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Post by yasmin on Mar 26, 2018 20:03:32 GMT
So...I am posting in the DA section because this is a dismissive kind of topic.
I was in my therapists office the other day, and I haven't actually talked to her AT ALL about attachment in the few months I have been seeing her and the topic has actually never come up. I went to see her actually for some unresolved grief. So during my last session, as I was leaving she handed me a booklet on "Disorganised Attachment" and asked me to read it. So she'd obviously diagnosed me as FA during our conversations. Ha ha. It took her 6 weeks and me 40 years.
So anyway, she also handed me a brochure on disassociation because she thinks I do this - just basically switch off, withdraw, feel nothing, don't miss anyone, don't want contact with anyone, don't engage on any level and slip into this state where I am just totally isolated. Also, I have disassociative amnesia, where certain elements of my past / painful things are completely blocked out. No matter how hard I try I can't remember those events. I know they happened, but I don't remember if it was by phone or face to face. I just completely block it out and can't access it even if I try very hard to.
Anyone else experiences this disassociation?
For me, there are long period of my life where I just disappeared. Moved to another country, stopped speaking to friends or family, buried ,myself in work and almost completely withdrew from my identity. Since I was 20 I can account for about 11 of those 20 years being in a complete state of withdrawal from intimate contact with ANYBODY. Like literally going weeks, months, years without having a hug or a conversation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 20:06:54 GMT
So...I am posting in the DA section because this is a dismissive kind of topic. I was in my therapists office the other day, and I haven't actually talked to her AT ALL about attachment in the few months I have been seeing her and the topic has actually never come up. I went to see her actually for some unresolved grief. So during my last session, as I was leaving she handed me a booklet on "Disorganised Attachment" and asked me to read it. So she'd obviously diagnosed me as FA during our conversations. Ha ha. It took her 6 weeks and me 40 years. So anyway, she also handed me a brochure on disassociation because she thinks I do this - just basically switch off, withdraw, feel nothing, don't miss anyone, don't want contact with anyone, don't engage on any level and slip into this state where I am just totally isolated. Also, I have disassociative amnesia, where certain elements of my past / painful things are completely blocked out. No matter how hard I try I can't remember those events. I know they happened, but I don't remember if it was by phone or face to face. I just completely block it out and can't access it even if I try very hard to. Anyone else experiences this disassociation? For me, there are long period of my life where I just disappeared. Moved to another country, stopped speaking to friends or family, buried ,myself in work and almost completely withdrew from my identity. Since I was 20 I can account for about 11 of those 20 years being in a complete state of withdrawal from intimate contact with ANYBODY. Like literally going weeks, months, years without having a hug or a conversation. i'm sorry you have experienced dissociation, it's all well and good when you're checked out but when you realize how much you've lost it can be devastating. This has been a big feature of my life, and i would like to share more but honestly, your writing about this does bring up a lot for me and i am going to come back later to share. Thanks for bringing it up. sorry i can't add more now but i will.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 14:55:55 GMT
yasmin, i'm glad your therapist is guiding you through this. I didn't have years of the no or minimal contact you described. However, i found out in my later life that i had lived many years in a dissociated state, which i was unable to recognize because i thought that the internal existence i had was normal. Of course it was to me, i didn't know otherwise. Throughout my schooling, gradeschool to high school, at least once a year a kind and concerned teacher would have a private conference with me to express concern and support and encourage me. I found this frustrating and baffling because i had absolutely no idea why i was getting this kind of attention. I grew up in a home with addiction, mental illness, and very harmful dynamics. I was the family scapegoat. In my late teens through adult life - my life is a blur. I do have memories- it's not that i didn't function on a "functional" level, or that i was completely zombified. But i was very shut down emotionally. I was offered counseling support in those years for legal crimes committed against me (victims advocates, etc...) but still i could not understand what they were saying about how affected i must be. I wanted it to just go away. A perfect storm of intervention and i would say miracles and love from other humans changed my course eventually. I have been diagnosed with Complex PTSD from childhood and Severe PTSD from adult trauma and went through a long and very beneficial healing process- over years. You may be aware that dissociation is a common and serious (and for me, at one time very prominent) symptom of the different types of PTSD. I now suffer no symptoms of PTSD whatsoever , the closest i would say is the sort of unplugging of my feelings