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Post by kristyrose on Feb 13, 2018 20:03:22 GMT
Hey everyone,
Just a curious question to my avoidant friends...
My ex has started to talk to me again via text, but he is sending me family pics and telling me stories he already told me a few weeks ago before we stopped talking.
He does this to reestablish a connection because he knows how much I love sharing family info. It's almost like he forgets entirely things he tells me, and it seems like a thinly veiled way of pulling me back in.
I'm working on staying with myself, doing my own work, but curious. Is it possible he is just attached to me in some emotional way and cannot just move on? Do any of you ever feel like while you may not want to be in a relationship with someone, you want to keep them around because your attached?
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Post by fatalcharm on Feb 13, 2018 20:10:15 GMT
That's typical FA behavior. He IS attached to you, which is the reason for wanting to connect with you AND for getting triggered and wanting to pull away.
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Post by kristyrose on Feb 13, 2018 20:53:54 GMT
I guess I'm also wondering about the awareness of this attachment?
When I have called out my ex's behavior, he denies it. For example, when I mentioned how he reached out after a week apart and seemed as happy as I was to see him, he denied reaching out and said he would need to see the text evidence.
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Post by ocarina on Feb 13, 2018 20:56:40 GMT
Yes - mine would be the same and this would carry on ad infinitim if I let it.
The problem is that him being attached and wanting to keep in touch - to make him feel good and his ability to actually give you the security and love that you need in a relationship are two very different things. I know you have been in alot of pain over the last few weeks - is this push and pull what you really want?
This is a question only you can answer - the intermittent reinforcement will do a very good job of pulling you back in if you let it - I am not sure you need to question his motivation - maybe instead ask YOU what YOU want from him - then be honest with both yourself and him. I don't see what's changed here? Re read your recent posts and maybe spend some time considering whether the short term connection, which is helping to ease the pain at the moment, is worth the long term pain in reconnecting.
I have learnt that being really honest with my partner or ex partner, is a really good way of keeping boundaries intact. If you want a relationship which means X Y and Z then that's fine - and assuming he knows this and has nothing different to offer what are you getting out of this kind of contact?
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Post by kristyrose on Feb 13, 2018 21:12:16 GMT
Yes - mine would be the same and this would carry on ad infinitim if I let it. The problem is that him being attached and wanting to keep in touch - to make him feel good and his ability to actually give you the security and love that you need in a relationship are two very different things. I know you have been in alot of pain over the last few weeks - is this push and pull what you really want? This is a question only you can answer - the intermittent reinforcement will do a very good job of pulling you back in if you let it - I am not sure you need to question his motivation - maybe instead ask YOU what YOU want from him - then be honest with both yourself and him. I don't see what's changed here? Re read your recent posts and maybe spend some time considering whether the short term connection, which is helping to ease the pain at the moment, is worth the long term pain in reconnecting. I have learnt that being really honest with my partner or ex partner, is a really good way of keeping boundaries intact. If you want a relationship which means X Y and Z then that's fine - and assuming he knows this and has nothing different to offer what are you getting out of this kind of contact? Thank for this post. No, I definitely do not want to keep going with the push/pull. I know he will never be able to be in a relationship with me, but I was curious about what this may feel like for an avoidant? I know for me, the reason I have stayed engaged is because of fear of abandonment and how my AP tendencies get very triggered. However, these past weeks of feeling utterly alone and extreme pain, I am coming out of it slowly with a lot more clarity and can spot his actions as more self-serving than a true desire to reach out and be together. But, to your point, hearing from him does ease that pain of having been ignored for so long, but I'm too afraid to fully connect again after having worked through some very dark days.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 21:13:12 GMT
I guess I'm also wondering about the awareness of this attachment? When I have called out my ex's behavior, he denies it. For example, when I mentioned how he reached out after a week apart and seemed as happy as I was to see him, he denied reaching out and said he would need to see the text evidence. I agree with ocarina...figure out what you want rather than focusing on his motives. But needing to see text evidence is some sort of crazy making. I would think he has issues other than just attachment.
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Post by ocarina on Feb 13, 2018 21:27:47 GMT
Kirstyrose - being too afraid to connect with him is actually a useful piece of self protection - this relationship has hurt you - and you're only just beginning to see light at the end of the tunnel. This new round of ambivalence is just that - more of the same but this time you have a choice whether to focus on yourself and your own healing or to go back down the rabbit hole of wondering what he's up to, what his motives are etc
The text evidence sounds really crazy and crazy making as do alot of his behaviours whilst you were together.
