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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 2:32:36 GMT
Oh, I get Super cagey with my parents when they ask me what am I doing on xxday. Growing up, they often asked that question with an agenda of getting me to do something I would have been liked to make that choice/commitment of my own. I would say I’m free, and I would be sicced with some task or appointment that I should do since I’m free. My grudge is not against the task, it’s the way I’m trapped into doing it. And I don’t have the balls to cancel and say no, because I have no alternative plans. I just stopped giving out information to my parents about what I’m doing.
I absolutely hate it when people don’t give me information about what it is they want from me. I feel like it’s a death trap.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 2:42:40 GMT
I don't have this issue when making plans with friends, but I do when it comes to dating. Making a date seems like a great idea one day, but then the next, I'm not feeling it. and you can definitely forget about week long vacations with a bf! That is not happening! right?! week? no! the first person i ever told about my solitude issue and being unable to make and keep plans was my recent ex. i was vaguely aware of it as an issue but i have always been a very social “loner” with my compartments so i didn’t analyze it and also didnt think about trying to change it. i just had kind of a mental block about it. but as i ponder dating again eventually i realize i will have to improve this. i don’t want a partner as deeply avoidant as it would take to date me lol. i am emotionally available to a high degree with a lifetime of habits that i realize now are quirky and not in line with progressing to dating. i don’t need much of a relationship i guess as far as “typical standards” but i am learning what works for me and what i want. unfortunately if i can’t commit to a date then i will be thwarting my own ambitions. incidentally, the recent first meet that triggered me into the stupid dead zone (omg stop it already) was supposed to be planned and happen on sunday, but i became unwilling to commit to a planned time on my day off, so i spontaneously suggested it when he asked if i was lifting that day. so it was last minute with about an hour advance knowing. thats how how i roll it’s not gonna work. so, i will definitely practice with friends. it helps me a lot to break this down here because i wasn’t sure about the details of what holds me back but this is a huge one, duh.
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Post by ocarina on Feb 14, 2018 7:27:37 GMT
This resonates with me big time!
I really don't like being pinned down - it makes me anxious and makes me want to run - however having been with a partner who's the same but worse - his own behaviour around this made me feel that my time wasn't valuable, like he didn't care. Strange since I could absolutely see him playing out my own patterns!
Being in a long term relationship with someone unable to make any plans was stilting for me as because getting on with my own life and including the two of us was impossible since I felt I was waiting around for his decisions one what to do - and in doing so missing out on things I could have been doing either alone or with other friends.
Maybe it could get better with practice - not sure there are many partners who could deal with my exes level of last minute planning - I never knew if he was coming for Christmas until the day before, holidays were a nightmare to plan and in the end it was wasting my time - either I included him and he couldn't commit so I would end up alone, or I got on without him and he would suddenly show up at the last minute. It's not easy to explain the impact it had on us, but it really was the last straw for me - planning life around someone else means your own life goes on hold which is never good.
I am working on this myself - it makes me uncomfortable but I can now see that this isn't a rational discomfort and not one that serves me well.
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Post by goldilocks on Feb 14, 2018 8:54:15 GMT
Oh, I get Super cagey with my parents when they ask me what am I doing on xxday. Growing up, they often asked that question with an agenda of getting me to do something I would have been liked to make that choice/commitment of my own. I would say I’m free, and I would be sicced with some task or appointment that I should do since I’m free. My grudge is not against the task, it’s the way I’m trapped into doing it. And I don’t have the balls to cancel and say no, because I have no alternative plans. I just stopped giving out information to my parents about what I’m doing. I absolutely hate it when people don’t give me information about what it is they want from me. I feel like it’s a death trap. This may actually be a root cause of the stress. When people use low information invitations to trap us socially, we start to associate them with being trapped, until that way of inviting itself gives us a trapped feeling. And I don’t have the balls to cancel and say no, because I have no alternative plans.
Few people do, but it would be healthy to have the ability in case there is a true trap. Because the courage to say "I am able, but not willing" and not care if people think you are selfish may make us untrappable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 8:59:44 GMT
Oh, I get Super cagey with my parents when they ask me what am I doing on xxday. Growing up, they often asked that question with an agenda of getting me to do something I would have been liked to make that choice/commitment of my own. I would say I’m free, and I would be sicced with some task or appointment that I should do since I’m free. My grudge is not against the task, it’s the way I’m trapped into doing it. And I don’t have the balls to cancel and say no, because I have no alternative plans. I just stopped giving out information to my parents about what I’m doing. I absolutely hate it when people don’t give me information about what it is they want from me. I feel like it’s a death trap. This may actually be a root cause of the stress. When people use low information invitations to trap us socially, we start to associate them with being trapped, until that way of inviting itself gives us a trapped feeling. And I don’t have the balls to cancel and say no, because I have no alternative plans.
