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Post by brokenbiscuit on Aug 6, 2018 7:28:19 GMT
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Post by jacobsladder on Aug 6, 2018 7:44:03 GMT
Cool, I saw you use the word pints, knew you must be either or. I can read your posts in an accent now haha
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Post by mrob on Aug 6, 2018 11:33:15 GMT
Haha if you can make it to Australia next weekend the invite is all yours. dammit, it's a little outside of my time zone, and the only australian here (i think, am i wrong?) is mrob. now there's a twist. 😂😜 take that wedding by storm! just kidding and no offense intended, i don't have a filter sometimes (surprise, i know i know 😑😬) If you’re in the West, let’s suit up. That would be too funny. Can you imagine? “How do you know each other?” Lol!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 13:01:55 GMT
Just stalked her Facebook and she’s already in a relationship with this dude.. What. The. Fuck. tough love for you: Don't make that about you, about rejection, jealousy, anything. It's all attachment crap. THIS IS NOT A LOVE STORY. Poor guy won't get better than you did. She was a dick, and will be a dick- because people who don't make tons of effort don't stop being dicks. Just like you repeated a pattern, she will.You think a woman like her won't go find a suitable prop for a wedding in this situation? Who easier than someone shes known a while. Don't stalk facebook, you'll get what you pay for and its drama drama drama. You're making it a nightmare for yourself when the reality is, this is over. Your wounds keep it kicking in you but you won't be abused and traumatized by anyone but yourself now. I know that your anxious side is going to have a heydey with this but you have got to do everything you can to keep your feet on the ground and not buy into the fantasies and lies of your narrative. I know this all feels awful, and i'm sorry. It really won't get better or turn around until you can turn it around in your head. i know it's easy for me to say as a dismissive. But i think there is truth in it and there must be a way. It sucks but you have to take a step at a time to put this behind you. the wedding is almost here but it's also almost past
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Post by mrob on Aug 6, 2018 13:19:47 GMT
So she’s a dick for acting out in her insecure attachment? In that case, that must mean we’re all dicks. Come on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 13:41:23 GMT
So she’s a dick for acting out in her insecure attachment? In that case, that must mean we’re all dicks. Come on. no, no. i'm referring to the abuse he mentioned. i understand attachment wounds, i was earlier in the thread casting another light on the sentimental longing, putting the perspective back on validating the abuse and disrespect he suffered. If she was abusive as he wrote in his OP, she was a dick. I have no idea her attachment style. I haven't found him to really focus on finding fault with her and i appreciate that but he seems to have come here with some real pain about abuse. Just taking this out of the love story bin into the attachment bin on HIS side, and reminding him of the abuse. Abuse is another level- that is for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 13:48:15 GMT
mrob , it was jacobsladder that said "some of her behavior was absurdly disrespectful, and that goes beyond push/pull strategies." i think i understand that he is FA and his ex is FA? so i validated something he felt was going on BEYOND attachment strategies. And he did find it helpful to stop romanticizing. the pattern i refer to for her, is a pattern of abuse, which is separate from a pattern of attachment acting out.
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Post by mrob on Aug 6, 2018 14:03:41 GMT
I see that. But just sifting through the stuff, she’s clearly acting from an FA attachment. Labelling it as abuse is the easy way out that most people take before even looking at this stuff. I did things not unlike her that could be seen as abuse by that standard. I just think calling her a dick for acting out isn’t right.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 14:46:34 GMT
I see that. But just sifting through the stuff, she’s clearly acting from an FA attachment. Labelling it as abuse is the easy way out that most people take before even looking at this stuff. I did things not unlike her that could be seen as abuse by that standard. I just think calling her a dick for acting out isn’t right. i understand; and it is very rare that i say something like that about someone's ex. my posts show that, i am consistent about posters examining their own stuff. what i have found about jacobsladder is that he reveals more as time goes on, and seems very self aware. at some point i read he is FA, and his ex is FA, My understanding of that (which became a premise for my perspective, although i didn't keep her attachment style in mind) is that being FA himself (if i am correct?) he would have a very good grasp of what lies out of bounds with push pull or FA behavior. there are a lot of posts on the forum i engage with and can't remember everything but i think he said that he is fa and was triggered heavily into AP. As always, i was responding to the OP with a perspective gained through their posting and in this case, i trusted FA to know FA and not exaggerate or misinterpret. Especially since he is focused on healing his own attachment wounds. There are other posters who reveal behaviors way outside of their DA partners attachment style, and when limited to only trying to understand things taking into account DA behaviors, they miss the forest for the trees and minimize abuse. It was simply language suited to our interaction, which has been compassionate to his situation. I have been compassionate to posters of all styles and obviously don't view us all as dicks. There is behavior that lies outside of the range of attachment and in the realms of pathology dickishness. As a DA, i myself am clear where that boundary lies with fellow DA, and post on jacobsladders thread with an established frame of mind that as FA, he understands what lies outside the bounds of FA behavior. I have no grasp on that as i try to understand FA and don't view FA as any worse than AP ir DA. It's a custom remark for a custom situation, that i have taken the time to try to understand and support OP in a way that i felt could be helpful, didn't mean to offend you mrob and i regret that i have.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 15:01:09 GMT
so, i may be off base but have been engaging on this post to support jacobsladder- perhaps he can share a clue as to what the abuse was like that took this off the attachment spectrum into abuse. but i don't know if he would feel comfortable with that.
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Post by jacobsladder on Aug 6, 2018 16:55:07 GMT
dammit, it's a little outside of my time zone, and the only australian here (i think, am i wrong?) is mrob. now there's a twist. 😂😜 take that wedding by storm! just kidding and no offense intended, i don't have a filter sometimes (surprise, i know i know 😑😬) If you’re in the West, let’s suit up. That would be too funny. Can you imagine? “How do you know each other?” Lol!! Haha it would be classic, unfortunately I’m in Adelaide.
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Post by jacobsladder on Aug 6, 2018 16:56:51 GMT
so, i may be off base but have been engaging on this post to support jacobsladder- perhaps he can share a clue as to what the abuse was like that took this off the attachment spectrum into abuse. but i don't know if he would feel comfortable with that. Gaslighting, name calling, degrading me in general. I don’t really wanna get in to the specifics.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 17:05:58 GMT
so, i may be off base but have been engaging on this post to support jacobsladder - perhaps he can share a clue as to what the abuse was like that took this off the attachment spectrum into abuse. but i don't know if he would feel comfortable with that. Gaslighting, name calling, degrading me in general. I don’t really wanna get in to the specifics. i'm so sorry, and i understand. it's humiliating stuff and very damaging. i hope we can be of good support.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 12:09:06 GMT
jacobsladderdo you know what you will do? how are you faring?
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Post by jacobsladder on Aug 8, 2018 2:58:36 GMT
jacobsladderdo you know what you will do? how are you faring? I think I’m gonna go, reluctantly. After spending the last couple of days with my first phantom who is DA, it’s highlighted to me that none of this is real and slightly shifted my perspective. During our time together this week I went from feeling nothing towards her, to engulfed, now anxious now she’s left. These girls are just the stamps on the triggers, not the triggers themselves. She’s nice to me I feel engulfed, she backs off a little I feel anxious. I first started seeing this girl when I was 15, it’s crazy I was doing the dance back then and didn’t even know it, I just thought I was unlovable. It will hurt seeing the current ex with someone else at this wedding, but I have to hold my head high, because underneath all this fuckery I am worth it and I will heal.
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