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Post by tnr9 on Mar 18, 2024 21:39:05 GMT
I disagree, with the statement that I’m not ready for a relationship. I was and I still am, just because my emotions got enmeshed with someone who brought out my anxious side and triggered old wounds which makes it hard for me to end things. I don’t see how I’m emotionally unavailable. I think to clarify things…getting hooked on someone who is unavailable makes you unavailable to someone who is available for what you are looking for. Why do FAs not close the door? For the same reason APs do not close the door…..they do not want to let go of what was “good” about the other person….however, they also do not want to continue in a relationship which carries expectations that they cannot meet. Put another way…a friendship does not have the same expectations as a dating relationship.
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Post by alexandra on Mar 19, 2024 0:38:08 GMT
Both AP and FA also have a fear of abandonment, so usually neither seeks complete disconnection. But that does not mean they want a healthy or functional connection or relationship. FA love being close but not too close and far but not too far. That's what soothes their nervous system the most. So once the romantic relationship is over, they will still happily come and go indefinitely to whatever extent the other person allows.
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Post by kat94 on Mar 19, 2024 20:10:15 GMT
I reached out to him, despite ghosting me for weeks he says the relationship was never over and that he was being stupid and felt unworthy. He says most of the time he doesn’t feel worthy enough and doesn’t understand why I stick by him. He agreed to meet up, and we had a nice time together and after he messaged saying he enjoyed himself.
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Post by tnr9 on Mar 19, 2024 20:39:19 GMT
I reached out to him, despite ghosting me for weeks he says the relationship was never over and that he was being stupid and felt unworthy. He says most of the time he doesn’t feel worthy enough and doesn’t understand why I stick by him. He agreed to meet up, and we had a nice time together and after he messaged saying he enjoyed himself. Be careful…because his words and actions are not matching. An available person would have reached out and asked for a break to get his act together…an unavailable person will continue the push pull as long as you are willing to play along. If he truly feels unworthy and wants to get better and have a chance at a successful relationship, he will go to therapy and get help.
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Post by alexandra on Mar 19, 2024 23:01:33 GMT
If he truly feels unworthy and wants to get better and have a chance at a successful relationship, he will go to therapy and get help. This is extremely important. You are NOT his therapist.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2024 23:48:48 GMT
Perhaps, since he's been vulnerable with you like this, you can set aside your anxiety and your needs and pour yourself into emotionally supporting him so that you two can remain in a relationship together? You've done some work on your attachment style, and while he hasn't made the choice to do a deep dive into his own psychological issues, perhaps you can compensate and make up for that, effectively becoming his route to healing through your own efforts. That way he doesn't have to do the hard stuff since he clearly is too wounded to do so? I wonder if your emotional availability could be enough for both of you? 🤔 Maybe you can heal him?
Of course, doing things this way will mean that everything you want and need in a relationship, such as consistency, trust, reciprocity... not being ghosted... those things will not be possible judging by his track record and his lack of effort to actually transform his relational style. But are those things really important? Can't you sacrifice them for someone you like so much? It seems like it would almost be worth it to continue being effectively abandoned just so you can have these little reunions where he actually gives you the time of day, and more... he actually enjoys himself with you which must feel fantastic after a few weeks of being completely ignored as if you don't even exist. At least he's got a good reason, he just isn't capable of showing up. That's a good enough reason not to, right?
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Post by kat94 on Mar 20, 2024 8:55:23 GMT
As much as I would like the idea of being his emotional support, this is what I have been trying to be/do for the past 5 months, by creating a safe space for him, giving him reassurance etc, yet it is never enough.
I agree with the comment above, that I need to be cautious, this is often his pattern of making promises and never delivers. And being mindful of my role in the relationship and looking after my own emotional needs, and not to become his therapist.
I do feel I did let my anxiety run away with me, and I rushed into seeing him without setting boundaries and fully discussing how we can healthy move forward. I think the next step is for us to have these discussions, otherwise we will just be going round in the same push pull cycle.
