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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 22:30:32 GMT
jacobsladder , i totally get what you are saying about the attachment wound stuff being like a cancer- and having to stay on top of things to stay in remission. i felt like that more so when i first was finding out about it, about myself, and trying to stay with my partner while my DA conditioning made that extremely difficult. these days, i feel a shift has happened where being emotionally available and consistent and committed is more natural than living in attachment patterns. i think your motive for going to be wedding is appropriate- not selfish. i would consider it selfish if you know she would be there single and you were taking a date to exact emotional revenge, or something like that. So, i support your motive , not that my validation of it is important , i just understand and affirm it as a cooperative co-parent myself. So- advocating for your emotional well being is a wonderful act of self love, given that you would like to attend for the reasons you shared. Take some time (i know it's coming up fast) to embrace the idea of at least trying to make it work better for you. of course you can't control what other people will do- but i do see you being very hard on yourself and you can perhaps give yourself a break. everything has a bit of a negative twist for you right now but i don't see your motivations here as selfish, or weak, in any way. you are being very authentic and emotionally honest. please applaud yourself a little bit here, you deserve it even tho you feel like shit right now. you really are navigating a very difficult situation . and you are really sincere about doing it the best you can. you aren't ugly or mean spirited, you're vulnerable, honest, a stand up guy. give yourself a soft spot to land right in your own heart . that's really important- to regard yourself as a friend would. Be a great friend to yourself, don't talk down to yourself, and keep listening to what you need and doing your best to provide it for yourself. i think you are making progress in your overall process and healing that you can't see right now. you will get to the other side of this and be able to look back and see how it came together to create growth in you.
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Post by brokenbiscuit on Aug 5, 2018 23:44:41 GMT
I'm trying to work this out a bit
So you havent spoken to her in a few months and she has a new bf already?
And she's decided to bring her new bf of three months to this wedding that she knows you are going to attend?
I don't know if it's just me, but if I had a new partner of just a few months I don't think I would be bringing them to a wedding. It's too new. "oh what shall we do for our next date night? Do you want to go to a WEDDING?". It all just seems a bit too much too soon for a new dating couple, but again that could be my mindset and maybe it's normal thing to gdo among normal people , I dunno.
I may be terribly wrong 🤔😁 but...
I'm thinking this is all defiantly about making you feel bad/jealous/whatever. I think she knows exactly what she's doing just because all this is happening so quick and it just all seems too staged from my admittedly limited distance
So I think we have to propose damage limitation or even ways of turning things in your favour
1) go to the wedding 2) don't drink too much 3) ensure you have one or two close allies around you to act almost as a buffer between you and her. 4) do not speak to her 5) do not speak to him. In fact, the poor bloke is likely incredibly innocent in all this and has zero idea he is being used as a pawn in some weird drama game 6) try to have sex with a bridesmaid 7) do not start crying 8) enjoy yourself. F*** it. The best way to get back at her if she is doing all this purposefully, is to show her that you are enjoying life without her and she is not important to you. She wants to see you upset. She wants to see you glancing at her across the room. Do not give her that pleasure. As soon as you don't give her what she wants, the tables are turned. And she will be obsessing with you, not vice versa. 9)if you do have to speak to her, keep it cordial, brief nod "you alright? ", walk away. Do not engage further. 10) when the slow sloppy songs come on at the disco at the end, go to the bar and stay there. She will want to see you seeing her dancing with her new bf. Don't give her the pleasure.
