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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 22:33:51 GMT
just because we are totally outnumbered and expected to respect the feelings and safe space of the AP's (by not challenging their negative portrayals) while our safe space is optional, doesn't mean we have to play by AP rules. doh, it took a minute to find the energy to solve that one lol!!! i am used to shutting up and making do but that's not necessary here. goldilocks , if you don't i will. it takes less time to do that then to have to carefully phrase so as not to offend posters with bad Exes. i'm already at my action point. i would love to continue to participate here with open minded and healing AP's who care for their DA in a tangible way. but i'd like a different general atmosphere and i am sure there are DA lurkers who feel the same! I can look into it this weekend. A private board is likely one of the better solutions. If I can make a board with appropriate permissions in a day, thatis a better time investment that telling each individual out of line AP poster to please take that vitriol to another board and walk on eggshells so often. After a day at work, I'm not ready to face a bunch of hostility, as you have been receiving in one of the threads today. As you said: My friendships are all warm and healthy, and even at work people tend to be polite even if a bit stressed. Nothing happens that is as far out of line as some of the mess I encounter here. there are so many positive and great posters here and i like to share the process with them. but yes it's the new posters who come here as victims. that's what gets me. The intentions that they (the angry blaming victim ones) attribute to their DA are just so horrible. it's like they think they are full of love and only trying to protect themselves.... how innocent. it's all love and rainbows and unicorns on their end. and bad DA is out to hurt and abuse and use them with no heart at all. like a damn sociopath. i am just so done. I would invite anyone to walk a mile in MY shoes. but i am constantly expected to just try to walk a mile in theirs. that's the feeling i get. Protect their feelings, and to goddamn hell with mine. I am venting, yes. AND ITS ABOUT TIME! let's look into it. i can help you moderate and take care of stuff too. I think you have enough genius in you to run a super helpful forum and i will be glad to contribute!!!
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 19, 2018 23:01:03 GMT
Its the drama triangle. The cast themselves in the victim role and their DA in the villain role. Yet they also cast their DA in the victim role and themselves in the rescuer role.
Many AP do have boundaries and behave well, but some are just so stuck in anger and drama and blame games.
And some just get really ugly...
Like the DA says "Hey I don't want to be with you romantically, but we can get laid or see a mavie as friends."
AP hears "If only you will prove yourself to me by leaving a toothbrush after sex or plotting from the friendzone, I will surely profess my undying love"
"He seems to enjoy my company, and only threw out my toothbrush twice, so I guess he is becoming aware that I'm his twin flame."
Then after years of friendship and/or a few rolls in the hay, the AP gets upset and is like "I love you but I hate everything you do and everything you say!"
And the DA is like "Um okay, so maybe we should not be together, lets have a break"
AP comes onto the forum "My DA is such a #%$@. How do I get revenge and then reform him into prince charming???!?!?"
That stuff just gives me an instant headache.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 23:08:26 GMT
Its the drama triangle. The cast themselves in the victim role and their DA in the villain role. Yet they also cast their DA in the victim role and themselves in the rescuer role. Many AP do have boundaries and behave well, but some are just so stuck in anger and drama and blame games. And some just get really ugly... Like the DA says "Hey I don't want to be with you romantically, but we can get laid or see a mavie as friends." AP hears "If only you will prove yourself to me by leaving a toothbrush after sex or plotting from the friendzone, I will surely profess my undying love" "He seems to enjoy my company, and only threw out my toothbrush twice, so I guess he is becoming aware that I'm his twin flame." Then after years of friendship and/or a few rolls in the hay, the AP gets upset and is like "I love you but I hate everything you do and everything you say!" And the DA is like "Um okay, so maybe we should not be together, lets have a break" AP comes onto the forum "My DA is such a #%$@. How do I get revenge and then reform him into prince charming???!?!?" That stuff just gives me an instant headache. HEY STOP SLAMMING A PARTICULAR ATTACHMENT TYPE THAT CRAP HURTS PEOPLE!!! freaking insensitive DA!!!! Yes... I HATE HIM HE'S HEARTLESS HOW CAN I GET HIM TO TALK TO ME?!? What an ass why won't he call?!? i guarantee they were aggressive to the DA with their character assasination and DA is no dummy.... no psychopath either. But it takes a while to see that i guess and i can't take the DA blaming shaming and naming any more. I am sure many will say Good Riddance To Juniper. I will stay in touch as i like with the ones i interact with and the DA haters can just feel the relief when i'm gone 🙂🙃🙂
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Post by shyloh on Apr 20, 2018 1:08:15 GMT
To Goldilocks and Junipur I came on this forum to heal, get express freely, relate, understnad myself better and inner reflect. I understand that AP’s are using your knowledge to get answers but that is part rejection in general and they are just as frustrated and overwhelmed with their journy just as DA often feel. I agree you do deserve a safe place to be you and heal. However, I think the judgement you have both posted is over the top. I am leaving this forum because I see only judgment and not a place of healing. Both of you have a lot to offer both DA and AP. It’s unfortunate that you choosing atract and to add to the toxicity as you have done here today.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 1:13:51 GMT
may we all find the best resource ❤️
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 1:19:07 GMT
To Goldilocks and Junipur I came on this forum to heal, get express freely, relate, understnad myself better and inner reflect. I understand that AP’s are using your knowledge to get answers but that is part rejection in general and they are just as frustrated and overwhelmed with their journy just as DA often feel. I agree you do deserve a safe place to be you and heal. However, I think the judgement you have both posted is over the top. I am leaving this forum because I see only judgment and not a place of healing. Both of you have a lot to offer both DA and AP. It’s unfortunate that you choosing atract and to add to the toxicity as you have done here today. . i'm leaving too so i completely respect your choice and wish you the very best !
