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Post by goldilocks on Apr 17, 2018 6:22:29 GMT
I want for myself and other dismissives to continue to have a place where we can work among ourselves on our own healing. To achieve this, the support forums need to remain an environment among avoidants only. (FA working specifically on their avoidant issues can contribute to the forum.) There are very few resources for dismissives to share feelings from our own point of view within a container of acceptance. I want to keep this resource functional.
There have recently been posts from AP's and while most posts were not out of line, it causes a blurring of boundaries. Once boundaries are blurred, the container is not as safe. There are many dismissives out there, 25% of the population, who are in pain and who need a place to heal. Please let us have this place.
If there is a topic of interest, feel free to post a spinoff in another forum.
Thank you in advance.
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Post by scheme00 on Apr 17, 2018 8:21:12 GMT
Don’t you think it is beneficial for members with secure or AP attachment styles to weigh in on topics? I think that there is indeed a problem with criticism and that should be left out of a support forum. This should be a place of 100% non judgement. I believe your whole post comes down to one word: Acceptance. That is what is missing from most people that wander into this subtopic because they see the word Dismissive. There is a need to clamor and try to understand the people with the same attachment style of their lovers who have left them hurt. I think Jeb should make a DISMISSIVE ONLY subcategory. That would create a space for only DA looking to chat with similar attachment style. For now this one is labeled “support for DA” and should be a support forum. And actually, Jeb has labeled this sub forum “or DAs working on themselves, and others who want to support them.” Not DA ONLY. Which i think is also a great idea. .
There is a difference between trying to hijack a thread or criticism and posting a non judgemental point of view. It seems that everyone in this site can take things very personal which is understandable since many of us are here for specific situations and under duress. If most DA members say that they don’t want other points of view then by all means I think this should be a closed off section. Other members have brought this up before. But I believe this should be a “support” forum for DA members by members on either side. I myself would be lost without the insight from the opposite attachment style. Thoughts?
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Post by tnr9 on Apr 17, 2018 10:16:44 GMT
Don’t you think it is beneficial for members with secure or AP attachment styles to weigh in on topics? I think that there is indeed a problem with criticism and that should be left out of a support forum. This should be a place of 100% non judgement. I believe your whole post comes down to one word: Acceptance. That is what is missing from most people that wander into this subtopic because they see the word Dismissive. There is a need to clamor and try to understand the people with the same attachment style of their lovers who have left them hurt. I think Jeb should make a DISMISSIVE ONLY subcategory. That would create a space for only DA looking to chat with similar attachment style. For now this one is labeled “support for DA” and should be a support forum. And actually, Jeb has labeled this sub forum “or DAs working on themselves, and others who want to support them.” Not DA ONLY. Which i think is also a great idea. . There is a difference between trying to hijack a thread or criticism and posting a non judgemental point of view. It seems that everyone in this site can take things very personal which is understandable since many of us are here for specific situations and under duress. If most DA members say that they don’t want other points of view then by all means I think this should be a closed off section. Other members have brought this up before. But I believe this should be a “support” forum for DA members by members on either side. I myself would be lost without the insight from the opposite attachment style. Thoughts? This was discussed before scheme.....this was set up as a forum for DAs to talk to each other (without having to myriad of questions and counter posts that are expressed in the base DA section). I haven't seen a single poster with a DA attachment style post in the AP support section. Let's give this support forum the same respect. If you want to "support" them, then you can like a post. You can certainly take anything you read here that you want to comment on into the base DA section.
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 17, 2018 16:35:38 GMT
This was discussed before scheme.....this was set up as a forum for DAs to talk to each other (without having to myriad of questions and counter posts that are expressed in the base DA section). I haven't seen a single poster with a DA attachment style post in the AP support section. Let's give this support forum the same respect. If you want to "support" them, then you can like a post. You can certainly take anything you read here that you want to comment on into the base DA section. Yes. The base DA section is what I'd use if I wanted an opinion from all angles. If APs want to interact with other types, they can already to to the base DA section. Several DA posters have left these forums after facing hostility in the base DA section or being expected to serve as unpaid relationship coaches. We are already outnumbered and even for other styles, it may be of added value to have an environment that is a bit more welcoming to the remaining DAs and to those DAs out there who would like to heal. While boundaries could be more flexible were these forums moderated and misplaced threads moved, right now, the only thing that is keeping new AP posters from posting questions in the DA support forums, is a good example. Some of the things APs see as supportive, feel intrusive to DAs. It is already difficult for us to be vulnerable. Therefore, I kindly ask the AP's to post and respond in the base DA section. That is all I can do to improve the situation, aside from leaving.
