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Post by goldilocks on Mar 27, 2018 23:22:36 GMT
Trying not to hijack the other thread and starting one for my story. i will add that my grieving began with screams of righteous indignantion for that little girl so maybe we all start that process differently, i don't know. But no child deserves less than safety and love, and the only reason our parents couldn't do it is because they didn't get it themselves. that's how i see it. making peace with that has been huge for me. The first time I have really cried my heart out for baby Goldilocks, was because I have lacked safety. It was soon after my father had died, and I cried and screamed so much that my neighbour came over. She thought I was crying because I missed my father as I could not explain the situaton to her beyond telling her about my father´s death. In reality I was crying because all the safety needs I realise I actually had that my father could not give me and had not given me and the danger he has put me in. My father has severely neglected me when I was very small. As he was drinking and not working, my mother had to be the provider. He has left me home alone as a baby at least twice and had been home drunk and not performing any care several times. That I know from my mother and the divorce papers. My father has told me about letting me fetch his beers when I was a toddler. At some point after my second birthday, there has been a very dangerous abusive situation and my mother realised that my life was in danger and started the divorce process. those things I know with relative certainty. My mother has also told me my father has beaten me badly once. My father took baby Goldi to bars and god knows what could have happened. I grieved about having been exposed to my father when we had visitation. At age 11 I ended it because I started seeing into his character and realised I could not be in contact with him and grow up in a healthy way. My father has been dead to me to some degree from that point onwards. I used to resent my mother for wanting the visitation while knowing, yet not telling me that my father had been violent with others and killed his pet during that time. Now I have peace with her decision and the need for me to end contact with my father, because in the end, this has not given me the opportunity to romanticize my father. Having to be the one to dismiss my father has made me DA, with all th strengths and all the pains this entails. Yet I also mourn for the child that has been exposed to the risk of needless death. Inner child Goldilocks had to be quiet and not need much and had to be wiser an tougher and more clever than the adults and it was really hard. She was never truly safe enough to relax and be playful and foolish and all the things children can normally be. After his mother died, my father has told my uncle he had read a book about how NPD can stem from an unhealthy relationschip with the mother and that he believed he had this. I know my grandmother used my father as a partner and best friend when he was really young. My father had very low empathy and I also think he did have NPD, possibly even ASPD. He was not capable of love, but did love me within his limited ability. But it was like he loved his computer or a rare book or plant. Not enough for me as his love was neither safe nor warm. I have not been able to love him, but I have forgiven him. I do love my mother very much. She has done the best she could in a hard situation and has warmth in her heart for me.
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Post by yasmin on Mar 28, 2018 19:04:44 GMT
The of insecure attachment is I think the inner belief that "love" is unstable and unpredictable (in my case) or in some way painful.
All babies and children deserve empathy, kindness, unconditional love and care and support. It's tragic that not all got it. I hope you can remind yourself of that now. It's never to late to have a good chiildhood though - I am thinking of having mine now! Really going through this process of filling myself with all the foundations that were missing.
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Post by goldilocks on Mar 28, 2018 20:17:42 GMT
The of insecure attachment is I think the inner belief that "love" is unstable and unpredictable (in my case) or in some way painful. All babies and children deserve empathy, kindness, unconditional love and care and support. It's tragic that not all got it. I hope you can remind yourself of that now. It's never to late to have a good chiildhood though - I am thinking of having mine now! Really going through this process of filling myself with all the foundations that were missing. Deep down, I feel love is not safe. Mostly because of my father, as he really was a dangerous person. His close friend and his sibling have verified this. Forming this concept was completely logical for baby goldi. Now for child goldi from age 3, the risk of physical harm was a lot less, as my father was not in the house anymore. But I did not get the level calm and peace that I had needed to heal from the deep hurts of early childhood. I have now given myself a calm, peaceful house where I can be alone. I really wish I had had that as a child. While I am grateful that my mother kept me from serious abuse and was consistent with care, feeding, cuddles and play, she too was mildly abusive though she never intended to be. She raised her voice to me several times every week and has hit me twice in childhood and once as a young adult. She was scary when she was angry. Her heart is truly kind, but her upbringing has been very abusive raised to sacrifice herself and her kindness was applied in unhealthy dynamics. There was a vicious cycle of my mother feeling the compulsion to help people who were toxic, either bringing them in the house and making our homelife less safe and calm or letting them drain her as she could not say no. Once she was drained, the stress kept her on edge and frustrated. Much like a boil that is filled to the brink with other people's toxic mess. I was not a naughty child, I was not even an average child. I was a very quiet child, too quiet according to my teachers. But like a full boil, my mother was often ready to pop. I did not feel safe being anything but a very quiet child with few needs. I never felt truly safe in childhood period. I felt both fear and resentment throughout my childhood and teens. I cried most nights in my early teens. This is like a puzzle I am finding pieces of and putting together.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 20:48:37 GMT
The of insecure attachment is I think the inner belief that "love" is unstable and unpredictable (in my case) or in some way painful. All babies and children deserve empathy, kindness, unconditional love and care and support. It's tragic that not all got it. I hope you can remind yourself of that now. It's never to late to have a good chiildhood though - I am thinking of having mine now! Really going through this process of filling myself with all the foundations that were missing. I'm having my good childhood now. do it. go all in! ❤️
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 20:56:10 GMT
goldilocks, you're doing great. have you ever let goldi write you a letter? in her voice? to help you find the puzzle pieces? My little Juni hasn't written me but i listen regularly in my quiet time. Advice i got is to also invite her along when i go walk in the woods, or have fun with friends, so she isn't always confiding in me, she lives the happiness with me too. When my younger kids and i hike or climb trees or whatever together they aren't allowed to call me mom they call me by my first name like we're just friends and they love it!! So do i!!!! it's not like i act any different like a forced ridiculous show- i just am me, the real me, and little Juni is intact and right there with me.