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Post by tnr9 on Apr 20, 2018 3:56:02 GMT
Juniper, Goldilocks, Mary and others....I am so sorry that this forum, which was specifically opened so that you could interact with each other without judgement or questions or interference to your own recovery is no longer a safe zone. I respect your decision to create a more secure forum that allows you to moderate it as you please. Your presence however will be missed on these boards. I wish you so much peace and love on your healing journey. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 4:28:02 GMT
Juniper, Goldilocks, Mary and others....I am so sorry that this forum, which was specifically opened so that you could interact with each other without judgement or questions or interference to your own recovery is no longer a safe zone. I respect your decision to create a more secure forum that allows you to moderate it as you please. Your presence however will be missed on these boards. I wish you so much peace and love on your healing journey. ❤️❤️❤️❤️ thank you tnr9. isn't it ironic? we vent frustrations and there's so many triggers... we should be ashamed of ourselves i'm not being facetious with you, i know you are sincere here. but i am speaking to the incredible double standard here that is so hypocritical! once i saw AP's ask a DA for their input and the input was given, and holy hell. the acting out. bad DA. I have seen AP write "Why can't the DA just tell me how they feel instead of holding it in?" DA says how they feel and holy hell. meanie DA. the sensitive AP people are really insensitive!! the angry AP people accusing selfishness and evil intent are mean mean mean!!! No! they are just hurt. They have an excuse. whatt?!?! 😬 The literature points out these behaviors as toxic and offensive BUT that gets missed when AP is diagnosing and mindreading DA!! what the heck. i'm not mad i'm exasperated and a little bemused. I myself was shamed all my everlovin' life. these AP poster sound just like my mom. she was personality disordered. If you read the character assasination and assignment of evil intent so many AP do here regarding their avoidant.. that's my life since i was a girl. i was just so evil. Ha! what a bunch of crap! Well, that doesn't bother me, has anyone seen me really tear into before today? nah. But i'm tired of playing by rules no one else plays by. i think we avoidants have showed a massive amount of restraint. anyway, thanks for listening to me vent. I actually am not all mad just really saying what i think about the dynamic. i'm here as long as i want to be or get kicked out, still interacting with some privately, mulling with Goldi here because i guess we can? lol. i wish you the best also. 🙂
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 20, 2018 9:43:39 GMT
Juniper, Goldilocks, Mary and others....I am so sorry that this forum, which was specifically opened so that you could interact with each other without judgement or questions or interference to your own recovery is no longer a safe zone. I respect your decision to create a more secure forum that allows you to moderate it as you please. Your presence however will be missed on these boards. I wish you so much peace and love on your healing journey. ❤️❤️❤️❤️ I also wish you all the best. While we operate differently, I can see you are hurting and making the best of it and wishing others well. That is what is essential ~❤️❤️❤️~
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Post by yasmin on Apr 20, 2018 9:45:38 GMT
I don't think you have to leave. Just come and go and join in on posts you find helpful and ignore ones you don't.
All internet forums are the same. You just have to filter.
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 20, 2018 9:46:06 GMT
juniperI have opened the new forum, it was a lot less work than trying to make people understand. Once you have tested it, I'm happy to offer other DA's a place to rest and heal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 11:29:35 GMT
I don't think you have to leave. Just come and go and join in on posts you find helpful and ignore ones you don't. All internet forums are the same. You just have to filter. this isnt about HAVE to leave. 🙂 of course i know i can take what i want and leave the rest. did you read anything here? why invalidate the way this really is a problem for us? it's also about the hall monitors here who can't let us engage with an OP who likes what were contributing without bossing and whining because they don't condone our contribution. it takes a lot of energy to respond an we don't have to but holy cow. members that i am corresponding with via PM and I can carry on our stuff in private. So the forum has lost its usefulness to me absolutely. but it was good for a time and i appreciate all who helped me. Goldilocks and i already work issues together in private. br]this is about a want, anyway, and feelings, and that's good enough. that's valid. and not all forums are the same. what?!?!! 😳 some are moderated, exclusive, for a certain membership. they can be customized. useful for a small group. have you not posted on something more focused before? private forums have been around forever. i'm surprised you didn't know that but that's a very real viable option and i'm gonna go check the new one out. Goldi and i can build that how we want, for DA healing without AP processes. She has such an incredible knowledge and resource pool. i don't think a DA forum that's friendly exists... wait now it does but it's just a baby lol. Anyway, it's just a preference, but thank you for your support
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 11:37:52 GMT
juniperI have opened the new forum, it was a lot less work than trying to make people understand. Once you have tested it, I'm happy to offer other DA's a place to rest and heal. i thank you, i will check it out today. this forum can be whatever we need. and not based on a book geared to AP lol! i don't care if they understand. i just don't want to deal with the whining about me and other DA any more. i've seen what happens to DA who say what they think. AP posters here want to gain our perspective but only the ones they can use, only what they want. only what they approve of. i saw it going back through old posts... very few DA here and i wonder why lol. they will pick brains publicly and privately and slap a muzzle on if we speak candidly about something they didn't ask about! of it triggers them, that's OUR duty to resolve. and they are triggered very easily!! and logic... that's mean. they don't like that. just take care of their big ouchie feels. we're the heros and villains here, and i am tired of walking on eggshells to make sure no one has to correct me. see what happens when i do that? not my problem. thank you goldi. 😍😍😍
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 12:07:24 GMT
eeep i love it this is exciting thank you from the bottom of my heart goldilocks. maybe you can maintain membership and a link here so if a DA comes thinking this is the only place for DA they can have the option of our forum also? they could message you for membership? i have no idea if Jeb would support that but he is sympathetic to a point i know.
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 20, 2018 17:47:36 GMT
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