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Post by goldilocks on Apr 4, 2018 12:11:52 GMT
I´m curious to see what research is actually out there about the correlation between attachment style and personality disorders. I found this: The aim of this survey was to examine in depth the performance of the experimental group (patients with personality disorders). Indeed, they have been grouped into the three Clusters operationally defined in DSM-5 [1], as follows:
Cluster A
–– Paranoid personality disorder, characterized by a pattern of irrational suspicion and mistrust of others, interpreting motivations as malevolent
–– Schizoid personality disorder, characterized by a lack of interest and detachment from social relationships, apathy, and restricted emotional expression
–– Schizotypal personality disorder, characterized by a pattern of extreme discomfort interacting socially, and distorted cognitions and perceptions
Cluster B
- Borderline personality disorder, characterized by extreme “black and white” thinking, instability in relationships, self-image, identity and behaviour often leading to self-harm and impulsivity
- Narcissistic personality disorder, characterized by a pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy
- Histrionic personality disorder, characterized by a pervasive attention-seeking behaviour including inappropriately seductive behaviour and shallow or exaggerated emotions
- Antisocial personality disorder, characterized by a pervasive disregard for the law and the rights of others
Cluster C
- Avoidant personality disorder, characterized by pervasive Feelings of social inhibition and inadequacy, extreme sensitivity to negative evaluation
- Dependent personality disorder, characterized by pervasive psychological need to be cared of by other people
- Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder, characterized by rigid conformity to rules, perfectionism, and control to the point of satisfaction and exclusion of leisurely activities and friendships
As the literature has widely demonstrated [2,3,5,8,33,34], personality disorders have different expression patterns, regardless of the Clusters. Considering that patients with personality disorders experience several relationship problems (such as adult attachment and emotional dysregulation) and that this is largely due to deficits in metacognition, we assume that there are group differences in Cluster A, B, and C’s performance.
| Cluster A % | Cluster B % | Cluster C %
| Secure attachment
| 0% | 0% | Dismissing Avoidant attachment
| 0% | 0% | 100% | Preoccupied attachment | 12,5%
| 12,5% | 75% | Fearful Avoidant attachment
| 33% | 33% | 33% |
Table 2: Styles of adult attachment. I´ll see if I can find more!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 12:28:48 GMT
my personal experience as avoidant whicb i shared on another thread addressing confidence, is that i have feel inadequate in close interpersonal engagement but NOT in other areas. The sense of inadequacy for me, has been centered around feeling largely misunderstood and unable to bridge the gap.
Again, i think that individuals vary along spectrums, and even within an individual things are not black and white.
Close Interpersonal relating or intimate relationships are just one facet of human life. I have excelled and felt high self esteem in many areas even as i have felt inadequate in intimacy. Of course relationships are important. But there are many other ways we express ourselves.
but that's just my personal experience. what do i know ?
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 4, 2018 12:49:41 GMT
I found another article, this one on NPD specifically:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 12:55:39 GMT
so for example i have been shocked to read that AP feel worthless due to interactions with a partner, because my mind was screaming "what about the rest of you and your life?! how can this be?" i just dont understand it but i guess the difference is in the priority placement of relationship in Ap vs DA.
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 4, 2018 13:09:59 GMT
so for example i have been shocked to read that AP feel worthless due to interactions with a partner, because my mind was screaming "what about the rest of you and your life?! how can this be?" i just dont understand it but i guess the difference is in the priority placement of relationship in Ap vs DA. I think so too. I guess a DA could feel insecure if he lacked skills, but that is an area one can work on. I really do wonder how someone AP would feel if his partner was treating him like a prince, but the rest of him and his life were not in good shape.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 13:28:43 GMT
so for example i have been shocked to read that AP feel worthless due to interactions with a partner, because my mind was screaming "what about the rest of you and your life?! how can this be?" i just dont understand it but i guess the difference is in the priority placement of relationship in Ap vs DA. I hope I'm not generalizing, but could it be that a small % of APs need validation, without which they feel worthless? From my limited real life experience, I notice that neediness can be a symptom of a disorder, of someone who cannot feel whole without others offering attention, gestures of love, constant assurance and giving, etc. At the extreme, they create a lot of drama for themselves and others, simply to have people coming back to offer attention, companionship, sympathy, etc. They fear abandonment but do not realize that it is exactly this demand or expectation of others to provide constant care and attention that drive them away. I feel "used" sometimes after spending time with someone who goes over and over about trivial matters in their lives (to me they are trivial anyway...) and go through an inner turmoil of feeling guilt about wanting to distance myself and knowing that they will feel abandoned. They are also unable to "see" outside of their inner dialogue, and you are either for or against them, so you give up trying to tell them what you honestly feel. In the end, the priority for all of us, regardless of attachment styles, is to fix ourselves first, to be at peace, fulfilled, appreciative of life, with enough within to share with others before we seek relationships with others, be they friends or lovers. This is by far the most important journey for all of us, as we are the only constant in our lives, and we need to learn most of all, how to live with ourselves.