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Post by goldilocks on Mar 28, 2018 21:30:44 GMT
goldilocks , you're doing great. have you ever let goldi write you a letter? in her voice? to help you find the puzzle pieces? My little Juni hasn't written me but i listen regularly in my quiet time. Advice i got is to also invite her along when i go walk in the woods, or have fun with friends, so she isn't always confiding in me, she lives the happiness with me too. When my younger kids and i hike or climb trees or whatever together they aren't allowed to call me mom they call me by my first name like we're just friends and they love it!! So do i!!!! it's not like i act any different like a forced ridiculous show- i just am me, the real me, and little Juni is intact and right there with me. Thank you! That´s a great idea. Beautiful that you walk with your inner child and have found a way to include her. I will do more inner child work when I am ready. Now is not the best time though with easter coming up. Writing about my childhood also brings back the 30something version of my mother. She has taken therapy in her 40s and became a better mother me as I reached adulthood. We lived together longer than average as I needed more time to launch and she had health issues and needed my care at times. Now as a senior she is a far better person and our relationship is better. She is also quite attached to harmony over the holidays. I don´t want to have old feelings coming up over an easter breakfast. Delving into the puzzle pieces is very emotional. I want to put the pieces in a nice box for now and reopen them on the 6th. I can keep that weekend for cocooning and healing with little goldi.
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Post by yasmin on Mar 28, 2018 21:43:34 GMT
I also have a fundamental belief love is not safe (for me). I do believe in love for others, but for me it's always meant pain, suffering, fear, unpredictability and the basic requirement for me to be perfect, have no needs and to completely succumb to the needs of someone else.
This is what creates an avoidant...I am sure of it.
That combined with just never really learning positive ways of doing the basics. Like telling someone you're sad and getting a hug. Like getting angry with somebody and them working it out with you to a resolution. Those basic things are lacking in avoidants because I think no one ever showed us that it was okay to express anything.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 21:52:00 GMT
I also have a fundamental belief love is not safe (for me). I do believe in love for others, but for me it's always meant pain, suffering, fear, unpredictability and the basic requirement for me to be perfect, have no needs and to completely succumb to the needs of someone else. This is what creates an avoidant...I am sure of it. That combined with just never really learning positive ways of doing the basics. Like telling someone you're sad and getting a hug. Like getting angry with somebody and them working it out with you to a resolution. Those basic things are lacking in avoidants because I think no one ever showed us that it was okay to express anything. my mind is BLOWN how you and Goldi keep saying what is inside me. Learning positive ways of doing the basics. Like telling someone you're sad and getting a hug. all of this has been coming to me over the last few years so now i can do those things and my life is beautiful. I've never heard someone else express these things like you and Goldi are. My partner, but he isn't as clear and he is a guy who isn't strong on articulating it. we talk but he doesn't have a carbon copy of my heart like you guys do. I am still working, i can't believe how complex and how many layers there are to all this. As evidenced by my deactivation thread. and i've been working on myself a long time! I am really glad you are sharing. it means a lot to me to see this mirror. It's really amazing and healing and i feel a deep sense of belonging that makes me eyes and nose sting.... ah yes... that's crying. lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 21:53:56 GMT
goldilocks , you're doing great. have you ever let goldi write you a letter? in her voice? to help you find the puzzle pieces? My little Juni hasn't written me but i listen regularly in my quiet time. Advice i got is to also invite her along when i go walk in the woods, or have fun with friends, so she isn't always confiding in me, she lives the happiness with me too. When my younger kids and i hike or climb trees or whatever together they aren't allowed to call me mom they call me by my first name like we're just friends and they love it!! So do i!!!! it's not like i act any different like a forced ridiculous show- i just am me, the real me, and little Juni is intact and right there with me. Thank you! That´s a great idea. Beautiful that you walk with your inner child and have found a way to include her. I will do more inner child work when I am ready. Now is not the best time though with easter coming up. Writing about my childhood also brings back the 30something version of my mother. She has taken therapy in her 40s and became a better mother me as I reached adulthood. We lived together longer than average as I needed more time to launch and she had health issues and needed my care at times. Now as a senior she is a far better person and our relationship is better. She is also quite attached to harmony over the holidays. I don´t want to have old feelings coming up over an easter breakfast. Delving into the puzzle pieces is very emotional. I want to put the pieces in a nice box for now and reopen them on the 6th. I can keep that weekend for cocooning and healing with little goldi. a wise and wonderful plan! 🤗
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Post by yasmin on Mar 28, 2018 22:21:45 GMT
It is complex, but I think the problem is that mainly you have no barometer for normal!
