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Post by kat94 on Mar 23, 2024 17:23:16 GMT
The comments have made me reflect that I'm not as far into my healing journey as I originally thought, and I still have a lot more to work on.
As an update, I tried to express to him my needs, which were to spend quality time together and tried to schedule some time to meet. He responded saying as much as he would like that he doesn't feel like it. He has now gone back to avoidanting me.
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Post by lovebunny on Mar 23, 2024 18:11:21 GMT
As an update, I tried to express to him my needs, which were to spend quality time together and tried to schedule some time to meet. He responded saying as much as he would like that he doesn't feel like it. He has now gone back to avoidanting me. I'm sorry but I had to laugh out loud at that. At least he's honest. He doesn't feel like meeting your needs. You can explain it in the most perfect way using flowcharts and science-based evidence. You can show him in your words, your tears, and your voice how much it hurts you. But you're WASTING YOUR LIFE FORCE HE CAN'T/WON'T DO IT. Honestly, why are you bothering? I remember at the end of my last insecure r'ship, my soon-to-be-ex told me he was "triggered by expectations" and I realized how ridiculous it was that I was even trying to have an adult r'ship with such a child. It truly was laughable.
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Post by kat94 on Mar 23, 2024 18:27:52 GMT
Yes exactly, why am I bothering. After avoidanting me for weeks, he returns talking a good talk about how much he vaules the relationship and makes all these future plans. I gave him one need which is to spend regular time together and he can't even manage to see me two consecutive weeks!
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Post by kat94 on Mar 23, 2024 18:34:15 GMT
To add, I don't think his response was honest,it was just another way of him being guarded and pushing me away. If he were honest he would have told me what's really going on for him.
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Post by cherrycola on Mar 23, 2024 18:56:32 GMT
Yes exactly, why am I bothering. After avoidanting me for weeks, he returns talking a good talk about how much he vaules the relationship and makes all these future plans. I gave him one need which is to spend regular time together and he can't even manage to see me two consecutive weeks! I am proud of you and I hope you are proud of yourself. I think it is only when we stand in our adult space that we can truly know if someone else can show up for us. You didn't hint, you didn't protest you just said as one adult to another here is what I would like and he showed you who he is. Which is a gift. Now you can do what you want with that information, but when you communicate to someone on that level, it becomes very clear very quickly their capacity for an equal relationship.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2024 19:34:27 GMT
To add, I don't think his response was honest,it was just another way of him being guarded and pushing me away. If he were honest he would have told me what's really going on for him. How can you say he isn't honest here? Him saying he doesn't feel like it aligns with his actions perfectly. He is under no obligation to reveal anything to you, and it doesn't mean he's not being honest. He doesn't feel like it. The reasons why aren't your business actually. That is the thing with the anxious side... the need to know what someone doesn't want to tell you. At any rate, it is what it is, and his actions finally match his words. That's the best one can hope for, and enough to put the responsibility back on you... its yours to make a responsible decision after hearing his honest answer, which is NO.
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Post by iz42 on Mar 23, 2024 21:03:02 GMT
To add, I don't think his response was honest,it was just another way of him being guarded and pushing me away. If he were honest he would have told me what's really going on for him. I think there's a difference between honesty and vulnerability. He is being honest here to the best of his ability. Vulnerability requires self-awareness and discernment about the emotional safety of the situation. The fact that he is unable or unwilling to be vulnerable with you gives you more information about the the dynamic. Even if he is self-aware, nobody owes us their vulnerability. It's important to respect his limitations and believe that he's being honest.
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Post by alexandra on Mar 23, 2024 22:34:08 GMT
He was honest. Fearful avoidants have a weak sense of identity for various trauma-based reasons, and they're very reactionary. Their feelings reflect whatever is going on in the moment, and therefore can change moment to moment while still being honest. Him not feeling like meeting your needs isn't him playing games pushing you away, it's just how he feels today. Him verbally telling you he wants to try again and then putting in no effort to do so isn't even dishonesty, this is the type of emotionally distant relationship he wants.
If you put your needs out there, that's a great step and the right thing to do. But the next step is to really listen to his response, take it at face value, and decide if his version of trying again works for you. I'm seeing from your posts that it doesn't, and that this is the real him and what he can give a partner.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2024 0:34:27 GMT
FWIW, the concept of deactivation should be ignored completely except by the person who experiences this nervous system phenomenon. It is a concept that can only help a person who is actively trying to recognize and recover from it, IN THEMSELVES .
For the dating partner, the term is unnecessary and useless.