Few people do, but it would be healthy to have the ability in case there is a true trap. Because the courage to say "I am able, but not willing" and not care if people think you are selfish may make us untrappable. Yea, with other people I have no problems but with my parents, it’s very hard. Sometimes I do by way of silent protests e.g., not responding to their requests or simply by shaking my head and moving away. In the recent time I’ve gotten increasingly resentful and the voice in my head becoming louder and clearer. I don’t think I was that aware when I was younger though I knew I didn’t like it, as I always justified it as doing my part as a family member and as a good daughter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 9:03:54 GMT
This resonates with me big time! I really don't like being pinned down - it makes me anxious and makes me want to run - however having been with a partner who's the same but worse - his own behaviour around this made me feel that my time wasn't valuable, like he didn't care. Strange since I could absolutely see him playing out my own patterns! Being in a long term relationship with someone unable to make any plans was stilting for me as because getting on with my own life and including the two of us was impossible since I felt I was waiting around for his decisions one what to do - and in doing so missing out on things I could have been doing either alone or with other friends. Maybe it could get better with practice - not sure there are many partners who could deal with my exes level of last minute planning - I never knew if he was coming for Christmas until the day before, holidays were a nightmare to plan and in the end it was wasting my time - either I included him and he couldn't commit so I would end up alone, or I got on without him and he would suddenly show up at the last minute. It's not easy to explain the impact it had on us, but it really was the last straw for me - planning life around someone else means your own life goes on hold which is never good. I am working on this myself - it makes me uncomfortable but I can now see that this isn't a rational discomfort and not one that serves me well. Well, how do you cope with that then? I had the same problem when my DA was in the runner phase.
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Post by goldilocks on Feb 14, 2018 9:11:58 GMT
Yea, with other people I have no problems but with my parents, it’s very hard. Sometimes I do by way of silent protests e.g., not responding to their requests or simply by shaking my head and moving away. In the recent time I’ve gotten increasingly resentful and the voice in my head becoming louder and clearer. I don’t think I was that aware when I was younger though I knew I didn’t like it, as I always justified it as doing my part as a family member and as a good daughter. But this is not part of being a good daughter. For what it's worth, my mother has done it at times, and I think she feels uneasy asking me for a favor directly. It has to do with her own upbringing and even conceptually seeing a daughter as a possible delegate, which is not normal in modern life, but has been okay in the past. Rationally, she completely agrees that I have a right to my own choices and she would like to be able to only ever ask openly, but sometimes an old pattern just comes out. If you speak with them rationally, do they believe they have a right to spend your free time? Are they old fashioned or from a more traditional culture?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 9:18:13 GMT
But this is not part of being a good daughter. For what it's worth, my mother has done it at times, and I think she feels uneasy asking me for a favor directly. It has to do with her own upbringing and even conceptually seeing a daughter as a possible delegate, which is not normal in modern life, but has been okay in the past. Rationally, she completely agrees that I have a right to my own choices and she would like to be able to only ever ask openly, but sometimes an old pattern just comes out. If you speak with them rationally, do they believe they have a right to spend your free time? Are they old fashioned or from a more traditional culture? Yes I agree with you - I think my mum is the same. I guess as a kid I didn’t have control over my time like I do now. Now I just do whatever I want even though at times it still happens that I get suckered into things (that are perfectly fine on their own) that I’d rather not go to. My mum would say I have a right to spend my time and acts like she’s very understanding about me growing up, but she will also have this hurt look that I have grown up and am unwilling to do things like I used to.
