|
Post by anne12 on Mar 31, 2022 6:52:20 GMT
Yes they are areas where trauma occured These are guided visualizations that I have learned from my own therapist and teacher. She teaches and educates psychologists, therapists, coaches and body workers. I can give you some examples from my own life: I have had a ruptured security filter from a boss, who yelled at me in my office - I can feel it on my right side, because that’s where she came from. Then I have had a car accident where my car crashed into another car (from the side, but it can cause a rupture on the other side of the body) Ect. You dont like when people slap you on your back. You fell down the stairs as a todler You’ve had drama like relationships ? It can be from when you were playing as a kid Yes, you parents loud arguments can also cause it I think A lot of parents can shout at their todler, when the todler starts to walk and wants to investigate Everything around them. Also if you fell on your back or you’ve got hurt when being out playing as a kid ect. We can’t remember what happened to us before we were around 2-3 years old jebkinnisonforum.com/thread/3059/stages-heroes-journey-enagram-dragonsThere are exercises with competent protectors you can use. Maybe you can place them where your security filter is thin/ruptured. You can try to let a friend or therapist walk around you - maybe you can feel where your security filter is thin/where the is a hole, where you have week energetic boundaries. Maybe tnr9 has done this exercise in SE therapy ? I don’t like when people are shouting at me either. Most people don’t like to be yelled at. (I’m also hsp, so my startle respons works faster). My natural go to would be flee/freeze. It has also something to do with my connective tissue and my temperament. I use different SE techniques and other techniques I have learned. And I remove myself from the situation Diane Poole Heller has got a good YouTube clip where she talks about how women and men can sound the alarm to the tribe and signal danger. There are other good tools for this on the board. Working with boundarie exercises - jebkinnisonforum.com/post/40067/Try to look in the healing disorganized attatcment style thread in the general forum. It also explains about fight, flee, freeze, collapse, fawn, fitting in reactions jebkinnisonforum.com/post/17299/
|
|
|
Post by cherrycola on Mar 31, 2022 7:32:36 GMT
I am sensitive to any shouting. I don't directly remember being yelled at. I remember learning expected behaviors very quickly and then testing my boundaries as far as freedom and so I was rarely punished considering all I got up too. But I do remember my parents fighting a lot in the last year or two before they split. I find if people yell at me I can only handle it for a few minutes before I start to shake and my vision narrows and begins to disappear. I need to leave then or I basically say or do whatever it takes to make it stop. It can take quite awhile to return to level if I get agitated beyond a certain level. I'm not sure I understand the feeling the edges of the safety filter part. Is it a visualization or meditation exercise? Would there be areas where trauma occurred? I also was really outdoorsy and hurt myself a lot as a kid. I usually suppressed all thst to keep it from my parents because I had a lot of freedom if I didn't cause trouble. A lot of people would find yelling to be triggering. But it sounds like you are going into fawn when it occurs. Pete walker has a great explanation of the different trauma responses on his website. www.pete-walker.com/fourFs_TraumaTypologyComplexPTSD.htmFrom what you are describing I would recommend his book on cPTSD
|
|
|
Post by anne12 on Mar 31, 2022 9:41:49 GMT
Boundarie exercises Place your right hand out infront of you as if to defend yourself. This gives a sence of "stop, go away, back off". The Words can come later Now let your left hand come in as if you were making a space of boundarie infront of you. Imagine you are in a protective sfere. Feel around you where your energetic boundaries are. Do this in front of you, to the side, abowe you and behind you. Get a sence of what This space is like. How does IT feel in your Body ? Do you notise any sence of empowerment ? Does one direction feel safer than the others ? If one direction feel less safe you can bring in a competent protector. Imagine Them of the Edge of your spfere. See if that helps your spfere expand. This exercise can bring Up some boundary rupture that you dident know about. This is normal. Try to Say No, leave me alone, stay away. Any Words that comes to you are fine. You can Say Them out loud or Imagine your competent protector saying Them. Feel what happens in your Body and in your spfere of safety. Do you feel stronger, more secure ? Does the spfere Seem to expand ? If you get overwhelmed try Them out with someone you trust who can support you, someone who has your back. If you want to you can let the person put a supportive hand on your back Or get therapy with a somatic (attatchment) practisioner More boundarie exercises jebkinnisonforum.com/post/40067/
|
|
|
Post by tnr9 on Mar 31, 2022 10:26:07 GMT