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Post by sunrisequest on Mar 20, 2024 9:17:03 GMT
Perhaps, since he's been vulnerable with you like this, you can set aside your anxiety and your needs and pour yourself into emotionally supporting him so that you two can remain in a relationship together? You've done some work on your attachment style, and while he hasn't made the choice to do a deep dive into his own psychological issues, perhaps you can compensate and make up for that, effectively becoming his route to healing through your own efforts. That way he doesn't have to do the hard stuff since he clearly is too wounded to do so? I wonder if your emotional availability could be enough for both of you? 🤔 Maybe you can heal him? Of course, doing things this way will mean that everything you want and need in a relationship, such as consistency, trust, reciprocity... not being ghosted... those things will not be possible judging by his track record and his lack of effort to actually transform his relational style. But are those things really important? Can't you sacrifice them for someone you like so much? It seems like it would almost be worth it to continue being effectively abandoned just so you can have these little reunions where he actually gives you the time of day, and more... he actually enjoys himself with you which must feel fantastic after a few weeks of being completely ignored as if you don't even exist. At least he's got a good reason, he just isn't capable of showing up. That's a good enough reason not to, right? This is scathing, but I'm gonna have to copy it down and re-read it if I am faced with this situation again in the future. Having been through this with my ex, this is actually bang-on in terms of what us anxious peeps do. We give the benefit of the doubt in situations where it just has not been earned. And we lose respect with ourselves and with our partners as a result. It's a slippery slope that doesn't usually end well. Helping someone to become more secure through your own security is a real thing - but only if the other person is a willing and conscious participant in that journey. Not if they're blindly flailing through relationships with their attachment wounds bleeding openly. Just a warning in terms of having that discussion around healthy boundaries. I found with my ex-FA that those discussions always went quite well if there was promise of lovely time together or a relationship hanging in the balance. But the actions just didn't match up with those healthy boundary discussions. So it might be worth getting really clear and realistic about what you want - maybe start small with things that you know for certain that you can stick to - i.e. no physical intimacy unless you're in a committed relationship, no chasing if he ghosts again... etc etc
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Post by tnr9 on Mar 20, 2024 11:44:37 GMT
As much as I would like the idea of being his emotional support, this is what I have been trying to be/do for the past 5 months, by creating a safe space for him, giving him reassurance etc, yet it is never enough. I agree with the comment above, that I need to be cautious, this is often his pattern of making promises and never delivers. And being mindful of my role in the relationship and looking after my own emotional needs, and not to become his therapist. I do feel I did let my anxiety run away with me, and I rushed into seeing him without setting boundaries and fully discussing how we can healthy move forward. I think the next step is for us to have these discussions, otherwise we will just be going round in the same push pull cycle. So….i am going to challenge you to look back further….who else in your past did you feel like you had to provide emotional support to or wanted to provide support to in order to regulate your own nervous system. Oftentimes…when faced with the desire to “caretaker” someone, it is tied to some past trauma that has yet to be healed. Caretaking is often both a desire and a repulsion to an unaware FA.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2024 13:40:00 GMT
As much as I would like the idea of being his emotional support, this is what I have been trying to be/do for the past 5 months, by creating a safe space for him, giving him reassurance etc, yet it is never enough. I agree with the comment above, that I need to be cautious, this is often his pattern of making promises and never delivers. And being mindful of my role in the relationship and looking after my own emotional needs, and not to become his therapist. I do feel I did let my anxiety run away with me, and I rushed into seeing him without setting boundaries and fully discussing how we can healthy move forward. I think the next step is for us to have these discussions, otherwise we will just be going round in the same push pull cycle. Precisely. And that's the question, how do you move forward in a healthy way with someone who doesn't even think they are worthy of something healthy? Really think of that. Think of your emotional caretaking for 5 months that never changed a thing for him. It's because this is ALWAYS ALWAYS an inside job. If you think that someone who hasn't even begun to change themselves and who only responded to your over-functioning once again, can proceed in any healthy manner, you are mistaken. This little reunion was all you, he just took the free ride and enjoyed it, thank you very much. Intentionally using you? Maybe or maybe not. Incompetent for a healthy relationship? Definitely. Absolutely. But he will get pulled along willingly until he ghosts again because he knows this isn't right, he just doesn't know what to do about it and hasn't figured out he's actually responsible for it, as an adult. And I was being sardonic to suggest that your emotional availability might be enough for both. (The whole post was sardonic with the aim of nudging you to use your critical thinking here). If you are anxious, and you are, your "emotional availability" is actually just "a lot of emotions that you are acuteky aware of causing you to be 'available' for an emotionally crippled person in an insecure dynamic". We have all been there in some form or another, all of us on the spectrum of attachment insecurity. We all suck at it, for a long time, before we get more clarity.
