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Post by lovebunny on Aug 1, 2023 22:36:09 GMT
Almost 7 months since break up, I'm guessing I've now survived the worst of it? I still struggle with rumination and intrusive thoughts about exbf. Sometimes I’m replaying the ways he hurt my feelings and told me things I didn’t want to hear, things that should have made me leave. Maybe my brain's way of reminding me to stay away from him, no matter how lonely I feel. But just as often I remember the times when everything felt fine, and I thought I finally had everything I wanted. This was the first relationship I’d ever had where I got enough touch, sex, and affection (more than I needed, really,) not including a year or so in my 20’s when I had like 5 regular lovers (also more than I needed!) The memories of the good times are often so visceral I can feel his arms around me. I’m not doing this on purpose, not fantasizing. Sometimes these intrusive images are startlingly vivid. I clearly see my couch in his living room, the curtains I bought billowing with the windows open to the water, the bookcase where we put all the little things we’d collected over the years that mirrored each other. Our pets, who I still miss too. Logically, I know there’s no way he and I can get back together. There’s no scenario I can play out in my head where that happens, nothing will make us agree on how we want our relationship to look. But the little girl part of me who adored him and put him above me is having a meltdown, and my wiser self has to keep her from doing anything stupid. Cord-cutting visualization isn’t enough. I still feel him all around me. In one of our last communications, which was months ago, he said he “thinks about me every day.” I didn’t respond, but said to myself, “While he’s ‘thinking about me,’ I’m obsessing with every ounce of my being.” I really think losing your partner, home, pets, and going menopausal all at once ought to be illegal I experience a few moments of joy. Usually when I’m doing karaoke, singing and connecting to the people in the bar. My appetite is good. But I don’t have many days that I don’t cry at least once, especially in the morning for some reason. I need to get my act together, I’m struggling financially, I need a life plan. Something to focus on that isn’t love and sex. But I feel frozen in place, because, like, I don’t have the resilience to experience any more rejection or failure in any aspect of my life, so I just stay quiet and hide an lick wounds. I try to look cute and keep my head up when I’m out. I try not to drag anyone down by talking about it anymore. I’m honest with a couple of friends, just because I figure I need to tell someone, though there’s not much they can do for me except listen and offer advice I’ve heard before. It has taken me years to get over certain people, always women. This is the first time a man has ever got me lovesick. I really want this withdrawl/rumination/grieving to end faster this time. Got to get better at thought-stopping, or distraction. It often gets me when I'm driving, hypervigilant that I'll spot him in his truck with OW again. I think of doing something drastic to shake myself out of it. Run away to work on a cruise ship? Move to a bigger city with a better dating pool? Give up and move into my childhood bestie’s basement until my brain straightens itself out (will it?!) Get away from the trigger of seeing him around town. But I hate to leave the first place in my life where I feel like I have “roots.” And don’t they say you’re not supposed to do anything drastic for a year after a big life change? If I could truly get myself to believe something or someone better was coming along, I might feel more hopeful. I just can’t see it on the horizon from here. I'm trying to get this poison out of me, thank you for letting me bleed some here.
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Post by seeking on Aug 2, 2023 1:05:56 GMT
I'm sorry you're still struggling. I think time-wise, it makes sense. I remember being in my 20s/early 30s and going by the old "it takes half the amount of time you were in the relationship to get over it" -- I haven't heard that in years, and clearly it's pretty bogus, but I was in a 7 year relationship that was really formative for me, and it took probably those 3.5 to 4 years to get over him. I am an HSP, and that's just the way I'm wired. I experience things more deeply, more intensely, attach and have people impress-upon.
Maybe work on acceptance that he'll be in your field awhile.
But I don't know what to say other than the elephant in the room here seems to be addiction. And unless you intentionally do the work around that the addiction is going to be the driver.