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Post by leavethelighton on Apr 18, 2018 23:20:25 GMT
Am I one of the people you are thinking of? I have an AP side and a DA side (depending on the person/relationship) and so I post in both. I know that kind of goes against all the lore but I do identify with both depending on the context.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 3:50:50 GMT
i feel strongly that this section should not welcome questions posed by other attachment styles. Or criticisms or anything of that nature.
I have used this section to explore aspects of life as a dismissive that i really need help and support from other dismissives on. So that i can heal my self, my life, my relationships. My family. My children. all that is important to me.
Also, having been so maligned generally in the massive amounts of biased internet offerings on relationships and attachment styles, and also on the forum by unaware AP's, or aware AP's still stuck in mindreading or misunderstanding or victim mode, i have really appreciated a place to speak with a relative guarantee of understanding and compassion and helpful insight from fellow avoidants.
The path to awareness for a dismissive is frought with obstacles and discouraging pitfalls throughout our culture. many of the models for relationship invalidate, alienate, or completely misrepresent and negatively characterize our style based on extreme end of spectrum generalizations, while romanticizing and minimizing the maladaptive coping mehanisms of our opposites, AP's. Why does this matter? because the other style posting here are typically AP's in duress , because of their unhealthy involvement with .... a DA.
I want to also appreciate the generous support that i received from all styles with my recent deactivation and trigger posts. The love and support was tremendously helpful and and a real gift to me. I think it is obvious that nobody came to my assistance with an agenda to glean insight, other than what they may gain by reading. (which i think is useful and i am so happy if it can aid anyone in understanding and empathizing with the DA struggle. The pain is deep, real, and widely .... DISMISSED.)
So, i truly believe that we must be able to cordon off an area , for DA relating. And that thread posts should be on topic and anything veering off, can move. I think that is most helpful to the DA's who need to heal. This is where their needs come first. If we don't do this, eventually there will not be a DA population to provide insight. Also, perhaps we can attract more DA if they see that they will have a well boundaried place to approach their issues with exclusively DA support. Goldi and I have been in recovery many years to get to the place of being able to post. It would be so nice, a dream of mine maybe, to have more newly awakening DA's find hope and help here also. It's free. It's real. It's powerful and it needs to be therapeutically safe. I feel strongly about that. I want more DA to heal.
On the other hand, would not have been doing ok to wait for DA availability for this last emergency. There are not enough active DA to meet an urgent need for support. In the future, i could take an urgent need to the base forum indicating a sincere need for helpful support in the introductory post. i would be willing to do that.
We have a very low population of avoidants and urgent needs may need to go to another place to make helpful AP's feel comfortable offering support. The outpouring of support to me recently made the difference perhaps between a major disaster in my relationship, or an intense trigger due to illness of a loved one that i ultimately handled well with help and encouragement. I cannot express my gratitude for the help and the outcome enough.
It's a good thing to consider and try to implement an exclusive environment, in my opinion. With urgent needs or open posting taken to the DA base?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 12:09:50 GMT
goldilocks, i woke up inspired. these pro board forums and free and easy to set up. You have such a vast knowledge and collection of resources you could share as the host, with an open invitation to only dismissives. you can require approval of registration. we could cover topics together and over time i am sure that new members would come. It could be a healing resource for underserved DA. any lurkers who want to learn and understand would be free to do so but it would be limited to exclusive membership. it could be groundbreaking. we could link to this forum as a resource, it's not about leaving this forum out of the mix altogether. but i know it's not healthy for me to have only a place where so much misinformation and negative opinion exists about my type as my only place to share and write and examine myself. what do you think? i recently deleted my account because participation had become a negative thing as i read account after account from angry and hurt AP who in their own dysfunction place so much blame and interpret everything with such a horribly negative, hypocritical, and fear based perspective. the aassumptions i read about DA, and the generalizations, are just too much sometikes i would prefer not to contact it so much as can happen when participating here. i understand that it's part of ignorance but that doesn't mean i care to encounter it so much on my path. often when confronted, a new AP poster will readily admit a bias and their own dysfunction but many lead with the victim mentality that ultimately is just about textbook same and not actually supported by the research they claim to have done to even discover who is AP and who is DA. And some of the posting is incredibly spiteful, it reminds me so much of emotional abuse i have encountered, that it's almost triggering but i remember where i am - on the internet. and we know what happens there. They have every right to come here as they are and say what they need to say, but all participation including ours is voluntary and we aren't known for ignoring solutions that best serve us lol!! we could do something really good with this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 12:13:18 GMT
i read a thread once by an AP poster who said the way to a DA's heart was through the ribs with a sharp knife. It was intended as a lighten up post. humor. A couple of people protested, but some actually found it amusing. it faded to oblivion but that shit would never happen in a moderated forum. i am kind of excited about this prospect.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 12:50:46 GMT
just because we are totally outnumbered and expected to respect the feelings and safe space of the AP's (by not challenging their negative portrayals) while our safe space is optional, doesn't mean we have to play by AP rules. doh, it took a minute to find the energy to solve that one lol!!! i am used to shutting up and making do but that's not necessary here. goldilocks, if you don't i will. it takes less time to do that then to have to carefully phrase so as not to offend posters with bad Exes. i'm already at my action point. i would love to continue to participate here with open minded and healing AP's who care for their DA in a tangible way. but i'd like a different general atmosphere and i am sure there are DA lurkers who feel the same!
