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Post by jacobsladder on Jul 9, 2018 3:31:20 GMT
After two and a half weeks NC with my ex non relationship FA, the dust has settled and I’ve had some time to think and look inwards and I don’t particularly like what I see. My AP side got triggered like never before during the 3 months I was seeing her, which peaked during a particularly ugly night between us which left her engulfed and me traumatised. She pulled out all the stops to get me to forgive her, and I did (which I regret) only for her to walk away after. Then while she was walking away, I discussed how I felt about some of the abuse and confusion that had happened (which my poor boundaries enabled) and I got more apologies and a request for friendship, which I hesitantly accepted. (Which I also regret) I feel like I’ve given up my self respect and have rewarded bad behaviour because I was too rattled to let go. Not once, but twice. The friendship doesn’t feel real, it just feels like dance is continuing at an either further distance. I haven’t seen her in two months and despite her voicing her intent to see me, there’s been no follow up. She’ll contact me and be friendly and I’ll be friendly and I’ll just feel sick after like I’ve sold my soul. I know I’ll be seeing her at a mutual event in 6 weeks, there’s no way around it. Knowing that she has to see me at this event, makes me question any motivations she has towards me. I don’t want to be part of any fake keep the peace friendship. I only want it, if it’s genuine, but how do I know? I don’t, and that’s why I’ve stepped away. That’s why I’ve taken my power back and I’m putting myself back together, because I can’t be part of anything that isn’t real anymore. I know she’ll contact me again, I just don’t know how I’m gonna respond. Two parts of me miss her greatly, my AP side, and also my secure side. But I need to put myself first and repair the damage that’s already been done.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 3:50:51 GMT
After two and a half weeks NC with my ex non relationship FA, the dust has settled and I’ve had some time to think and look inwards and I don’t particularly like what I see. My AP side got triggered like never before during the 3 months I was seeing her, which peaked during a particularly ugly night between us which left her engulfed and me traumatised. She pulled out all the stops to get me to forgive her, and I did (which I regret) only for her to walk away after. Then while she was walking away, I discussed how I felt about some of the abuse and confusion that had happened (which my poor boundaries enabled) and I got more apologies and a request for friendship, which I hesitantly accepted. (Which I also regret) I feel like I’ve given up my self respect and have rewarded bad behaviour because I was too rattled to let go. Not once, but twice. The friendship doesn’t feel real, it just feels like dance is continuing at an either further distance. I haven’t seen her in two months and despite her voicing her intent to see me, there’s been no follow up. She’ll contact me and be friendly and I’ll be friendly and I’ll just feel sick after like I’ve sold my soul. I know I’ll be seeing her at a mutual event in 6 weeks, there’s no way around it. Knowing that she has to see me at this event, makes me question any motivations she has towards me. I don’t want to be part of any fake keep the peace friendship. I only want it, if it’s genuine, but how do I know? I don’t, and that’s why I’ve stepped away. That’s why I’ve taken my power back and I’m putting myself back together, because I can’t be part of anything that isn’t real anymore. I know she’ll contact me again, I just don’t know how I’m gonna respond. Two parts of me miss her greatly, my AP side, and also my secure side. But I need to put myself first and repair the damage that’s already been done. i think it sounds like you are really stepping up for yourself, and i applaud you. as far as the friendship, i am gonna give you permission to trust your instincts and what you are feeling from it, in case you haven't given yourself that permission. i have true, intimate, loving friendships in my life these days, and they are remarkable in that there is no underlying tension, ambiguity, hidden motives, nothing but warmth and it feels good because it IS good. I'm avoidant, and i grew up in an environment where my perception of pain or harm to me was consistently, aggressively invalidated and discounted. So for most of my life, when something felt bad, not only was it familiar and therefore normalized to me, i also squashed my feelings and doubts about it. I truly could not trust other people (and for good reason) but most importantly i could not trust my self to have an accurate sense of the situation- am i just too picky, sensitive, ignorant? i was always told i was those things, when i was pushing back against mistreatment.... how could i really know what's real? i found myself in so many detrimental relationships, it would happen before i knew what was going on. naturally, as an avoidant, i withdrew deeply. and spent a lot of time in solitude, more peaceful there/ But, part of my healing has been to recognize my feelings and listen to them, both to what they say to me about original wounding, and also current harmful realities. it has taken years of refining my original intuition, my inner knowing, my sense of myself and deep friendship with myself. I now DO trust myself, and i listen to and honor my uncomfortable feelings with negative dynamics. I recognize the harm. and i protect myself from it. I don't have one single painful relationship of the chosen variety. All of my friendships are affirming, embracing, truly intimate, enriching, and they all enhance my life in recognizable ways. that can be the standard for your friendships, all of them. you don't owe anyone but yourself friendship- to all others, it is a gift, and in the best friendships, that gift will be reciprocated iin a way that you can feel, inside and out, without doubt or hesitation. true friendship just doesn't feel bad.