and dissociation that happens in response to an intimacy trigger. But those are few and far between. This is the state that convinces me i have no need for intimate connection (in a romantic sense especially) and in fact at the moment, i feel nothing at all to the point that i question what has been real! But, i am very very aware of that state and seek support if i happen to go there. Support in the form of intimate connection. I don't have to talk much about it, it helps me to just be around people i trust. if i can i seek affection and assurance from my partner, or, engage quietly with my kids, - it's not good for me to be alone and feed the separation during those times. i have to actively go against an instinct there. It's something i learned over time. As i gained access to myself and my feelings and my own heart i had to grieve all the time and experiences i lost, as well as the things i was unable to save myself from when i was surviving terrible things by being shut down. Just surviving them. I thought that was normal. It doesn't make one bit of sense to me now but that's the way it was and grieving that has been tremendously painful but also , supremely healing. I'm sorry that you have had to dissociate to be ok.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 15:02:39 GMT
yasmin, i remember having to recount things that occurred, terrible things that i experienced , in detail over and over again for law enforcement, counselors, judges, and i recited it all as if it was the plot of a movie that didn't involve me. Jaws would be dropping and i would be just providing detail. I actually was ordered into therapy for healing at one point because the judge knew i wouldn't seek it on my own. Because i thought it was all over and done. I'm glad he did because that therapist did make a dent in my armor and over subsequent years i broke out of it. but good grief. How does this even happen. Good God. I'm so sorry yasmin.
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Post by goldilocks on Mar 27, 2018 16:45:38 GMT
yasmin juniperSending both of you a hug! I´m not sure if this applies to me or not. The period of neglect and abuse was before age 3 when my parents were married. After the divorce my mother was a normal parent. I have few memories from my early years, but that applies to most people.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 17:00:34 GMT
yasmin juniperSending both of you a hug! I´m not sure if this applies to me or not. The period of neglect and abuse was before age 3 when my parents were married. After the divorce my mother was a normal parent. I have few memories from my early years, but that applies to most people. thank you goldilocks. i'm sorry that when you were a sweet little girl you suffered that. really, that makes me so sad. We all were cute little kids once. Looking at photographs of myself when i was small , knowing what i know now and how things went for a long time, was actually a huge sledgehammer to my walls of defense and opened up the ability to grieve. there was a picture of me at about 3 years old, obviously trying to be brave and smiling through tears for the photographer, clutching my own little arms around me. she is my spirit animal 😍 in that now i do cry and now i think i am truly brave and i let myself be her because i like her. we all were so cute and tender! Also yasmin, all the people that tried to help me during those years, when i was dissociated, i didn't understand them. I secretly was annoyed and thought they were stupid and had no idea what my life was like. I was angry at them. So it's really good if you can see that your therapist is wise and kind and trying to help you. It sounds like you do, it sounds like you have already made headway in your healing. that's so great.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 17:13:21 GMT
i will add that my grieving began with screams of righteous indignantion for that little girl so maybe we all start that process differently, i don't know. But no child deserves less than safety and love, and the only reason our parents couldn't do it is because they didn't get it themselves. that's how i see it. making peace with that has been huge for me.
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Post by goldilocks on Mar 27, 2018 22:40:40 GMT
As a sidenote, any other Avoidants who know their ACOA role?
I think that while I am an only child, I was a lost child mostly. I lived in my own world, attaching to book characters and fantasies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 23:06:37 GMT
As a sidenote, any other Avoidants who know their ACOA role? I think that while I am an only child, I was a lost child mostly. I lived in my own world, attaching to book characters and fantasies. weirdly, well into adulthood, i described my childhood and my relationships with my parents as ideal and romanticized any good memories (few) and emphasized those while repressing and actually forgetting major trauma. I too spent lots of time alone in my imagination, i lived in a fantasy world like you did. Also, i grew up in a rural area and spent most of my time outdoors with animals and nature where i felt happy. and reading for hours and hours day upon day. That's still a huge enjoyment for me now, and i spend lots of time in the woods. almost every day. I connect to the happy part of my childhood this way, in solitude- often barefoot. nothing i love more than being alone in the woods. Except being hugged, i like that just about as much haha! But i can count on the woods no matter what! That means a lot to me!
