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Post by tnr9 on Aug 6, 2021 3:20:05 GMT
Excellent analysis blacksnow! I feel the same sense of panic when a door has the potential of completely closing. Often resulting in years of still being "emotionally" attached to someone who might have moved on long ago, married, and had kids. It's even often the case that I was so miserable in the relationship/situation/job while it was going on. But as soon as there was a threat of it not being there any more I remember it/them as the best thing in the world, and either panic or become melancholic. I think it must be an FA thing. I find this to be a common theme in many areas of my life, not just my romantic relationships. Career, housing, living location. Similarly I'm sure it's related to the fear of commitment which is common to us FA's too. This is super interesting….i tend to have a much harder time these days moving on. When I was younger, I did go from one relationship to another…but then I had this guy breakup with me after dating for 2 years and I just felt so….done….I spent 8 years volunteering with a rescue group and meeting no one…until the night I was out with friends and met the NPD which was 3 years of hell. Then another 7 years of nothing and then B.
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 7, 2021 11:06:20 GMT
So. everyone on this board i can only recommend: Do not make yourself responsible for other peoples issues. I know you think (as you might typically be AP or got AP tendencies when you are on this board) that you are able to figure out a way, that you got the power and intelligence to navigate anyone and everything, that you can take every hit.. but no.. that's only wasted energy and self abandonment.
This is fantastic insight and I believe it is worth sharing on the AP board as well. 🙂
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Post by kekko on Aug 9, 2021 8:56:17 GMT
Update:
Seems like she is now activated. Yesterday she asked me twice (never happend before) if i would be willing to see her. (not to talk, but to hang out) I need to admit that by now her behaviour is so transparent to me that I am beginning to deactivate as I realize more and more that she is in no constitution to give me a stable and flourishing connection. Gladly i was busy so I didn't need to lie about not being able to see her (I really wouldn't have liked to)
I guess this might be helpful for other people struggling with FAs so I will keep updating here. (and it also helps to bring down my thoughts as to remind me of what is going on)
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 9, 2021 12:21:21 GMT
Update:
Seems like she is now activated. Yesterday she asked me twice (never happend before) if i would be willing to see her. (not to talk, but to hang out) I need to admit that by now her behaviour is so transparent to me that I am beginning to deactivate as I realize more and more that she is in no constitution to give me a stable and flourishing connection. Gladly i was busy so I didn't need to lie about not being able to see her (I really wouldn't have liked to)
I guess this might be helpful for other people struggling with FAs so I will keep updating here. (and it also helps to bring down my thoughts as to remind me of what is going on)
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Kekko
So…just remember that a person with FA attachment will swing between anxious and avoidant behaviors…so she is in an anxious pattern at the moment and it is good that you have recognized this and are holding your boundary. I would need to look back….but did you decide to just be friends after all?
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Post by kekko on Aug 9, 2021 12:38:48 GMT
Update:
Seems like she is now activated. Yesterday she asked me twice (never happend before) if i would be willing to see her. (not to talk, but to hang out) I need to admit that by now her behaviour is so transparent to me that I am beginning to deactivate as I realize more and more that she is in no constitution to give me a stable and flourishing connection. Gladly i was busy so I didn't need to lie about not being able to see her (I really wouldn't have liked to)
I guess this might be helpful for other people struggling with FAs so I will keep updating here. (and it also helps to bring down my thoughts as to remind me of what is going on)
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Kekko
So…just remember that a person with FA attachment will swing between anxious and avoidant behaviors…so she is in an anxious pattern at the moment and it is good that you have recognized this and are holding your boundary. I would need to look back….but did you decide to just be friends after all? I stated her a strict no to a normal / platonic friendship.
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 9, 2021 13:30:29 GMT
So…just remember that a person with FA attachment will swing between anxious and avoidant behaviors…so she is in an anxious pattern at the moment and it is good that you have recognized this and are holding your boundary. I would need to look back….but did you decide to just be friends after all? I stated her a strict no to a normal / platonic friendship. So….here is where you need to make a decision regarding “contact” (ie do you want to leave the door open to her to reach out). I say that only because she may want to leave it open hoping you change your mind about hanging out and being friends while you may want to leave it open in case she changes her mind and wants to re engage in a relationship. I am not sure if that is fair to either of you because you would still be a bit “stuck” on each other. I am not suggesting you block her, but it might be better for both of you if you close the door to communication. That is something you should discuss and agree on but I do not see how staying in contact will get either of you what you want.
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Post by kekko on Aug 9, 2021 13:54:48 GMT
I dont even want a relationship with her at this point (what i told her repeatedly), at least not right now. I dont know about the future though, I got the feeling that i cant actually tell as we dont really know each other truly hence my offer to explore where we end up when we begin to be emotionally authentic without any commitment whatsoever. Meaning, what i already wrote: I would love to hang out as long as the physical side of things is included and we do not set unnecessary romantic boundaries. I would be unable to hang out with her without wanting to rip off her clothes, wanting to kiss or hug her intensely, that would be impossible for me (and I got a lot of indicators for being in the belief that she feels the same).