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Post by nic on Apr 19, 2018 13:57:41 GMT
just because we are totally outnumbered and expected to respect the feelings and safe space of the AP's (by not challenging their negative portrayals) while our safe space is optional, doesn't mean we have to play by AP rules. doh, it took a minute to find the energy to solve that one lol!!! i am used to shutting up and making do but that's not necessary here. goldilocks, if you don't i will. it takes less time to do that then to have to carefully phrase so as not to offend posters with bad Exes. i'm already at my action point. i would love to continue to participate here with open minded and healing AP's who care for their DA in a tangible way. but i'd like a different general atmosphere and i am sure there are DA lurkers who feel the same! Juniper, I just want to say you've been an incredible help to me personally. I can bounce between DA/AP attachment but in most cases I identify with DA. This board would suffer some really valuable insight if you and other DAs are not feeling comfortable and feel the need to break free. I support staying out of the DA support forum when its not relating to our own DA behavior. Everyone should be supportive of one another as we all struggle here. We just struggle differently. I find my own AP behavior much easier to explain to others vs. my DA behaviors, as they don't make sense to even myself. So I can see why APs are desperately trying to understand the other side. Bottom line is that we are all in charge of our own lives and we choose how we navigate through and how much is too much to handle before we lose our own sense of self and happiness. But we can't blame others, or other "types" for our pain when/if we choose to stay in a situation that is not healthy for our own well being. So if DAs need a space of their own lets respect that. Maybe rather than leave the forum all together, kindly remind posters to resubmit their post under one of the other categories and you'd be happy to respond there (well only if you would be lol). And to delete the post in the DA support forum. A canned response that can be used each time. I'd hate to see folks go ☹
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 14:03:44 GMT
just because we are totally outnumbered and expected to respect the feelings and safe space of the AP's (by not challenging their negative portrayals) while our safe space is optional, doesn't mean we have to play by AP rules. doh, it took a minute to find the energy to solve that one lol!!! i am used to shutting up and making do but that's not necessary here. goldilocks, if you don't i will. it takes less time to do that then to have to carefully phrase so as not to offend posters with bad Exes. i'm already at my action point. i would love to continue to participate here with open minded and healing AP's who care for their DA in a tangible way. but i'd like a different general atmosphere and i am sure there are DA lurkers who feel the same! Juniper, I just want to say you've been an incredible help to me personally. I can bounce between DA/AP attachment but in most cases I identify with DA. This board would suffer some really valuable insight if you and other DAs are not feeling comfortable and feel the need to break free. I support staying out of the DA support forum when its not relating to our own DA behavior. Everyone should be supportive of one another as we all struggle here. We just struggle differently. I find my own AP behavior much easier to explain to others vs. my DA behaviors, as they don't make sense to even myself. So I can see why APs are desperately trying to understand the other side. Bottom line is that we are all in charge of our own lives and we choose how we navigate through and how much is too much to handle before we lose our own sense of self and happiness. But we can't blame others, or other "types" for our pain when/if we choose to stay in a situation that is not healthy for our own well being. So if DAs need a space of their own lets respect that. Maybe rather than leave the forum all together, kindly remind posters to resubmit their post under one of the other categories and you'd be happy to respond there (well only if you would be lol). And to delete the post in the DA support forum. A canned response that can be used each time. I'd hate to see folks go ☹ thank you for this nic. I think, for me, not exposing myself to the toxicity of angry AP's is more valuable than having an exclusive forum. i don't encounter it in my daily life except for here. I tolerate it here because i have to. any DA poster here would be encouraged and more than welcome to come participate without that aspect! it doesn't mean participation here ends, but this would definitely not be my first choice. it's just wearing and negative and unnecessary to encounter the toxic side of AP continuously at this point of my journey. It's not what i want to do. i want to support something different. AP in recovery can empathize and deal with that and coach it. this forum will always be here for them for that. I would just as soon leave it behind because it's not important to me nor it helpful for my process. it's actually a distraction and impediment.