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Post by tnr9 on Jul 9, 2018 12:09:03 GMT
After two and a half weeks NC with my ex non relationship FA, the dust has settled and I’ve had some time to think and look inwards and I don’t particularly like what I see. My AP side got triggered like never before during the 3 months I was seeing her, which peaked during a particularly ugly night between us which left her engulfed and me traumatised. She pulled out all the stops to get me to forgive her, and I did (which I regret) only for her to walk away after. Then while she was walking away, I discussed how I felt about some of the abuse and confusion that had happened (which my poor boundaries enabled) and I got more apologies and a request for friendship, which I hesitantly accepted. (Which I also regret) I feel like I’ve given up my self respect and have rewarded bad behaviour because I was too rattled to let go. Not once, but twice. The friendship doesn’t feel real, it just feels like dance is continuing at an either further distance. I haven’t seen her in two months and despite her voicing her intent to see me, there’s been no follow up. She’ll contact me and be friendly and I’ll be friendly and I’ll just feel sick after like I’ve sold my soul. I know I’ll be seeing her at a mutual event in 6 weeks, there’s no way around it. Knowing that she has to see me at this event, makes me question any motivations she has towards me. I don’t want to be part of any fake keep the peace friendship. I only want it, if it’s genuine, but how do I know? I don’t, and that’s why I’ve stepped away. That’s why I’ve taken my power back and I’m putting myself back together, because I can’t be part of anything that isn’t real anymore. I know she’ll contact me again, I just don’t know how I’m gonna respond. Two parts of me miss her greatly, my AP side, and also my secure side. But I need to put myself first and repair the damage that’s already been done. Hey there..it s good to hear you take your power back and express what you found confusing, detrimental etc. As a fellow AP, I want to encourage you to explore your feelings "separate" from her actions.....it is incredibly challenging for someone with AP to focus only on our feelings without speaking about them "as a result of the other person"...but that is where I truly believe our growth lies. Another person is not responsible for our feelings....and when we allow them to be...we are also giving away our power and our autonomy. I think part of developing a healthy self is really to start with the self....yes, we were given a really crappy start to that within our own families..but we now can change that. When I own my feelings, I can choose to respond to another person instead of react to them. That is my goal.
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Post by jacobsladder on Jul 10, 2018 2:52:10 GMT
juniper tnr9Thank you both for your words of encouragement. I’m finding it very hard to trust my instincts at the moment and almost always feel internally conflicted. I’ve also come to the realisation that I’ve always been a fearful avoidant and that my AP side only gets triggered when I’m in a relationship with someone more avoidant than me. I think I’ve been in denial for a long time. I came out of a 4 year relationship with a BDP AP and got over it within a week. When my father died of cancer I cried a couple of times then dissociated from it. In relationships I’ve come to realize that I associate anxiety with attraction. If I don’t feel anxiety, I don’t feel attracted. The girl I was seeing is the same and any time she was feeling anxious, I soothed her anxiety thinking it was what a caring secure person would do. But it only ever caused her to back away once her itch was scratched. So after we had our big fight we were both anxious, I soothed her anxiety thinking it was the mature thing to do, but then her engulfment took over and she walked away. Leaving me in a world of anxiety, pain, trauma and confusion. 2 months on and I’m still in a world of pain as I try and put myself back together. But I do know I have to be responsible for my own pain and healing and I can’t rely on anyone to help me mend, but myself.
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Post by leavethelighton on Jul 10, 2018 23:28:34 GMT
The part at the end of your first post about not knowing how you're going to respond.... I find that if I feel anxiety about that, it helps to give myself permission to (when the time comes) take 2 or 3 days to respond so that I can worry about it THEN. In other words, it's totally okay to not know how you're going to respond, and to let go of any concerns you have about that, and just cross that bridge when you come to it.
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Post by jacobsladder on Jul 11, 2018 0:24:18 GMT
The part at the end of your first post about not knowing how you're going to respond.... I find that if I feel anxiety about that, it helps to give myself permission to (when the time comes) take 2 or 3 days to respond so that I can worry about it THEN. In other words, it's totally okay to not know how you're going to respond, and to let go of any concerns you have about that, and just cross that bridge when you come to it. That’s very helpful advice, thank you.