I had to hit rock bottom. I got so sick of it and am still paying for it with PTSD and being nowhere near who I used to be. And, yet, making healthier choices is insanely hard. It's sort of an every day moment-to-moment thing. "In this moment I choose _________________" It's why I guess people post their days of sobriety.
I don't have any advice really. I just know that I need to connect now with solid people who build me up and who are capable of real connection. The weird addiction aspect for me seemed to be going after the sort of alchemy of "just enough" but not enough and a knowing that they wouldn't stick around (even if things on the surface didn't look that way). It was the gestalt of all my family stuff -- and I seemingly had to replay it and replay it again and again.
I'm not longer a magnet to that stuff. So that's big. But I'm not seeing where you have had enough and want to choose something different. Reading this it seems like if someone else came along like this guy you might end up there. And rinse and repeat. Which I get. But ultimately you get to make the choice and get up out of the bottom of the lovesick barrel.
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Post by introvert on Aug 2, 2023 3:17:46 GMT
Everything you've described about living on this island being tortured by obsession with this ex, I'd get the fuck off that island and force myself to get on with my life. Why torture yourself and stay stuck? What's so great about that island, the little land of no opportunity, either romantic or otherwise? It seems you've romanticized a life there, but the fantasy can't live up to reality. At some point, the carefree island life has really let you down, don't you think? It does seem like time for a life plan. However, that does involve risk, and if you're not up for change then strap in for more of the same.
I am sorry you're going through it, I am. But it's also undeniable that you have some choices here.
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Post by introvert on Aug 2, 2023 13:07:27 GMT
BTW... I recently discovered EFT tapping, there's research behind it. I downloaded an app to give it a go for a 21 day challenge. Apparently it's been shown to be helpful for a very wide variety of mental health and emotional health issues, including inner child wounding and C-PTSD, PTSD...anxiety, depression etc. I'm trying a gratitude challenge to get back into a daily gratitude habit as part of my self care routine. Maybe some of the letting go scripts would help you, or inner child/attachment work.
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Post by lovebunny on Aug 2, 2023 15:43:05 GMT
Thanks, seeking: "But I'm not seeing where you have had enough and want to choose something different. Reading this it seems like if someone else came along like this guy you might end up there. And rinse and repeat." I'm wondering what makes you say that? He did have many core values I'm seeking, as well as qualities I'm attracted to in a partner, and we connected deeply.So I guess I would like someone with my core values, like him, who I find attractive and attentive, like him--minus the selfishness, emotional immaturity and the desperate need for multiple partners. "And unless you intentionally do the work around that the addiction is going to be the driver.I had to hit rock bottom. I got so sick of it and am still paying for it with PTSD and being nowhere near who I used to be." Does the "rock bottom" concept exist outside of 12-steps? I hear it from my AA friends. Is it simply whatever happened that made you decided to start the steps? Therefore, if you haven't started the 12 steps, you must not yet have hit rock bottom? Or is it anytime you get so low you start to make positive changes? Can you have more than one? I ask because I reached what I think of as my rock bottom years ago, while lovesick over a woman in my early 20's. I've never since hurt/abandoned myself as badly as I did during that time. Back then, pre-internet, I did talk therapy and prozac. The latter helped more than the former. I didn't start doing deeper "work" until about 10 years ago after a brief love affair with a narcissist. That's when I started reading up on/talking to others about love addiction and eventually anxious attachment. I certainly hope I'm not destined for worse before I can get better! I prefer a harm reduction approach to 12 step for several reasons that I don't need to share here. I did the equivalent of "falling off the wagon" recently by breaking some of my bottom-line behaviors, and also learned I need to create some new ones (I am NOT poly.) "And, yet, making healthier choices is insanely hard. It's sort of an every day moment-to-moment thing." Yes, I hear that. I seem to do well with small, day to day choices. I don't contact the ex. Exercise, eat right, seek out friends. Make the bed, pay the bills. The big life choices (settling for partners, settling in my work life) seem to be where I sabotage myself. "The weird addiction aspect for me seemed to be going after the sort of alchemy of "just enough" but not enough and a knowing that they wouldn't stick around (even if things on the surface didn't look that way). It was the gestalt of all my family stuff -- and I seemingly had to replay it and replay it again and again." Oh yeah, and of course intermittent reinforcement is inherently addictive, if someone is playing hot and cold like a slot machine. Exbf didn't get me that way, I learned to recognize that in earlier r'ships. Instead, we played a high-stakes game of "will he abandon me or not?" which was also addictive. I've read a couple good books that explained the brain chemistry of love addiction, it's interesting stuff. Thanks for the empathy, I appreciate you!