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Post by ocarina on Feb 14, 2018 9:25:57 GMT
This resonates with me big time! I really don't like being pinned down - it makes me anxious and makes me want to run - however having been with a partner who's the same but worse - his own behaviour around this made me feel that my time wasn't valuable, like he didn't care. Strange since I could absolutely see him playing out my own patterns! Being in a long term relationship with someone unable to make any plans was stilting for me as because getting on with my own life and including the two of us was impossible since I felt I was waiting around for his decisions one what to do - and in doing so missing out on things I could have been doing either alone or with other friends. Maybe it could get better with practice - not sure there are many partners who could deal with my exes level of last minute planning - I never knew if he was coming for Christmas until the day before, holidays were a nightmare to plan and in the end it was wasting my time - either I included him and he couldn't commit so I would end up alone, or I got on without him and he would suddenly show up at the last minute. It's not easy to explain the impact it had on us, but it really was the last straw for me - planning life around someone else means your own life goes on hold which is never good. I am working on this myself - it makes me uncomfortable but I can now see that this isn't a rational discomfort and not one that serves me well. Well, how do you cope with that then? I had the same problem when my DA was in the runner phase. I coped with it for many years - it never got better or worse, but as someone who's genuinely not an anxious type, over time it did erode my self confidence. When he left my house - or i his, we never ever had a plan of when we would see each other next - he would simply text in a couple of days to arrange a get together usually that day. It made it really difficult to either have a relationship or get on with my own life. Had we had some kind of planned together time I would have been quite happy doing my own thing, but I always felt left in some kind of limbo - if I did my own thing I wouldn 't see him and if I didn't and waited for him to contact me I would feel resentful if he was tied up with work etc and didn't arrange sometthing. Eventually I realised how precious my time was and that waiting around for him time and time again was wasting it!
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Post by lucy on Feb 14, 2018 13:15:35 GMT
Its something I really struggle with with my DA. For example he knows how difficult I find it to find a pet sitter, so I can sleep over at his place. He makes excuses not to sleep at mine. And even if all goes well, he'd only agree to 2 sleep overs a month. Last fortnight I couldnt find anyone to pet sit. This weekend I have someone available. But its Wednesday now, and he still wont tell me, if I can book her for Friday or Saturday night. She has been trying to keep herself free for me, but I told her, if she gets another job offer then she shall just go for it...and I will have to miss out on sleep over. Just because my DA cant make up his mind. And yes, it makes me feel angry and upset. I try to be understanding, but its tough...and it plain sucks! At the beginning I used to joke I am his on-call girlfriend, as sometimes I wouldnt know i'd see him until 10min beforehand. I am more used to it by now, but I still hate it. I just focus on myself more, and if he is too short notice the US time simply misses out, as I will have made other plans
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 13:22:24 GMT
After a conversation with an anxious friend, i want to add that my ex was more avoidant than i and this planning thing was a big sticking point and ultimately one of the things that made it unworkable. his windows or available time were much smaller than mine, and i am the one who needed more planning from HIM. it’s importabt to recognize we are all on a spectrum, with behaviors too. and needs. i wouldn’t be able to sustain a pairing with an AP much beyond hello, but had to work hard to maintain my pairing with a DA in some ways too.
getting more secure is the way to go, fer sure. emotionally i feel quite secure and testing confirms that pretty well , and yet i have a lifetime of habits and mindsets that i have to work really hard to adjust and it’s very unnatural!
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Post by goldilocks on Feb 14, 2018 14:35:42 GMT
Its something I really struggle with with my DA. For example he knows how difficult I find it to find a pet sitter, so I can sleep over at his place. He makes excuses not to sleep at mine. And even if all goes well, he'd only agree to 2 sleep overs a month. Last fortnight I couldnt find anyone to pet sit. This weekend I have someone available. But its Wednesday now, and he still wont tell me, if I can book her for Friday or Saturday night. She has been trying to keep herself free for me, but I told her, if she gets another job offer then she shall just go for it...and I will have to miss out on sleep over. Just because my DA cant make up his mind. And yes, it makes me feel angry and upset. I try to be understanding, but its tough...and it plain sucks! At the beginning I used to joke I am his on-call girlfriend, as sometimes I wouldnt know i'd see him until 10min beforehand. I am more used to it by now, but I still hate it. I just focus on myself more, and if he is too short notice the US time simply misses out, as I will have made other plans What if you did not arrange a pet sitter before knowing if you actually have a sleep over date? It may or may not motivate him to plan in advance, depending on how much he wants the sleepover. But right now, he gets a sleepover while he waffles until the last minute, so why would he not waffle? To me, it sounds like you are bending over backwards to make a sleepover happen, missing sleep and getting agry and upset because you bend over backward. It's good for both parties if the partner is understanding of the DA's fear to commit and tendency to waffle, but it is not good for either if the partner bends over backwards to accomodate said waffling. At the beginning I used to joke I am his on-call girlfriend, as sometimes I wouldnt know i'd see him until 10min beforehand. I am more used to it by now, but I still hate it. I just focus on myself more, and if he is too short notice the US time simply misses out, as I will have made other plansThis sounds like a much healthier attitude!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 14:55:41 GMT