You may have to do a fair bit of acting. But hey, she will be as well. So instead of running away, treat this as her playing a game (even if she is really not) and don't give her the pleasure of seeing you sad or upset or emotionally shaken. Then come end of the night it's safe to say you can then put a full stop on this mental relationship and declare yourself the winner (in your head) and move on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 23:53:32 GMT
I'm trying to work this out a bit So you havent spoken to her in a few months and she has a new bf already? And she's decided to bring her new bf of three months to this wedding that she knows you are going to attend? I don't know if it's just me, but if I had a new partner of just a few months I don't think I would be bringing them to a wedding. It's too new. "oh what shall we do for our next date night? Do you want to go to a WEDDING?". It all just seems a bit too much too soon for a new dating couple, but again that could be my mindset and maybe it's normal thing to gdo among normal people , I dunno. I may be terribly wrong 🤔😁 but... I'm thinking this is all defiantly about making you feel bad/jealous/whatever. I think she knows exactly what she's doing just because all this is happening so quick and it just all seems too staged from my admittedly limited distance So I think we have to propose damage limitation or even ways of turning things in your favour 1) go to the wedding 2) don't drink too much 3) ensure you have one or two close allies around you to act almost as a buffer between you and her. 4) do not speak to her 5) do not speak to him. In fact, the poor bloke is likely incredibly innocent in all this and has zero idea he is being used as a pawn in some weird drama game 6) try to have sex with a bridesmaid 7) do not start crying 8) enjoy yourself. F*** it. The best way to get back at her if she is doing all this purposefully, is to show her that you are enjoying life without her and she is not important to you. She wants to see you upset. She wants to see you glancing at her across the room. Do not give her that pleasure. As soon as you don't give her what she wants, the tables are turned. And she will be obsessing with you, not vice versa. 9)if you do have to speak to her, keep it cordial, brief nod "you alright? ", walk away. Do not engage further. 10) when the slow sloppy songs come on at the disco at the end, go to the bar and stay there. She will want to see you seeing her dancing with her new bf. Don't give her the pleasure. You may have to do a fair bit of acting. But hey, she will be as well. So instead of running away, treat this as her playing a game (even if she is really not) and don't give her the pleasure of seeing you sad or upset or emotionally shaken. Then come end of the night it's safe to say you can then put a full stop on this mental relationship and declare yourself the winner (in your head) and move on. gawd i like this too! is it because i am dismissive so being honest emotionally is progress for me, but it would be more progressive for an anxious person to be less vulnerable? i mean, this sounds like a strong plan for someone who feels like the underdog! it does! this is a case of me perhaps giving bad advice from the other side of the fence and if that is the case i sure apologize. You guys sometimes blow my mind. lol.
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Post by jacobsladder on Aug 6, 2018 1:35:18 GMT
juniper brokenbiscuitI don’t think either of you have given bad advice and I appreciate you both taking some time out to have a look at my situation from different angles. As far as I know she’s been seeing this guy romantically for a month tops, but has known him for years. I don’t think he is being brought along to get to me, but I do think he is being brought along to get inbetween me and my ex. Without sounding paranoid, I’m almost certain my ex and my sons mum have gotten together and organized this guy to come to provide somewhat of a buffer between me and my ex. He’s almost like a chaperone for her. My son’s mum didn’t deny this when I asked her about it, she tried to turn it around on me. Knowing my ex, she would be just as afraid of seeing me as I am her. The last time I saw her was 3 months ago when she left my house and kissed me goodbye and said seeya soon. There was an attempted ghosting after that, which I prized out of her, then she said she wanted to be friends which I regrettably agreed to. Being my son’s childcare teacher and my son’s mum’s friend, I didn’t expect any of this fuckery. She knew she had to see me at this wedding months and months ago, it boggles my mind why she’d handle things so poorly. But I also don’t know how aware she is of herself and there’s a lot of fear involved. The whole time we were seeing each other it was like two scared people hanging out, I was just braver (which wasn’t easy) and what turns out too open and trusting. I tried to be more secure and this is what I got, although I wasn’t aware of the attachment stuff til after. I’m angry about the treatment I’ve received, but I do understand it’s fear based and not malicious. Tell my attachment system and my activated mind that though. So the way I see this situation is, she’s running from her past (me) and there’s a lot of shame for her there, because I know in the light of day she’d know a lot of her behaviors were unacceptable. Knowing she has to see me is forcing her to face the music. My son’s mum saw how badly she treated me and was actually pointing a lot of it out while I was still in denial. She knows how how upset I was about everything that happened. But, it seems my sons Mum and ex have decided to do what’s best for themselves and both disregarded my feelings. My ex has a buffer so she doesn’t have to really face me, my son’s mum thinks by this guy coming there will be no dramas at her wedding. She told me she’s spoken to this new guy she told him to be nice to me, the whole thing is humiliating. So they both get what they want and I get the emotional torture and disrespect, my feelings don’t seem to matter. My son’s mum has taken a side, even though she said she hasn’t.. But I also haven’t voiced my opinion on the situation to my ex. There’s gonna be 30 people at this wedding tops, in a small backyard. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. I’ve been backed in to a corner and besides my son I’m not gonna have a lot of support.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 1:40:12 GMT
gosh dang it i wish one of us could spot you as your date, an emotional buffer/support that turns the tables we need a fake-date co-op for crap like this. this does suck.