This might of course already be too much for her as it is catalyzing whatever she is feeling for me (inter alia this might be the reason why she wants to shut down this part between us)
I stumbled upon this video:
and it explains a lot.
Nearly all of the things described are mirroring what she told me about herself and the way she acts. The comment section is also very enlightening.
I will see what she will tell me the next time we meet / talk.
If she insists on being normal friends I will go no contact as i do not see a point in pretending i wouldnt want more.
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Post by annieb on Aug 9, 2021 14:36:50 GMT
What is it you want for you? Do you want a romantic long term relationship? If that’s what you want, you need to tell het that if you keep seeing her then it would only be for this relationship. If you don’t want a long term relationship, you might as well close the door right now. Because I’m also sensing some confusion in your goals, and maybe you are contributing more to the confusion between you both than you think you are.
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Post by kekko on Aug 9, 2021 14:43:22 GMT
What is it you want for you? Do you want a romantic long term relationship? If that’s what you want, you need to tell het that if you keep seeing her then it would only be for this relationship. If you don’t want a long term relationship, you might as well close the door right now. Because I’m also sensing some confusion in your goals, and maybe you are contributing more to the confusion between you both than you think you are. For now i want to see where dating that is emotionally honest and open leads to.
I could imagine to have a LTR with her down the line, when we are really authentic to each other for a certain period of time and we can actually tell if there is compatibility or not.
Is this strange? I cant tell if that is wishy washy, but this is what I authentically want as of right now.
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Post by annieb on Aug 9, 2021 14:59:08 GMT
Yes, it’s totally wishy washy, especially after a year of dating. I would be frankly as a woman insulted by these “goals”. I think your offer isn’t good enough and she is reacting to that as well, but in her own codependent way and trying to define the relationship as a friendship. Because that’s what your offer really is. So, I guess it’s time you let this go as you won’t step up either.
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Post by kekko on Aug 9, 2021 15:10:48 GMT
Yes, it’s totally wishy washy, especially after a year of dating. I would be frankly as a woman insulted by these “goals”. I think your offer isn’t good enough and she is reacting to that as well, but in her own codependent way and trying to define the relationship as a friendship. Because that’s what your offer really is. So, I guess it’s time you let this go as you won’t step up either. Thank you for your honesty.
I will think about it.
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Post by krolle on Aug 9, 2021 20:15:07 GMT
Yes, it’s totally wishy washy, especially after a year of dating. I would be frankly as a woman insulted by these “goals”. I think your offer isn’t good enough and she is reacting to that as well, but in her own codependent way and trying to define the relationship as a friendship. Because that’s what your offer really is. So, I guess it’s time you let this go as you won’t step up either. I feel confused by this..
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Post by annieb on Aug 9, 2021 20:21:12 GMT
Yes, it’s totally wishy washy, especially after a year of dating. I would be frankly as a woman insulted by these “goals”. I think your offer isn’t good enough and she is reacting to that as well, but in her own codependent way and trying to define the relationship as a friendship. Because that’s what your offer really is. So, I guess it’s time you let this go as you won’t step up either. I feel confused by this.. Hi krolle - all of it or only parts of it?
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Post by alexandra on Aug 9, 2021 21:35:06 GMT
I agree with annieb. You're both FA and you're both dancing around to figure out how to connect and stay connected without feeling overwhelmed and triggered to run away. She thinks decreasing physical intimacy will do the trick. You think having physical and emotional intimacy but no solid commitment will do the trick (saying let's just see how things go after a year, which is lots of time to get to know each other and gauge compatibility, at least enough to know if you want to commit to an LTR even if you're not ready for more serious steps than that ie moving in together, getting married, etc., is a cop out, as annieb said, and what I'm explaining is why). This is going in unhealthy circles, but it's very normal in an FA-FA dynamic since you're both triggering each other and you're each reacting to the push or pull of the other. I don't think there's a way to realistically do what you're groping around for an answer for as she is unaware and not working on her attachment issues, and you're aware but still trying to negotiate and bargain to find a comfortable level instead of taking responsibility to attend to your own needs and connect to yourself. You're not committing yet blaming it on her because you don't know her authentically enough... this is how she is, this is how you are. This dynamic is what's here. If it doesn't meet your needs, walk away for a while for real, work on yourself, and maybe you'll both be in a healthier place if you reconnect down the road (and equally likely, maybe not). But if you both keep doing what you're doing, it's just going to continue going in circles while continuously eroding any trust that exists between the two of you.
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Post by krolle on Aug 10, 2021 1:22:21 GMT
I feel confused by this.. Hi krolle - all of it or only parts of it? I'm still a relative novice at this attachment stuff, but I'm not sure why you'd be insulted at his goals?
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