I am sensitive to any shouting. I don't directly remember being yelled at. I remember learning expected behaviors very quickly and then testing my boundaries as far as freedom and so I was rarely punished considering all I got up too. But I do remember my parents fighting a lot in the last year or two before they split. I find if people yell at me I can only handle it for a few minutes before I start to shake and my vision narrows and begins to disappear. I need to leave then or I basically say or do whatever it takes to make it stop. It can take quite awhile to return to level if I get agitated beyond a certain level. I'm not sure I understand the feeling the edges of the safety filter part. Is it a visualization or meditation exercise? Would there be areas where trauma occurred? I also was really outdoorsy and hurt myself a lot as a kid. I usually suppressed all thst to keep it from my parents because I had a lot of freedom if I didn't cause trouble. Hi there….something I have learned in my SE therapy is that some trauma that sticks with us occurs during our non verbal days….when we are just an infant. It could be that your reaction to yelling predates your earliest memories. I know for myself, if I feel embarrassed or not heard or I feel like I do not have a choice in a situation…my throat will get tight (like I am being chocked). My therapist and I have concluded that this predates my earliest memories but continued as a result of having no say as a child when it came to my parents divorce and the subsequent custody battle….how do you pick a parent at the age of 9? I highly recommend seeing an SE therapist because their whole angle on therapy is to address trauma that is stored in the body. Part of the work is to identify ways to bring the body “back”….whether it is misaligned, numb, painful etc. Instead of asking how are you? My therapists asks…how does your body feel today? And we work on uncovering the story and go from there.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 13:16:24 GMT
rykus9 your reactions to yelling can also come from adult relationships with a lot of fighting and intensity. If your partners were FA you probably encountered a lot of destabilizing behavior and threats to your emotional security even if it wasn't threats to your physical security. Yelling doesn't always represent just a threat of aggression, it also represents a threat to belonging, and abandonment and rejection. It sounds like your mother was DA, and I'm guessing you didn't experience warmth that she didn't have to give as she was in her own survival. But a therapist can help you unpack that relationship better. One of the questions I was curious about... How do you feel about deep eye contact? I find that the exercises that had me imaging it the eye gaze from people welcoming me and loving me were too painful to do, and that fact helped me to look at my deep abandonment that I needed to address (as an avoidant I lived to deny that pain, but it was deep and felt like dying). The feeling was so painful because I recognized what I had never had but what I needed very much, to be seen and cherished. That feeling was stronger than my fear of attack, I guess you could say. So there wasn't a lot of active threat response but more of an chronic invisibility and wasting away that I soothed with solitary living, cutting myself off from people). That's what I've learned over the years, that I just didn't have a sense of belonging in the world. You may or may not relate to any of that, maybe all insecures do but the difference is in what we do about that abandonment... do we fight to be seen or do we give up? Do we ward off predators or dissolve into the ground? I think DA dissolve into the ground, FA tear off running or fight like a wildcat, and AP cry and reach out. My take. I think a main difference between being DA in relationship vs operating as FA in relationship may be a feeling of isolation and discontent in DA vs a feeling of active threat in FA, but I could be wrong. Also, there are clues in how you react to anything that feels like a threat to the relationship- do you withdraw or seek reassurance from the partner. You have a big chuck of DA for sure, and maybe you go both ways with the FA... all these labels really just help to uncover your deepest survival strategies and how they manifest on the daily. All of that is just a stranger on the internet sharing their own- maybe it helps and a therapist who can read your body language, and get a sense of you in person would be invaluable for helping you understand yourself, without projecting things on you you as can happen with other people who are speaking from their own experiences.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 13:40:20 GMT
DA thought: I don't expect a lot from you because I take care of myself. When you let me down I'll retreat because I expected that and will go back to plan A: making it on my own. I can make do with less, as long as I have my back and don't need to rely on you to get my needs met. It's always been this way, I saw it coming a mile away.
FA: I want to be close you but fear you and what you might do to me, or that you will see through me. So come here, but I'm gonna flinch no matter what you do. This situation confuses the hell out of me. What is going on?!
Oversimplified, to be sure. But kind of what I notice. Probably missing a lot of nuance because.... I have been primarily DA and will oversimplify anything. ha.
|
|
rykus9
Junior Member
Posts: 91
|
Post by rykus9 on Mar 31, 2022 14:14:28 GMT
So I thought more about yelling and realized I am only triggered by emotional reaction where I feel misunderstood. So that extreme reaction is only triggered by female partners where as when male people yell and get aggressive I withdraw into my core and become extremely calm and usually get a smug smirking look that further infuriates the aggressor.