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Post by lovebunny on Aug 2, 2023 15:49:43 GMT
Thanks, @introvert
I'm only just getting my head together enough to consider leaving a real possibility. A few things that might hold me back 1)The cost 2) Where to go? I came here after living my entire adult life in big east coast cities because winters depressed me. I would like to go somewhere I know someone, have SOME support system. I'll be leaving behind old friends and a known place in a community. 3)I want to feel like I'm running TOWARDS something I want, not away from an exbf who dumped me. YKWIM?
I do my own inner child and gratitude work already, but if you've got a good one for letting go of a person, can't hurt. I've been interested in tapping, only tried it once a little, nothing happened. What's the app?
"However, that does involve risk, and if you're not up for change then strap in for more of the same."
At the moment, I'm not up for a big risk. Too many changes too quickly, I think I'm already having an adjustment disorder from moving twice in under a year. Need some time before another big upheaval.
Thanks for your empathy!
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Post by alexandra on Aug 2, 2023 16:06:34 GMT
You don't need to be running away from your ex. It's your narrative to tell, and "I'm running away" is one the most negative ways to spin it. You may already know this, but I think what's holding you back from feeling positive about where else to go, or even staying, is to be confident in it you need to take the ex out of the equation of what's next for you totally and really figure out what it is you want for yourself out of next steps. Then it will become about moving towards something rather than running away from something else, if that helps with your framing at all.
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Post by seeking on Aug 2, 2023 16:44:01 GMT
Thanks, seeking : "But I'm not seeing where you have had enough and want to choose something different. Reading this it seems like if someone else came along like this guy you might end up there. And rinse and repeat." I'm wondering what makes you say that? He did have many core values I'm seeking, as well as qualities I'm attracted to in a partner, and we connected deeply.So I guess I would like someone with my core values, like him, who I find attractive and attentive, like him--minus the selfishness, emotional immaturity and the desperate need for multiple partners. What makes me say it is that I think there's a alchemy to who you're still looking for. That's the attraction. The guy may be selfish, emotionally immature, and avoidant mixed in with having the core values, etc. I think this change can come about with a LOT of awareness and an unwillingness to move toward someone who can't be fully in it. And I think it if were someone that available, you might have a harder time with it. That's been my personal experience.... and if the addiction is still "active," then it's going to find the right combo of what feeds it - and it sounds like there is still pain involved somehow.