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Post by goldilocks on Mar 27, 2018 23:27:50 GMT
I´ve opened a thread for my issues to avoid highjacking this topic, because a lot is coming up for me.
I´m feeling really emotional now.
Perhaps we DA people attach to nature, books, animals and fantasy characters because our family was not safe to attach to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 23:35:12 GMT
I´ve opened a thread for my issues to avoid highjacking this topic, because a lot is coming up for me. I´m feeling really emotional now. Perhaps we DA people attach to nature, books, animals and fantasy characters because our family was not safe to attach to. i am at a dr appt and i read about baby goldilocks. i am feeling a lot too, it brought up a lot, the whole discussion. i read your story with a lump in my throat. I hope it's healing for you, to share. i will come back and comment later this evening. Hugs, baby goldilocks . Nature is very healing, for everyone, and for some i think that's what kept us while others couldn't love us well. at least that's how i feel.
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Post by goldilocks on Mar 27, 2018 23:39:06 GMT
Thank you.
I´m crying and don´t have much to say for now, I need to be alone and feel.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 23:44:37 GMT
Thank you. I´m crying and don´t have much to say for now, I need to be alone and feel. yep. good. i gotcha.
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Post by goldilocks on Mar 28, 2018 9:00:24 GMT
I´ve opened a thread for my issues to avoid highjacking this topic, because a lot is coming up for me. I´m feeling really emotional now. Perhaps we DA people attach to nature, books, animals and fantasy characters because our family was not safe to attach to. i am at a dr appt and i read about baby goldilocks. i am feeling a lot too, it brought up a lot, the whole discussion. i read your story with a lump in my throat. I hope it's healing for you, to share. i will come back and comment later this evening. Hugs, baby goldilocks . Nature is very healing, for everyone, and for some i think that's what kept us while others couldn't love us well. at least that's how i feel. It is indeed healing for me to share. In the past, my story has been my secret and like you I focused on the positives when interacting with the outside world. From later in my childhood onward, while I did not dissociate or forget, I did disown my trauma. I was afraid that if I told others, they would use the information to hurt me or at least judge me. it is also a sign of increasing trust and ability to connect to be able to share. You telling me you read my story with a lump in your throat is also healing to me. I feel it disproves my old theories of distrust and gives me a warm connected feeling. Thank you for being awesome!
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Post by goldilocks on Mar 28, 2018 9:25:09 GMT
So...I am posting in the DA section because this is a dismissive kind of topic. I was in my therapists office the other day, and I haven't actually talked to her AT ALL about attachment in the few months I have been seeing her and the topic has actually never come up. I went to see her actually for some unresolved grief. So during my last session, as I was leaving she handed me a booklet on "Disorganised Attachment" and asked me to read it. So she'd obviously diagnosed me as FA during our conversations. Ha ha. It took her 6 weeks and me 40 years. So anyway, she also handed me a brochure on disassociation because she thinks I do this - just basically switch off, withdraw, feel nothing, don't miss anyone, don't want contact with anyone, don't engage on any level and slip into this state where I am just totally isolated. Also, I have disassociative amnesia, where certain elements of my past / painful things are completely blocked out. No matter how hard I try I can't remember those events. I know they happened, but I don't remember if it was by phone or face to face. I just completely block it out and can't access it even if I try very hard to. Anyone else experiences this disassociation? For me, there are long period of my life where I just disappeared. Moved to another country, stopped speaking to friends or family, buried ,myself in work and almost completely withdrew from my identity. Since I was 20 I can account for about 11 of those 20 years being in a complete state of withdrawal from intimate contact with ANYBODY. Like literally going weeks, months, years without having a hug or a conversation. It´s very brave of you to take the step to go our and find therapy for your unresolved grief. Not many find the courage to delve inside. You also seem to have chosen a therapist who understands your issues well, which is great of both of you. Have you noticed patterns of when you tend to disappear? For me, I did want to disconnect whenever there was a risk of others finding out a larger part of my story and seeing how hurt and flawed I was. When I was younger, my friendships were not as deep as they are now and I did not feel strong enough attachment to resist the option to make a fresh start in a new place, with new people or simply withdrawing to cocoon and return as a new me. In the moment, I saw it as a positive thing. Learning to be a better person than last year, I felt the need to set the past aside and avoid having to talk about memories that made me sad.
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