I know what you mean about the protective layer now. I can feel it when I'm high stress. If I am sitting especially and people are being aggressive or unpredictable I can feel the energy vary in intensity if the are approaching me from different sides. It presents as a cold encroaching feeling I think I will try the exercises and to be more aware. I also have a lot of issues with anything touching my neck. Thought it might be past life stuff but maybe I just don't recall or am associating wrong.
I think I have strong eye contact. The few people that met my family say I have my mother's eyes. Very cold and piercing. Being from more rural areas I find I make very direct contact to the point in cities it makes people uneasy or attracts/invites pan handlers or others into approaching me. I've been told my intensity is almost predatory and my stare can make people uneasy where they withdraw a bit or open up a bit usually as a nervous thing.
I think in my partners that my eye contact and initial lack of recognizable emotion start the cycle that FA recognize from their childhood. I find I am always scanning my surroundings, and very aware of any movements or shifts so I am often making direct eye contact with every person in my area to assess the risks. I can see this unsettled some people as I recheck in every few minutes. This is when what I guess now is FA women seem to notice me and even if they never talk to me often they will either try to be closer physically in the space to me of start checking in with me through matching my gaze or focusing on.me more if they are also on alert. Maybe it's a safety thing.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 14:41:00 GMT
The energy around your eye contact as you describe it speaks mostly to me about FA, confronting and protecting with intensity. AP seek eye contact for connection and it's more gooey and warm, DA I think generally avoid eye contact because it feels uncomfortable and because desire to be invisible or the conditioning that they are invisible.
But the checking, scanning, staring down have the feel of a threat response that is active and not passive. Just my impression.
|
|
rykus9
Junior Member
Posts: 91
|
Post by rykus9 on Mar 31, 2022 15:00:13 GMT
Interesting stuff. So I guess the testing results make sense. Do true DA not have any FA/AP tendencies? When I read the DA stuff I feel most of it is pretty accurate but the FA some stuff does resonate as well. Guess I still lean DA so it is all applicable. When I initially read it seemed DA was more common... is it just less DA are likely to seek help here on the forums or are there just as many/more FA style? Thought the FA was the rare one?
|
|
|
Post by anne12 on Mar 31, 2022 15:03:45 GMT
Some of the das on the board also had some/trauma/disorganized attatchmentstyle.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 15:04:02 GMT
Interesting stuff. So I guess the testing results make sense. Do true DA not have any FA/AP tendencies? When I read the DA stuff I feel most of it is pretty accurate but the FA some stuff does resonate as well. Guess I still lean DA so it is all applicable. When I initially read it seemed DA was more common... is it just less DA are likely to seek help here on the forums or are there just as many/more FA style? Thought the FA was the rare one? Everyone is a mix, I have a slice of FA in my pie as a DA . I think the amount of problems FA dynamics cause interpersonally and within the self cause FA to search for help more... i don't actually think FA is rare contrary to the literature . DA are conditioned to cope alone and don't tend to look for solutions outwardly as much. I think.
|
|
|
Post by anne12 on Mar 31, 2022 15:07:04 GMT
How were you born ? Was there any problems ? I know some people who were born with the umbilical cord around their neck, can have problems with having anything around their neck or having anything touching their neck How we come into the world matters I think they talk about it in this podcast - coreawareness.com/womb-to-world-2/Working along side perinatologists, obstetricians, and indigenous midwives, Anna Verwaal RN, CLE has attended hundreds of high-risk hospital deliveries and natural births at home. Her research on the long-term effects of conception, nine months in the womb, and birth experience have evolved into an educational and healing perspective regarding the journey that shapes our lives. From Womb to World is a conversation between USA born Liz Koch and Dutch born Anna Verwaal concerning the assumptions, imprints, and traumas reflected in the cellular matrix of human beings that are expressed in the core tissue of the Psoas. You can try to ask your mother ….
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 15:07:54 GMT
I'm not saying you aren't heavily DA but your dynamic has a lot of FA manifestation in my opinion just based on what you've shared so far. There is more to be revealed in the process for sure!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 15:17:21 GMT
Some of the das on the board also had some/trauma/disorganized attatchmentstyle. I absolutely have but my trauma was worked through more before I got here- in my younger years I had more FA in my dynamic and when that resolved (through therapy ) a bit I found out about attachment style . Then I tested and was analyzed professionally as DA with an ability to resort to FA with certain situations or triggers, but DA describing my deep habitual coping strategies.
|
|
rykus9
Junior Member
Posts: 91
|
Post by rykus9 on Mar 31, 2022 15:19:09 GMT
I was born c section. I was a few weeks late I think maybe 3 or more.no complications that I'm aware of.
|
|