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Post by jacobsladder on Aug 6, 2018 1:42:34 GMT
Also juniper I do know underneath all this I am making progress and when the dust settles after this agonizing road block I’ll be able to see things a lot clearer and have a concise path to healing. I just need to try to navigate myself through this situation the best way I can for my son and myself without too much pain or drama. I wish I saw a clear pathway through it, it’s very overwhelming. I’m in Japan, I climbed mt Fuji yesterday, on a jet train on the way to Hiroshima and I’m paralyzed that the wedding is only 12 days away and I don’t have the answers within myself that I need yet. I’m dreading going home. brokenbiscuit are you British or Australian?
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Post by jacobsladder on Aug 6, 2018 1:44:09 GMT
gosh dang it i wish one of us could spot you as your date, an emotional buffer/support that turns the tables we need a fake-date co-op for crap like this. this does suck. Haha if you can make it to Australia next weekend the invite is all yours.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 2:00:25 GMT
gosh dang it i wish one of us could spot you as your date, an emotional buffer/support that turns the tables we need a fake-date co-op for crap like this. this does suck. Haha if you can make it to Australia next weekend the invite is all yours. dammit, it's a little outside of my time zone, and the only australian here (i think, am i wrong?) is mrob. now there's a twist. 😂😜 take that wedding by storm! just kidding and no offense intended, i don't have a filter sometimes (surprise, i know i know 😑😬)
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 6, 2018 2:05:14 GMT
I thought flic lived in Australia too....but I haven't seen her online in a bit.
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Post by jacobsladder on Aug 6, 2018 2:12:34 GMT
Haha if you can make it to Australia next weekend the invite is all yours. dammit, it's a little outside of my time zone, and the only australian here (i think, am i wrong?) is mrob. now there's a twist. 😂😜 take that wedding by storm! just kidding and no offense intended, i don't have a filter sometimes (surprise, i know i know 😑😬) Hahaha well it is a gay wedding, my son’s mum is marrying a girl and she’s lovely. I am not inclined that way, but if mrob wants some free drinks we can get matching suits 😂
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 2:20:31 GMT
dammit, it's a little outside of my time zone, and the only australian here (i think, am i wrong?) is mrob . now there's a twist. 😂😜 take that wedding by storm! just kidding and no offense intended, i don't have a filter sometimes (surprise, i know i know 😑😬) Hahaha well it is a gay wedding, my son’s mum is marrying a girl and she’s lovely. I am not inclined that way, but if mrob wants some free drinks we can get matching suits 😂 that would be such a BLAST!!
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Post by jacobsladder on Aug 6, 2018 2:28:30 GMT
Hahaha well it is a gay wedding, my son’s mum is marrying a girl and she’s lovely. I am not inclined that way, but if mrob wants some free drinks we can get matching suits 😂 that would be such a BLAST!! 🕺🏻🕺🏻🍾🍾
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Post by jacobsladder on Aug 6, 2018 3:57:50 GMT
I was only seeing her for a few months, I don’t know how she got her hooks in me so deep. Well actually I kind of do, the fact she already had a good relationship with my son was very comforting. She triggered my anxiety from the start with the intermittent reinforcement and the mixed signals. When you’re unaware you associate that anxiety with feelings so I just kept chasing the dragon. About half way through she told me she didn’t want a relationship and I was crushed and took it as a rejection, but she came running back and for the second half it was a strange calling us friends, but acting the opposite zone. Push pull, push pull. anxiety,dopamine, uncertainty. Me totally addicted. Then at the end we both had that night were she dramaticaly self sabotaged and she totally broke my trust, the damage was done and she ran. The ironic thing is, she did to me, the same thing her phantom did to her a year ago. He totally ghosted and it destroyed her and understandably so. I had a lot of empathy for her and wanted her to feel safe after going through something like that. Me trying to be a secure place for her to heal, didn’t activate her attachment system the way she wanted it to consistantly enough though and she was always confused. She’s used to being treated like shit, that’s what’s always felt comfortable for her. But to treat someone who looks after your son and just got deserted poorly, you’d have to be a bad person, which I don’t consider myself to be so. I heard about the phantom constantly when we were seeing each other and he was one of her biggest distancing strategies, although she used every single one in the book at one stage or another. I really don’t know how aware she is, but she did tell me she was damaged from her previous relationship. Didn’t expect her to pass the parcel. It’s a terrible chain of circumstances, when I’m finally free of it all one day I’ll learn a lot from it.
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Post by jacobsladder on Aug 6, 2018 4:49:57 GMT
Just stalked her Facebook and she’s already in a relationship with this dude.. What. The. Fuck.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 5:27:27 GMT
Jeb categorises DAs ..."such as narcissists".
From a non-DA POV, DA behaviour can be narcissistic-like (such as the view of the self as opposed to the view of the other, and therefore the associated actions / behaviours) What are DA's views on this?
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