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Post by jacobsladder on Aug 2, 2018 12:40:11 GMT
2 weeks until the event I’ll be seeing my ex non relationship fa at who I have not spoken to for a month and a half and I find out she’s seeing someone new and taking him to the event (wedding) Immedietly I felt like my world came crashing down yet again and any amount of progress I had made immediately destroyed. Attachment system activated beyond belief, uncontrollable sadness and on top of that I get to see her for the first time in 3 months with her new love interest who I’m told that she likes a lot. Life can be very cruel and I hate playing the role of the victim, but when you’re down it can be hard to get back up. Strongly considering not going to this wedding, despite the chance or dissapointing two people close to me if I don’t. I feel trapped.
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Post by brokenbiscuit on Aug 2, 2018 13:53:32 GMT
Go to a CODA meeting and pull an AP. Then bring her along to the wedding, mix that in with some alcohol and watch the sparks fly!
In all seriousness though, your ex is blatantly rebounding. Maybe even bringing this person along to make you jealous? Who knows. It doesn't really matter. She will repeat the same mistakes of her past with this new person. If she is not self aware (which you clearly are, and know you have things to change about yourself with regards to relationships) then she is doomed to repeat her toxic history. Give it till Christmas before they start doing the dance. By then you will be in a better place mentally and will be glad to have been out of the weird attachment dance you were doing with her
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 14:20:12 GMT
Your ex is an FA - this is what they do.
You will be triggered badly by what the FA is doing, if you are an AP.
Even if you were secure, you would likely still have some attachment triggers from this.
(I am in a similar position - this ex is doing typical FA stuff - they will keep on and on and on doing this, until they choose to change).
It is so, so so, hard to be in this situation - this is the AP part of me.
I am working on my new 'off' button to assist me in this awful process, but it is still damn hard.
Hugs
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Post by notalone on Aug 2, 2018 15:28:40 GMT
I'm sorry you're going through this. You don't sound like you have a victim mentality to me. You sound like a human being in a very difficult situation. Is there someone you can take to the wedding with you to help you get through it? Are there any other strategies that might help? If you genuinely feel like it would do more harm than goo for you to attend, maybe it's an option to skip it? I think you need to take care of yourself first. I would want someone I love to do that, even if it meant missing my wedding. I know it's not ideal and at the same time maybe it's worth a thought? Like brokenbuscuits said, your ex is choosing to perpetuate an unhealthy life for herself and you are choosing to heal and grow. I know how painful it is, but you are choosing temporary pain and long term gain, and she is choosing temporary gain and long term pain. I know it doesn't help much now, but in time this will pass and you'll be in a better place. Hold on, and know you're not alone. Sending love.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 15:46:05 GMT
jacobsladder, i don't think you are in a victim role at all, it sounds to me like you are grieving very honestly and in tremendous pain which is understandable. As far as the wedding, i can't tell you what to do but my encouragement would be to let go of expectations that other people have. I am sure you don't want to hurt or disappoint anybody. But the pain of attachment injury triggered by the end of a relationship is a major thing and i would encourage you to not put yourself in the "line of fire" to witness your ex with a new partner, even though it would mean gracefully withdrawing from the wedding, i think they can be done if you were to explain it to the people who you wouldn't like to disappoint. I have had to do the same, and count it as setting up some sacred space to grieve honestly and with compassion for myself. Breakups are a critical opportunity to learn how to take care of ourselves better. You're posting here because you want to heal and change this dilemma. This situation sounds very painful and like it would cause more suffering and you've already suffered a lot!
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Post by jacobsladder on Aug 3, 2018 10:18:34 GMT
brokenbiscuit @warriorgirl notalone juniper Thank you all for your kind words and advice. I do find some comfort knowing that I can always come here to let out my suffering. I’m in Japan at the moment and have been for the last two days, I found out about this the night before I left. I’ve got a good mate that hasn’t let me barricade myself in the hotel room, I’ve been very active and have been experiencing everything I always wanted to see. But I feel like a tortured traumatized zombie, not feeling any joy on the trip of a lifetime. I feel like I’ve really lost myself. As far as the wedding goes, I’m not sure what I’m gonna do yet. I’m both gutted she’s been seeing someone else and both angry and scared that I’ll have to see her with this guy if I go to the wedding. The wedding is my exes and the mother of my child, I’ve explained to her my feelings about the situation but she has zero empathy and turned it round on me saying I should just get over it and she doesnt want to know about it. My son will be there and we have a good co parenting relationship and I’m worried about seriously straining it if I don’t go, she is very vindictive. This is all very overwhelming.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 11:05:11 GMT
Oh man, that's rough.