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Post by seeking on Aug 2, 2023 16:52:31 GMT
"And unless you intentionally do the work around that the addiction is going to be the driver.I had to hit rock bottom. I got so sick of it and am still paying for it with PTSD and being nowhere near who I used to be." Does the "rock bottom" concept exist outside of 12-steps? I hear it from my AA friends. Is it simply whatever happened that made you decided to start the steps? Therefore, if you haven't started the 12 steps, you must not yet have hit rock bottom? Or is it anytime you get so low you start to make positive changes? Can you have more than one? I ask because I reached what I think of as my rock bottom years ago, while lovesick over a woman in my early 20's. I've never since hurt/abandoned myself as badly as I did during that time. Back then, pre-internet, I did talk therapy and prozac. The latter helped more than the former. I don't do 12 steps. Maybe the language is borrowed from there, but rock bottom is me this past month (which I wrote a little about in another post of mine), feeling like I may need to go on meds b/c I'm so messed up from relationship pain - not getting my period, being physically in pain and inflamed, not being able to sleep. And knowing what the root is - being around toxic abusive people and startling my nervous system so much and a lot of emotional pain and agony. And swearing to myself I won't do it anymore. I can't exchange my precious energy with them anymore. I can't let them suck the life out of me and leave me high and dry. I can't pretend. I have to tell the truth. And then I have to do something different - i.e., not take a swig from that poison anymore. I'm just using it as a metaphor. But I think rock bottom is living your whole life realizing you weren't always nice to yourself. You didn't care for yourself in tender gentle ways that you could. You chose people who hurt you and you kept choosing, and then ending up at 51 without having had the things you really wanted - love, a family, a chance to be who you really are. It's when things get so painful that it makes you sick and you're the one causing your own pain. Realizing that.... for me, that's rock bottom. It could be used in a more extreme sense - like I made a total mess out of things, etc. my life is in shambles... but here I'm mostly referring to relationships.
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Post by usernametaken on Aug 2, 2023 19:18:18 GMT
I feel you so much. I wish I knew what to run towards.
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Post by lovebunny on Aug 2, 2023 19:47:35 GMT
Wow, so wild how many of us going through the same thing, and at around the same age it seems? seeking, I'm so sorry, and luckily, if what "they" say is true, rock bottom means it can only get better. Your honesty and self-awareness will pull you through. usernametaken I told a friend the other day, "I have to figure out something I love as much as...love!" I've just never cared about having "a career," I always just wanted to write, act, rescue animals and be out in nature. All of which I do, none of which pays enough. And none of which makes me NOT crave a partner/family (pets count) and an amazing sex life. I figure if I'm still a mess by the new year, that probably means it's time for me to come up with an exit strategy.
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Post by seeking on Aug 2, 2023 23:17:46 GMT
seeking , I'm so sorry, and luckily, if what "they" say is true, rock bottom means it can only get better. Your honesty and self-awareness will pull you through. Thanks. I just meant that it's a good idea to find a way out before hitting rock bottom. For whatever reason, my psyche needs to before truly "getting it." So you don't want to end up down another love-sick drain before making some different choices.
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Post by introvert on Aug 3, 2023 4:24:47 GMT
Don't discount the impacts of peri/menopause on anxiety, depression, emotional overwhelm. A big part of my self care is recognizing those impacts and treating them. I don't go the medical route as hormone therapy is contraindicated for me, but I am able to improve my symptoms with well researched herbals, relaxation practices, mindful living that includes good sleep hygiene (and some well formulated cannabis gummies for sleep). Any woman in this age group (mid forties-fifties) should consider the many impacts of hormonal imbalance on mental, emotional, and physical health. lovebunny the app is called Tapping Solution. On the Insight Timer app, there is a tapping meditation specifically for letting go of an ex, don't have the name of the practitioner atm.
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Post by sunrisequest on Aug 3, 2023 7:19:23 GMT
I second Introvert's suggestion for EFT - this is something I've done, and really like it. It's super simple, you can do it anywhere. Also, if you're feeling frozen, maybe some somatic therapy or practices, to maybe get you out of your head and into your body... can take time and effort for this to work, but somatic work can really help you to unblock things that you already know the logical answer to... and get back into a flow state.
Incidentally.. and unrelated to this post.. I recently did a course and one of the tutors was a woman called Jessica Fern. She wrote a book called 'Polysecure - attachment, trauma and consensual non-monogamy'. She's got some amazing insights and ideas around attachment and how it shows up in polyamorous relationships that I found so fascinating... her book is meant to be breaking new ground in terms of talking directly to how attachment theory relates to non-monogamous relationships. I thought of some of your other posts when she was teaching... might be something you find interesting.
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Post by anne12 on Aug 3, 2023 9:14:21 GMT
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