Ghosting is ghosting. Disappearing is disappearing. Ignoring is ignoring.
The term "deactivation" provides a label to anxious partners that some think they can use to "understand, help, support" the person displaying malignant relationship behaviors that result from nervous system deactivation.
And, the term can be applied inaccurately... not all who ghost are "deactivated".. some are just playing a very, very, very selfish game of "I do what I want while you wait, sucker!"
Referencing withdrawal as "deactivation" only creates the illusion that if you "understand" it, you can work with it. Tolerate it. Maybe even change it.
No. Ghosting is goodbye... coming back is a lie, Ghosting is goodbye.
Disappearing is goodbye. Reappearing is a lie.
Ignoring is the truth... attention is the lie.
It does no harm to view this in black and white terms, because you absolutely MUST have a red line boundary around being ignored, stonewalled, etc. If you excuse it with some psychobabble YOU WILL GET BURNED.
I say this because the good stuff in this push pull game is the dangerous stuff. It's not real. It keeps you hooked. The bad stuff is GOOD for you because if you pay attention and accept it, you will be set free from the vicious cycle of insecure shenanigans.
The bad will ALWAYS be the end game. The bad will damage and exhaust you, and become the only thing that really matters.
Really good doesn't come with really bad. The two don't coexist.
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Post by kat94 on Mar 24, 2024 7:54:07 GMT
He was honest. Fearful avoidants have a weak sense of identity for various trauma-based reasons, and they're very reactionary. Their feelings reflect whatever is going on in the moment, and therefore can change moment to moment while still being honest. Him not feeling like meeting your needs isn't him playing games pushing you away, it's just how he feels today. Him verbally telling you he wants to try again and then putting in no effort to do so isn't even dishonesty, this is the type of emotionally distant relationship he wants. Kat94 says I feel this is spot on, and describes him perfectly. This has been him the entire relationship, his mood changes from minute to minute. I feel others have pointed out maybe it's the anxious side in me or I was just curious to know more, but I initially took the "I don't feel like it" response as him withholding the truth. And I yes, from his actions he definitely wants an emotional distant relationship.
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Post by kat94 on Mar 24, 2024 8:07:29 GMT
I think you make a good point Introvert, I do use the "deactivating" as an excuse for his behaviours and actions. I tell myself he's not not a nasty person he just has "issues" because of his attachment style. He is letting me down again because of his "anxiety". He is ignoring me now because he is "deactivating". Again and again I tolerate it. And I also use it as a way to "understand" him.
As you rightly pointed out, it does consume me. I spend hours reading and watching stuff to better understand him. I waste time debriefing with friends. I spend time listening to him to try and understand. And what am I left with, I've lost interest in all the things I enjoy. I've had all my relationship needs neglected to accommodate for his. Currently I'm feeling guilty as he is ignoring my message I sent days ago, making me feel like it's my fault, as though I'm the cause for his stonewalling.
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Post by tnr9 on Mar 24, 2024 10:39:58 GMT
I think you make a good point Introvert, I do use the "deactivating" as an excuse for his behaviours and actions. I tell myself he's not not a nasty person he just has "issues" because of his attachment style. He is letting me down again because of his "anxiety". He is ignoring me now because he is "deactivating". Again and again I tolerate it. And I also use it as a way to "understand" him. As you rightly pointed out, it does consume me. I spend hours reading and watching stuff to better understand him. I waste time debriefing with friends. I spend time listening to him to try and understand. And what am I left with, I've lost interest in all the things I enjoy. I've had all my relationship needs neglected to accommodate for his. Currently I'm feeling guilty as he is ignoring my message I sent days ago, making me feel like it's my fault, as though I'm the cause for his stonewalling. That feeling of guilt is very common. But I would view it as an invitation to go deeper. He is simply a symptom of a well worn pattern in you. Imagine if you were to put the same number of hours into understanding “you”. Imagine if you gave yourself the same kind of understanding and curiosity regarding your reactions and behaviors as you give to his. The guilt feeling did not start with him…so who did it start with? And why? Spend some time with yourself and explore the 2 questions above. Understanding him does nothing to change the dynamic, but understanding yourself changes everything. Believe me, I have been at this diligently for years and it has literally changed my view of myself and others. But it takes time and valuing yourself above this guy. And it also takes facing some pretty painful moments….but once you get to the other side….there is an amazing freedom of “choice”.All insecurely attached individuals have this struggle…do I try to simply deal with the symptom (the most recent person who activated me) or do I tackle the source which requires going into my childhood and seeing my parents and myself in a different light. I hope you will take this time to look deeper into that second option. 🙂
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