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Post by pagesal on Nov 27, 2017 22:51:58 GMT
I stayed friends with my avoidant ex after our breakup. It lasted for awhile. My gut told me he still had feelings for me based on his actions during our friendship. It was pretty clear to me that he still had strong emotions for me but he very much sticks to his decisions once he has made them. Maybe its an avoidant thing
I put myself out there and asked him if he wanted to give the relationship a second try. I realize now this was probably a mistake because like a current member on this forum stated, that putting an avoidant in a "corner" will make them choose to flee rather than stay. He said he wasn't going to give the relationship a second try after some hesitation on his end. He became very emotional/angry when i brought this up. I asked why his answer was no and he said he "let me go."
And while we remained friends we did not talk every single day, but he told me that I was one of the most important people in his life. he treated me like his girlfriend in some ways during that time also. How is that letting somebody go?
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Post by scheme00 on Nov 28, 2017 3:09:34 GMT
I feel your pain! It seems your ego is bothered by the "let you go" part. I encourage you to look at everything from a 3rd perspective if possible rather than his words. His attachment style and actions reveal more information than the words you are obsessing over. He's avoidant , we know that. He still cares about you. We know that. But do you want to be with him or move on and find a better partner? That's all that matters. If you want to be with him then go at a snails pace. Let him know you know he has commitment and intamacy issues but that you still love him. iE: "well you know that I love you and I know it's uncomfortable for you to get close to someone but I love you and love spending time with you so if that's what you want as well let me know." Otherwise, you just need to move on and get in a relationship that is not low quality.
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Post by pagesal on Nov 28, 2017 15:58:20 GMT
Maybe I focus so much on little words or phrases said here and there.. when I should really realize that any confusion i come across with him is due to avoidance issues.. basically what you said above.
But heres the thing. I told him I wanted a second try at the relationship and that is when he said he said he had already let me go. This was 4 months ago and I have not reached out to him or heard anything from him since. I have thought of writing him a short letter. i did not discover he was avoidant until after we last spoke.
Should I write him a letter even though I felt his answer of not wanting to get back together was the final say?
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Post by stellar1969 on Nov 28, 2017 17:18:18 GMT
You can write whatever you want to write. Just do not expect anything from him, including him reading the letter. You can seek out my postings if you want to read my story.
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Post by pagesal on Nov 28, 2017 20:44:39 GMT
I guess my version of letting somebody go is different than his? When I let somebody go.... well I drop all contact. He still treated me like his girlfriend in many ways after the breakup.. so to me it didn't feel like he had ACTUALLY let me go... which has led to so much confusion and many many tears.
Has anybody on here ever had a reply to their letter?
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Post by inspiring on Nov 28, 2017 21:42:00 GMT
Hi Pagesal,
I broke up with my ex-parnter via SMS and a letter three months ago. His reaction was a text message saying that he was sorry for everything and he wasn't ready for a relationship at that moment of his life due to anxiety. That was followed by a huge confession of love. This is a huge relief and confirmation of my feeling on the one hand, but also a huge confusion and distress on the other side.
Of course, I couldn't leave it like that. Since we broke up, I have sent him two letters and three text messages. His reaction: nothing! To me, it is very difficult to find an integer attitude towards these extremes. Confessing love and being treated like a persona non grata at the same time. No sign of any civil behaviour. And that hurts. My mind has still looked for answers, especially from his side but that is in vain. I really have to accept the situation: he loves me but he can't have me in his life FULLSTOP. No whys. No answers. That's tough. I don't claim I'm already over this. Not at all....there is still a long bumpy road ahead. But meditation has really helped me to shut down my mind and get glimpses of states in which I trust life that it is okay like it is. And as said, it is indeed tough.
Anyway, back to you. I don't advise you to write him or not. Only you and he know what happened in your relationship, and you can estimate best if he still has strong feelings for you. If so that might not necessarily mean that he wants back into relationship mode. If you have the feeling you have to try everything by writing him a letter, do it. But I agree with Stellar1969: don't expect anything! You can read a lot about the push-and-pull dynamics on these boards.
The following might also sound trivial but it is true. You can't change people. That's out of your reach. You can only change yourself or at least treat yourself well. You can focus on yourself instead of the other person. I know that is much easier said than done. We still want to get our needs met by others but the true lesson is indeed self-love.....and that's the toughest lesson.