Its something I really struggle with with my DA. For example he knows how difficult I find it to find a pet sitter, so I can sleep over at his place. He makes excuses not to sleep at mine. And even if all goes well, he'd only agree to 2 sleep overs a month. Last fortnight I couldnt find anyone to pet sit. This weekend I have someone available. But its Wednesday now, and he still wont tell me, if I can book her for Friday or Saturday night. She has been trying to keep herself free for me, but I told her, if she gets another job offer then she shall just go for it...and I will have to miss out on sleep over. Just because my DA cant make up his mind. And yes, it makes me feel angry and upset. I try to be understanding, but its tough...and it plain sucks! At the beginning I used to joke I am his on-call girlfriend, as sometimes I wouldnt know i'd see him until 10min beforehand. I am more used to it by now, but I still hate it. I just focus on myself more, and if he is too short notice the US time simply misses out, as I will have made other plans What if you did not arrange a pet sitter before knowing if you actually have a sleep over date? It may or may not motivate him to plan in advance, depending on how much he wants the sleepover. But right now, he gets a sleepover while he waffles until the last minute, so why would he not waffle? To me, it sounds like you are bending over backwards to make a sleepover happen, missing sleep and getting agry and upset because you bend over backward. It's good for both parties if the partner is understanding of the DA's fear to commit and tendency to waffle, but it is not good for either if the partner bends over backwards to accomodate said waffling. At the beginning I used to joke I am his on-call girlfriend, as sometimes I wouldnt know i'd see him until 10min beforehand. I am more used to it by now, but I still hate it. I just focus on myself more, and if he is too short notice the US time simply misses out, as I will have made other plansThis sounds like a much healthier attitude! hear, hear. i accommodated my ex a bit because i really prioritized our sexual intimacy and the time we spent connecting with sleep overs. it was very difficult to let go of this aspect when i left him. but, i realized that while the Quality of that aspect was phenomenal, the Quantity was insufficient and could not be negotiated to suit me. i had to figure out what my real needs are and whether he could meet them. he couldn’t. even tho we cared about each other. i am at peace now letting go because i know what i want and won’t settle! he isn’t the only guy, and unfortunately not the guy for me. sad but true.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 15:01:02 GMT
This resonates with me big time! I really don't like being pinned down - it makes me anxious and makes me want to run - however having been with a partner who's the same but worse - his own behaviour around this made me feel that my time wasn't valuable, like he didn't care. Strange since I could absolutely see him playing out my own patterns! Being in a long term relationship with someone unable to make any plans was stilting for me as because getting on with my own life and including the two of us was impossible since I felt I was waiting around for his decisions one what to do - and in doing so missing out on things I could have been doing either alone or with other friends. Maybe it could get better with practice - not sure there are many partners who could deal with my exes level of last minute planning - I never knew if he was coming for Christmas until the day before, holidays were a nightmare to plan and in the end it was wasting my time - either I included him and he couldn't commit so I would end up alone, or I got on without him and he would suddenly show up at the last minute. It's not easy to explain the impact it had on us, but it really was the last straw for me - planning life around someone else means your own life goes on hold which is never good. I am working on this myself - it makes me uncomfortable but I can now see that this isn't a rational discomfort and not one that serves me well. SAME. Omg SAME. I can’t even be mad at my ex because he is me, less aware. that knucklehead! 😁😭😂
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 15:02:16 GMT
What if you did not arrange a pet sitter before knowing if you actually have a sleep over date? It may or may not motivate him to plan in advance, depending on how much he wants the sleepover. But right now, he gets a sleepover while he waffles until the last minute, so why would he not waffle?To me, it sounds like you are bending over backwards to make a sleepover happen, missing sleep and getting agry and upset because you bend over backward. It's good for both parties if the partner is understanding of the DA's fear to commit and tendency to waffle, but it is not good for either if the partner bends over backwards to accomodate said waffling. In theory, this sounds logical that he would waffle less if she didn't make the arrangements before, but I'm not sure it will matter. Sleepovers for me are not a priority and I have to admit, I got worse about having these, rather than better, in my last relationship. I have waffled many times, because I change my mind daily. I often tell myself it's because I may or may not be in the mood, but I am sure it is about fear. In my mind, it was not about disrespecting his time or plans, but I see how it appears that way. I agree though that your time is just as important as theirs, so bending over backwards to accommodate is not the answer. Make the plans because you want to, but not to ellicit a certain response from him, because it could end in more disappointment.
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