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Post by kristyrose on Feb 13, 2018 21:36:08 GMT
Kirstyrose - being too afraid to connect with him is actually a useful piece of self protection - this relationship has hurt you - and you're only just beginning to see light at the end of the tunnel. This new round of ambivalence is just that - more of the same but this time you have a choice whether to focus on yourself and your own healing or to go back down the rabbit hole of wondering what he's up to, what his motives are etc The text evidence sounds really crazy and crazy making as do alot of his behaviours whilst you were together. Yes, I agree that the fear is a good healthy indication that I'm getting farther along in my acceptance and my work. I think as I reflect on the relationship and how we both showed up, I'm trying to understand him as much as I can so that he's not the villain and I'm not the victim. However, the time is definitely right this very moment to keep the focus only on myself and healing. Thank you though for validating the crazy making behavior! He said a lot of things like "i only put my arm around you because you seemed cold"- even though he did this indoors, all the time, anytime. So yes, that conversation was a very hard eye-opening experience. Thank you also, for being very supportive.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 22:17:27 GMT
i think he is absolutely abusive. gaslighting. crazy making. gross!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 22:21:06 GMT
Before my relationship went on its inexorable and final push/pull cycle where we broke up four times in as many weeks, my ex-FA while feeling in an particularly vulnerable mood (might have been after sex) told me: "I'm scared because I'm used to you." I just told her I loved her and she said "I love you too, and it's only going to go that way more and more." I took it as a good sign back. Looking back, this was probably a sign of the internal conflict starting to become really difficult to deal with as she found herself getting too close for comfort. It's a very bittersweet memory as it was everything I wanted to hear, but now it I realize it hearkened our demise.
p.s. does anyone else wistfully look at the "add attachment" button on the top right of the post editor each time they are writing something that's sad? lol.
p.p.s. And Kristy, you need to go full no-contact. You risk falling back into pattern.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 22:25:59 GMT
Before my relationship went on its inexorable and final push/pull cycle where we broke up four times in as many weeks, my ex-FA while feeling in an particularly vulnerable mood (might have been after sex) told me: "I'm scared because I'm used to you." I just told her I loved her and she said "I love you too, and it's only going to go that way more and more." I took it as a good sign back. Looking back, this was probably a sign of the internal conflict starting to become really difficult to deal with as she found herself getting too close for comfort. It's a very bittersweet memory as it was everything I wanted to hear, but now it I realize it hearkened our demise. p.s. does anyone else wistfully look at the "add attachment" button on the top right of the post editor each time they are writing something that's sad? lol. add attachment. πππ laughter is good medicine π
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 22:30:13 GMT
kristyrose, he toys with you like a sociopath, i hate it! anyone can be a target, they are cunning. this guy is horrible. he is the villain. i rarely say that, but shit! heβs bad.
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Post by kristyrose on Feb 13, 2018 23:21:07 GMT
Before my relationship went on its inexorable and final push/pull cycle where we broke up four times in as many weeks, my ex-FA while feeling in an particularly vulnerable mood (might have been after sex) told me: "I'm scared because I'm used to you." I just told her I loved her and she said "I love you too, and it's only going to go that way more and more." I took it as a good sign back. Looking back, this was probably a sign of the internal conflict starting to become really difficult to deal with as she found herself getting too close for comfort. It's a very bittersweet memory as it was everything I wanted to hear, but now it I realize it hearkened our demise. p.s. does anyone else wistfully look at the "add attachment" button on the top right of the post editor each time they are writing something that's sad? lol. p.p.s. And Kristy, you need to go full no-contact. You risk falling back into pattern. Oh I'm so sorry you have gone through that. I know you are working through the pain, but I'm happy to see some humor there as well!! And yeah, I agree NC is the only safeguard to this crazy making mess.
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Post by kristyrose on Feb 13, 2018 23:31:07 GMT
kristyrose, he toys with you like a sociopath, i hate it! anyone can be a target, they are cunning. this guy is horrible. he is the villain. i rarely say that, but shit! heβs bad. Ya know what T, its funny you say sociopath, I came across an article on sociopaths from psychology today and it describes my ex almost perfectly. I pretty much fell out of my chair!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 23:36:12 GMT
kristyrose, he toys with you like a sociopath, i hate it! anyone can be a target, they are cunning. this guy is horrible. he is the villain. i rarely say that, but shit! heβs bad. Ya know what T, its funny you say sociopath, I came across an article on sociopaths from psychology today and it describes my ex almost perfectly. I pretty much fell out of my chair! i would caution you against further engagement at all. only bad things can come of it.
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