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Post by nic on Apr 19, 2018 15:40:34 GMT
Juniper, I just want to say you've been an incredible help to me personally. I can bounce between DA/AP attachment but in most cases I identify with DA. This board would suffer some really valuable insight if you and other DAs are not feeling comfortable and feel the need to break free. I support staying out of the DA support forum when its not relating to our own DA behavior. Everyone should be supportive of one another as we all struggle here. We just struggle differently. I find my own AP behavior much easier to explain to others vs. my DA behaviors, as they don't make sense to even myself. So I can see why APs are desperately trying to understand the other side. Bottom line is that we are all in charge of our own lives and we choose how we navigate through and how much is too much to handle before we lose our own sense of self and happiness. But we can't blame others, or other "types" for our pain when/if we choose to stay in a situation that is not healthy for our own well being. So if DAs need a space of their own lets respect that. Maybe rather than leave the forum all together, kindly remind posters to resubmit their post under one of the other categories and you'd be happy to respond there (well only if you would be lol). And to delete the post in the DA support forum. A canned response that can be used each time. I'd hate to see folks go ☹ thank you for this nic. I think, for me, not exposing myself to the toxicity of angry AP's is more valuable than having an exclusive forum. i don't encounter it in my daily life except for here. I tolerate it here because i have to. any DA poster here would be encouraged and more than welcome to come participate without that aspect! it doesn't mean participation here ends, but this would definitely not be my first choice. it's just wearing and negative and unnecessary to encounter the toxic side of AP continuously at this point of my journey. It's not what i want to do. i want to support something different. AP in recovery can empathize and deal with that and coach it. this forum will always be here for them for that. I would just as soon leave it behind because it's not important to me nor it helpful for my process. it's actually a distraction and impediment. OK, understood. I'm sorry it's causing more harm for you than it is serving as a helpful outlet. You know what's best for you ❤
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 19, 2018 22:14:38 GMT
i read a thread once by an AP poster who said the way to a DA's heart was through the ribs with a sharp knife. It was intended as a lighten up post. humor. A couple of people protested, but some actually found it amusing. it faded to oblivion but that shit would never happen in a moderated forum. i am kind of excited about this prospect. If you replace DA with Jew or black, and it sounds like a joke that could end friendships and careers, then the level of hostility is toxic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 22:20:34 GMT
i read a thread once by an AP poster who said the way to a DA's heart was through the ribs with a sharp knife. It was intended as a lighten up post. humor. A couple of people protested, but some actually found it amusing. it faded to oblivion but that shit would never happen in a moderated forum. i am kind of excited about this prospect. If you replace DA with Jew or black, and it sounds like a joke that could end friendships and careers, then the level of hostility is toxic. and i think it was the same member who corrected my challenging a blaming AP's initial post, concerned with the feelings of the OP, who found that "joke " funny! i might be mistaken- but i am pretty sure that poster defended the "humor" in the thread/ like i said, AP feelings are sacred to some people here and DA feelings are.... not important or not existent.... it's totally silly to me. that's my take, let me take rotten tomatoes for it lol! i've reached my limit with the one way logic. However, i like interacting the way i have with other posters. ah well, i am sure of what i need most and i don't have a huge conflict with just choosing as i go, what my next best thing is, for me.
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 19, 2018 22:25:14 GMT
just because we are totally outnumbered and expected to respect the feelings and safe space of the AP's (by not challenging their negative portrayals) while our safe space is optional, doesn't mean we have to play by AP rules. doh, it took a minute to find the energy to solve that one lol!!! i am used to shutting up and making do but that's not necessary here. goldilocks , if you don't i will. it takes less time to do that then to have to carefully phrase so as not to offend posters with bad Exes. i'm already at my action point. i would love to continue to participate here with open minded and healing AP's who care for their DA in a tangible way. but i'd like a different general atmosphere and i am sure there are DA lurkers who feel the same! I can look into it this weekend. A private board is likely one of the better solutions. If I can make a board with appropriate permissions in a day, thatis a better time investment that telling each individual out of line AP poster to please take that vitriol to another board and walk on eggshells so often. After a day at work, I'm not ready to face a bunch of hostility, as you have been receiving in one of the threads today. As you said: My friendships are all warm and healthy, and even at work people tend to be polite even if a bit stressed. Nothing happens that is as far out of line as some of the mess I encounter here.
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