It sounds like you're being bullied by your ex. Bullies are vindictive, but the best way to deal with them especially when you are taking good care of you and need to establish your own adult autonomy and power, is to stand up to them.
I've been involved with bullies too and i never stopped being apprehensive of what they would do until i calmly pushed back and owned my own power. They eventually gave up. Yes, i co parented with a tremendous bully (violent even) and he pulled all kinds of crap but i handled it and he doesn't pull anything any more. I do what i want, and don't answer to any bully. They only go so far. And you have to go farther to establish your own authority in your life.
I am not telling you what to do but trying to just encourage you to not allow the women in your life to bat you around. I know this is very painful, but you've not been shown adequate respect and only you can begin to change that. Respect yourself more than you fear anybody ♥️
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Post by jacobsladder on Aug 3, 2018 12:35:35 GMT
Oh man, that's rough. It sounds like you're being bullied by your ex. Bullies are vindictive, but the best way to deal with them especially when you are taking good care of you and need to establish your own adult autonomy and power, is to stand up to them. I've been involved with bullies too and i never stopped being apprehensive of what they would do until i calmly pushed back and owned my own power. They eventually gave up. Yes, i co parented with a tremendous bully (violent even) and he pulled all kinds of crap but i handled it and he doesn't pull anything any more. I do what i want, and don't answer to any bully. They only go so far. And you have to go farther to establish your own authority in your life. I am not telling you what to do but trying to just encourage you to not allow the women in your life to bat you around. I know this is very painful, but you've not been shown adequate respect and only you can begin to change that. Respect yourself more than you fear anybody ♥️ That’s great advice and you’re 100% right, I haven’t been shown adequate respect and I have been batted around and have been guilty on more than one occasion of allowing it. I wouldn’t be in this situation if my boundaries had been stronger. I’ve stood my ground (now) with my recent ex, but my son’s Mum is a different monster. I don’t like to throw labels around but she is an AP borderline and is very unpredictable. She’s been known to use my son against me before. She never hesitates to fight dirty and she’ll always take things further than I will. I’m stuck with her for the next 14 years unfortunately. That being said, she knows how I feel about this situation, I didn’t mince my words and I was very emotionally honest. She just doesn’t care. She’s a user and it’s all about her. That and she’s become good friends with my recent ex. It’s nothing short of complicated.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 12:41:59 GMT
Oh man, that's rough. It sounds like you're being bullied by your ex. Bullies are vindictive, but the best way to deal with them especially when you are taking good care of you and need to establish your own adult autonomy and power, is to stand up to them. I've been involved with bullies too and i never stopped being apprehensive of what they would do until i calmly pushed back and owned my own power. They eventually gave up. Yes, i co parented with a tremendous bully (violent even) and he pulled all kinds of crap but i handled it and he doesn't pull anything any more. I do what i want, and don't answer to any bully. They only go so far. And you have to go farther to establish your own authority in your life. I am not telling you what to do but trying to just encourage you to not allow the women in your life to bat you around. I know this is very painful, but you've not been shown adequate respect and only you can begin to change that. Respect yourself more than you fear anybody ♥️ That’s great advice and you’re 100% right, I haven’t been shown adequate respect and I have been batted around and have been guilty on more than one occasion of allowing it. I wouldn’t be in this situation if my boundaries had been stronger. I’ve stood my ground (now) with my recent ex, but my son’s Mum is a different monster. I don’t like to throw labels around but she is an AP borderline and is very unpredictable. She’s been known to use my son against me before. She never hesitates to fight dirty and she’ll always take things further than I will. I’m stuck with her for the next 14 years unfortunately. That being said, she knows how I feel about this situation, I didn’t mince my words and I was very emotionally honest. She just doesn’t care. She’s a user and it’s all about her. That and she’s become good friends with my recent ex. It’s nothing short of complicated. i get you on being stuck for the next 14 years- i faced that dilemma and decisively owned my power against the bully for precisely that reason. I couldn't continue that long slog being controlled in any fashion. I can tell you, freedom was hard won as the co parenting thing is intense and difficult to navigate when you push back- but i wouldn't change it and live in peace and freedom in a situation that was incredibly difficult at one time. His vindictive behavior had me in court fighting egregious lies for a year, cost me $20k to fight, i won, it was horrendous emotional abuse of me and the kids, but we have healed and he has no power and life is good. and her being friends with the ex? you're a target. don't be a target. flip the script and don't go, this is absurd. whatever fallout, you can handle. Boy i bet they like to see you stuck. don't give anyone the pleasure of making-watching you suffer.
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