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Post by stellar1969 on Nov 28, 2017 21:53:30 GMT
Hi Pagesal, I broke up with my ex-parnter via SMS and a letter three months ago. His reaction was a text message saying that he was sorry for everything and he wasn't ready for a relationship at that moment of his life due to anxiety. That was followed by a huge confession of love. This is a huge relief and confirmation of my feeling on the one hand, but also a huge confusion and distress on the other side. Of course, I couldn't leave it like that. Since we broke up, I have sent him two letters and three text messages. His reaction: nothing! To me, it is very difficult to find an integer attitude towards these extremes. Confessing love and being treated like a persona non grata at the same time. No sign of any civil behaviour. And that hurts. My mind has still looked for answers, especially from his side but that is in vain. I really have to accept the situation: he loves me but he can't have me in his life FULLSTOP. No whys. No answers. That's tough. I don't claim I'm already over this. Not at all....there is still a long bumpy road ahead. But meditation has really helped me to shut down my mind and get glimpses of states in which I trust life that it is okay like it is. And as said, it is indeed tough. Anyway, back to you. I don't advise you to write him or not. Only you and he know what happened in your relationship, and you can estimate best if he still has strong feelings for you. If so that might not necessarily mean that he wants back into relationship mode. If you have the feeling you have to try everything by writing him a letter, do it. But I agree with Stellar1969: don't expect anything! You can read a lot about the push-and-pull dynamics on these boards. The following might also sound trivial but it is true. You can't change people. That's out of your reach. You can only change yourself or at least treat yourself well. You can focus on yourself instead of the other person. I know that is much easier said than done. We still want to get our needs met by others but the true lesson is indeed self-love.....and that's the toughest lesson. Love this!!! I actually am really starting to see that the reason we AP's are so focused outside of us, on our DA's mostly, is that it is so painful to focus on ourselves. I ended my relationship two months ago and have only had one text from my ex and that was only in response to a non emotional text. I have been allowing myself to grieve like I never have before. My back went out too. I have been trying to find a new man to "fixate" on. I say its because Im so sexual, but I see its because I hate having to focus only on me. Pagesal, you are fixated on all the little things, the small hopes and the semantics. I know it. Ive been there, hell, Im still there sometimes. You'll have to fins your own way through this, as we all are doing. This board mostly helps me feel less lonely or fucked up. Im devastated to lose this man, but I am also thrilled to not feel anxious everyday. Literally every day! Was always feeling so unsure of myself and him. I hated feeling like that. I am seeing that our attachment systems recognized one another. He saw someone who would run the relationship, since he cannot do that and I saw someone who would make my inner truth that I am unlovable and undeserving of love, real.
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Post by kristyrose on Nov 29, 2017 17:44:15 GMT
pagesal,
I completely understand your situation. I have been seeing my ex FA for the past 6 months- he has never even hinted at getting back together because once he makes up his mind, its set. Yet, we text daily, and see each other 1-2 times sometimes 3 times a week. If I don't respond to his emails or texts he will reach out again until I do, but of course I cannot do the same. As you know, these relationships are very one-sided.
I go back and forth about either asking us to be back together, or do I leave all together? He will never change. And he is enjoying the fact that I am in his life still, but it is entirely on his terms. I have written him countless emails that I never send, and while I do find that to be cathartic at times, it's also a waste because I ultimately do not send them. Others are so correct on here, that most DA's and FA's will not have the capacity to respond to such emails. They just can't access their own feelings nor can they empathize with yours.
I really applaud those who are FA/DA on here that are making such a huge effort with their partners, but those folks are rare.
Keep posting on here, it is a great resource and can help you through this process.
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Post by Jaeger on Nov 29, 2017 20:42:58 GMT
In relation to my dismissive avoidant ex, I find that I have no inclination at all to get into contact or pay any attention to their words. Considering the fact that her narrative for the end of the relationship and who did or didn't do certain things was so far beside the way things objectively transpired, I find it very hard to take anything she says to heart at this point.
Ever since I've returned to my secure self, I find that my focus has shifted towards what I did and what I can take from that situation to improve upon myself and any future relationships.
I suppose the question here is why do you still care about what he says or does? In focusing energy and attention outside of yourself you're allowing someone else to influence your thoughts and feelings even after a breakup. Why would you give them that degree of control over your thoughts and feelings?