One thing I noticed for example is that if I love someone and I am dating them, and I get angry with them, I can often find that VERY hard to express. Weirdly I am ballsy and very verbal and no one would ever describe me as shy or easygoing - I am pretty gung ho- but I have this deep seated belief that if someone you love makes you angry and you tell them this, that they will stop loving you / react angrily / punish you because that is basically all I ever knew.
I used to have a long term partner and every time I got angry / told him something he was doing was upsetting me then he would cry, vomit and beg me not to leave him and the situation never got resolved. I never even realised that was manipulative and selfish of him because it was just my version of normal.
I think starting to analyse those basics...
1) how do I communicate sadness or emotions of vulnerability?
2) How do I communicate anger or tell someone "no"?
3) How do I hold my boundaries and make sure my needs are equally important to my partner?
Think about how you did those things as a child, what did your parents do if you didn't comply? If they hurt you, did they ever say sorry? If you cried in front of them, what did they do? then remember this is how you're going to expect partners to react. Watch, observe yourself and you can start to write a different story hopefully.
It's so scary to do those basics if you are avoidant. APs can do it no problem, but we can't. We learned to be quiet, to pretend, to avoid, to not feel, to not express because there was no damn point in doing otherwise.
I think if we learn to communicate, to feel safe communicating then that's a massive percentage of the intimacy dealt with.
Intimacy for me: kissing, sex, cuddling, supporting - all easy. Telling someone they hurt me? Gaah...impossible. MAYBE I can do it in writing but to actually speak it, I would be shaking.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 1:17:25 GMT
I love this thread and relate to it so much. I too equate love and pain, and I pick hurtful partners. Love is unpredictable, and unsafe. I never really thought of it in this way, but it resonates with me. It's no wonder I pick partners that are hurtful and abusive, it feels normal. Consciously, I think I am picking the opposite, but it never turns out to be. I would like to feel love that's not toxic, but how?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 1:32:21 GMT
I love this thread and relate to it so much. I too equate love and pain, and I pick hurtful partners. Love is unpredictable, and unsafe. I never really thought of it in this way, but it resonates with me. It's no wonder I pick partners that are hurtful and abusive, it feels normal. Consciously, I think I am picking the opposite, but it never turns out to be. I would like to feel love that's not toxic, but how? @mary, so glad you're joining us here. I have only had hurtful and abusive partners in the past. Working through all of it, and continuing to work, and having safe relationships in my life (of all kinds) - i have found inner child work to be the most helpful. i thought at one time that i only had to look at those wounds once.... but it's been a process of many layers over years. The thing is, the little mary inside of you directs choices with her own fears. and what is familiar. and what she thinks she can control. that's a simple way of putting it. it's more complex. but when you can learn to listen to her and take care of her you can consciously change unconscious patterns driven by pain. i'm sorry, i don't mean to diminish any experience you might have had already do that! But if you haven't delved much into inner child stuff i highly recommend it.
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Post by goldilocks on Mar 30, 2018 9:17:32 GMT
Just here to let you know that I have been reading ❤️
I have also been writing a lot...
About preteen, teen and young adult Goldi in relationships.
And something more like a metaphor.
I also have stuff to write about young Goldi in relation to home life and safety.
And I have found out why I am afraid of approach.
Sharing here and receiving your reflections back is deeply healing and I appreciate you all. It is also very hard work and causes more and more material to well up.
Speaking of welling up, I am in tears often, and it is OK.
I am currently interpreting and packaging what has already come up and my plate is full.
Have a good long weekend! ❤️❤️❤️
Much love, Goldilocks
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Post by goldilocks on Mar 30, 2018 9:26:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 19:39:49 GMT
goldilocks, this brought tears to my eyes when i read it. again, i am so thankful for everyone here and i am so sincerely happy that you are healing through things this way. i am going to listen to that song. I get so moved by all this stuff! because i know how badly we all hurt, and how badly we all want to love and be loved in a safe way. Anxious and Avoidant both. Really glad we all have each other actually, and can let it all hang out! the anonymity of the internet has some good points 😁😍
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