'd have learned that there's no point and to shut down instead while also learning to ignore and push down your own needs... to a kid, this may seem like a much better option than letting the hurt continue, and then your nervous system internalized it and it becomes involuntary and unconscious.
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Post by midnight77 on Aug 9, 2021 22:01:25 GMT
I would say it can happen in a day as well... It is a strong coping mechanism, I believe, enacted by my avoidant FA side to save the anxious FA side to avoid being triggered and suffering! These include persuading myself that I was not that into that person, or that this person is not right for me, treats me badly and so on. Of course it can be "useful" when I have to decide to let go of someone who does not fullfil my needs. However, sometimes it gives me a distorted perception of the relationship and I myself am not sure of what I feel. Do I miss him? Am I relieved? Am I deactivating or is this a healthy and appropriate reaction? I am working on this as well Thanks for the response! That's very insightful! Do you ever flip back once you have those thoughts? Or just done? I go back and forth.. Of course it depends on the situation. However it is extremely tiring, I overthink a lot.. Im my attempt to achieve a somewhat secure attachment style I try to rationalise and reach a balance between avoidance and anxiety. But how can one discern things, actions and feelings precisely? It becomes even more complex when your partner is a FA too. A big mess, two people behaving inconsistently
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