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Post by alexandra on Mar 20, 2024 13:40:43 GMT
Helping someone to become more secure through your own security is a real thing Sort of, but as you said, the anxious person can really trap themselves in thinking this way. It's not about helping someone become more secure... the only way this works is you are secure enough to naturally give the other person emotional space to deal with their own insecurities and healing by not triggering them. Because you are secure and don't need anything from them to "complete" you, so there's no boundary issues being caused or exacerbated by you. Helping is an active verb here that suggests overfunctioning. It may sound like I'm mincing semantics, but it's still an important distinction. They'll still trigger themselves, too, and that's also where their own willingness to work through their trauma comes into play.
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Post by cherrycola on Mar 20, 2024 14:12:44 GMT
As a healing FA the triggering myself part really resonates. I am pretttty great at story telling and picking up on the tiniest thing and completely dusregulating around it. It is really on me to do the work to show up in my relationships.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2024 15:36:27 GMT
I disagree, with the statement that I’m not ready for a relationship. I was and I still am, just because my emotions got enmeshed with someone who brought out my anxious side and triggered old wounds which makes it hard for me to end things. I don’t see how I’m emotionally unavailable. I think to clarify things…getting hooked on someone who is unavailable makes you unavailable to someone who is available for what you are looking for. Why do FAs not close the door? For the same reason APs do not close the door…..they do not want to let go of what was “good” about the other person….however, they also do not want to continue in a relationship which carries expectations that they cannot meet. Put another way…a friendship does not have the same expectations as a dating relationship. And to clarify further, getting hooked on an unavailable partner makes one emotionally unavailable to themselves, and others, because the focus is on manipulating the situation to get ones needs met which is not emotional availability. It's lots of emotions plus selfish motives that appear altruistic and are well intentioned, but it's not emotional availability.
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Post by alexandra on Mar 20, 2024 17:05:36 GMT
The video @introverttemporary linked was good at discussing some aspects of AP lack of emotional availability. All insecure attachment styles are emotionally unavailable when it comes down to it, which is why insecures are attracted to each other. It's the level of capacity they have for relationships, and it feels familiar and safer to have that mirrored back to you. AP and anxious FA want to feel longing, and they may think they don't feel anything without the longing and flooding of their nervous system. DA and avoidant FA may feel numb due to fear of engulfment or enmeshment or general blunting of their nervous systems from neglect and other trauma. None of this allows authentic vulnerability. AP specifically desperately seek to feel connection, but they lack connection in the relationship to themselves which is why they are "secretly" emotionally unavailable. As the video said, you can't be available if you are too disconnected from yourself and your own needs to know who you are or what you want. I'm not saying that in judgment, I'm saying it from experience being AP for decades, and getting to the other side enough that I can describe and communicate thoughts and feelings now that I couldn't at all back then. But when every one of your partners has issues and chaotic relationships and none of them ever work out smoothly, there's a lesson you're supposed to learn about yourself and why you're choosing these partners, and you'll keep experiencing these situations over and over until it's enough to start trying something different (assuming it's ever enough).
That may be difficult information to digest, but you can start with a more straightforward concept. All insecure types are temporarily emotional unavailable during periods of being triggered. Defenses are up, communication is poor, projection and interruptions to connection are happening whether it's anxious triggering or avoidant withdrawal. That may be an easier lens at which to start looking at this bigger picture, if you're ready to do so.
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Post by sunrisequest on Mar 23, 2024 2:29:15 GMT
Helping someone to become more secure through your own security is a real thing Sort of, but as you said, the anxious person can really trap themselves in thinking this way. It's not about helping someone become more secure... the only way this works is you are secure enough to naturally give the other person emotional space to deal with their own insecurities and healing by not triggering them. Because you are secure and don't need anything from them to "complete" you, so there's no boundary issues being caused or exacerbated by you. Helping is an active verb here that suggests overfunctioning. It may sound like I'm mincing semantics, but it's still an important distinction. They'll still trigger themselves, too, and that's also where their own willingness to work through their trauma comes into play. Agree with you alexandra helping was the wrong word for me to use there, which does imply over-functioning. A secure partner would have a positive influence on the healing of someone who is ready and willing to grow through their own relationship triggers as they come up. There can a lot of healing in that dynamic for an insecure person regardless of the work they do on themselves outside of a relationship. But there’s literally nowhere to go if there isn’t a combined desire to grow and learn and deal with whatever comes up, whatever the secure/insecure pairing is.
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