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Post by pagesal on Nov 30, 2017 18:12:23 GMT
kristyrose.... Very interesting that your ex does the same thing as mine! Once he makes his mind up it is done and done. I do not understand this and wish to learn more about how it might be related to being avoidant.
I am with you in applauding those who are FA or DA and post here trying to better their situation. Thank you for the kind words. I hope you continue to post here and find a way to sort through your situation in your own time
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Post by pagesal on Nov 30, 2017 18:18:41 GMT
jaeger... I like your point of view. I am getting there but I feel I am going through a setback lately. I do not know for sure why i care what he thinks. I think it is in part because I respect him greatly. And when i have a lot of respect for somebody i usually let their opinions have more weight than my own.
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Post by yasmin on Nov 30, 2017 21:58:05 GMT
From my experience with my one avoidant ex is that he made decisions and then collected evidence to support those decisions; even when the evidence was completely flawed and didn't even make sense. One thing I have learned in life in general is that people will find evidence to support whatever makes them feel better or allows them to continue telling themselves the story they want to believe.
There's evidence that people who cheat on their husbands / wives have a set script they follow in justifying their own actions, like re-writing history to diminish the marriage and make it sound like they were a victim, or highlighting flaws in their spouse or trying to make it sound like they endured a bad marriage. I think humans are just like that and if they feel bad / wrong they have a tendency to support their bad behavior with manufactured or selective evidence.
The truth of the situation is that this guy "let you go" long before you probably even existed. He "lets things go". It's easier to do that for him
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Post by Jaeger on Nov 30, 2017 22:36:04 GMT
jaeger... I like your point of view. I am getting there but I feel I am going through a setback lately. I do not know for sure why i care what he thinks. I think it is in part because I respect him greatly. And when i have a lot of respect for somebody i usually let their opinions have more weight than my own. I'm glad to hear that you're getting there. It's both liberating and frightening when you realise nobody can make you do or feel something unless you allow it, since that makes you responsible for what you allow into your life (and even your thoughts and feelings). Valuing another's opinion is fine. Valuing it more than your own might require some critical analysis of how you view yourself if you want to avoid repeating the process, however.
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Post by serene13 on Dec 1, 2017 0:06:20 GMT
From my experience with my one avoidant ex is that he made decisions and then collected evidence to support those decisions; even when the evidence was completely flawed and didn't even make sense. One thing I have learned in life in general is that people will find evidence to support whatever makes them feel better or allows them to continue telling themselves the story they want to believe. There's evidence that people who cheat on their husbands / wives have a set script they follow in justifying their own actions, like re-writing history to diminish the marriage and make it sound like they were a victim, or highlighting flaws in their spouse or trying to make it sound like they endured a bad marriage. I think humans are just like that and if they feel bad / wrong they have a tendency to support their bad behavior with manufactured or selective evidence. The truth of the situation is that this guy "let you go" long before you probably even existed. He "lets things go". It's easier to do that for him yasmin - what you're speaking of is based on 'cognitive dissonance' theory - when people try to rationalize when they do something that violates their view of themselves, it causes an uncomfortable state of dissonance that motivates a change in either their attitudes or behavior - happens all the time. And yes I have seen DA's use it often.
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Post by stellar1969 on Dec 1, 2017 0:53:03 GMT
kristyrose.... Very interesting that your ex does the same thing as mine! Once he makes his mind up it is done and done. I do not understand this and wish to learn more about how it might be related to being avoidant. I am with you in applauding those who are FA or DA and post here trying to better their situation. Thank you for the kind words. I hope you continue to post here and find a way to sort through your situation in your own time My understanding of them making up their mind and needing to be done comes from the space that if "we" show any signs of rejection, which could include displeasure with a behavior of theirs, they need to cut off their feelings, which may include cutting off the root from where the feelings sprung from, this beloved. I think these folks are much more sensitive than we realize. They are tuned into different things though, rejection, displeasure, disruptions.... We see these things and deal with them, they have to cut off/away. I want to give you a piece of advice. Be very careful with the rabbit hole. You wonder about a behavior and next thing you know, four hours later you are researching why they did this or that and all your time is spent on them. There is a balance in understanding THEM and taking care of YOU. Someone on this forum pointed that out to me and it hit home. You will never fully know the whys, so make sure and spend a lot of time just BEING.
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