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Post by Jaeger on Apr 4, 2018 13:36:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 13:41:33 GMT
so for example i have been shocked to read that AP feel worthless due to interactions with a partner, because my mind was screaming "what about the rest of you and your life?! how can this be?" i just dont understand it but i guess the difference is in the priority placement of relationship in Ap vs DA. I hope I'm not generalizing, but could it be that a small % of APs need validation, without which they feel worthless? From my limited real life experience, I notice that neediness can be a symptom of a disorder, of someone who cannot feel whole without others offering attention, gestures of love, constant assurance and giving, etc. At the extreme, they create a lot of drama for themselves and others, simply to have people coming back to offer attention, companionship, sympathy, etc. They fear abandonment but do not realize that it is exactly this demand or expectation of others to provide constant care and attention that drive them away. I feel "used" sometimes after spending time with someone who goes over and over about trivial matters in their lives (to me they are trivial anyway...) and go through an inner turmoil of feeling guilt about wanting to distance myself and knowing that they will feel abandoned. They are also unable to "see" outside of their inner dialogue, and you are either for or against them, so you give up trying to tell them what you honestly feel. In the end, the priority for all of us, regardless of attachment styles, is to fix ourselves first, to be at peace, fulfilled, appreciative of life, with enough within to share with others before we seek relationships with others, be they friends or lovers. This is by far the most important journey for all of us, as we are the only constant in our lives, and we need to learn most of all, how to live with ourselves. love that last paragraph! that's what it's about.
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 4, 2018 13:44:18 GMT
In the end, the priority for all of us, regardless of attachment styles, is to fix ourselves first, to be at peace, fulfilled, appreciative of life, with enough within to share with others before we seek relationships with others, be they friends or lovers. This is by far the most important journey for all of us, as we are the only constant in our lives, and we need to learn most of all, how to live with ourselves. This is so true for all of us.
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 4, 2018 14:09:05 GMT
This really only says anything about how attachment style is correlated with the expression of narcissism, given NPD. If we know a person has NPD, and we know his attachment style, we may use this information to guess how his NPD is expressed. However, this does not tell us anything about the likelyhood that someone has NPD when we know only his attachment style. This does tell us something about the likelyhood of various attachment styles given NPD: The general population is more along these lines according to Jeb: What I observe from the comparison is that FA are more prevalent among people with NPD than among the general population, AP are about equally prevalent in both groups and both secure and DA are less prevalent among those with NPD than in the general population.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 14:17:17 GMT
omg you guys are breaking my brain but i respect what you're doing here.... i just can't keep up lol!
the words start to get all twisty and then i 'm like "where's my coffee?"
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Post by leavethelighton on Apr 4, 2018 23:33:47 GMT
I ask because one of the listed characteristics of a person with a DA attachment style is that they have a high self esteem....I am curious if those with a primary DA attachment style on this board agree with that assessment. Actually, I think one of the characteristics is artificially high self-esteem. Avoidant attachment is based on people creating a persona with high self esteem to mask the true lack of it inside of themselves, according to what I have read on the matter and what personal experience I have in dealing with a DA ex. To keep up that persona is to keep on surviving through whatever pain has happened in the past. "I'm fine, I'm confident, I can handle anything by myself, I don't need anyone" Part of keeping this intact is blaming others when things go wrong; to admit fault and look critically at yourself is to open the door to reflection and doubt, both of which will eventually lead to the house of cards that is the created persona falling down. I agree with this.
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Post by tnr9 on Apr 5, 2018 0:09:34 GMT
so for example i have been shocked to read that AP feel worthless due to interactions with a partner, because my mind was screaming "what about the rest of you and your life?! how can this be?" i just dont understand it but i guess the difference is in the priority placement of relationship in Ap vs DA. I think so too. I guess a DA could feel insecure if he lacked skills, but that is an area one can work on. I really do wonder how someone AP would feel if his partner was treating him like a prince, but the rest of him and his life were not in good shape. Depends I guess on the criteria you use...because I could argue the opposite...would someone want to date a man who has everything else together but treats his partner like crap. I would rather date the guy you mention because circumstances can change, but a man who invests zippo in his relationship is likely to keep that pattern going.
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Post by tnr9 on Apr 5, 2018 0:20:17 GMT
Also...I think the key is to find a balance between focus on the relationship and focus on the other bits.....it makes sense that wounding of the primarily bond would skew a person to either put more focus on the relationship or more focus on the other bits. I think in understanding each other, we have to remember the original wounding that set things in motion. I don't think anyone chooses to have attachment pain.
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Post by mrcamper on Apr 23, 2018 15:42:04 GMT
I think an AP can view this as a power imbalance, and that a rug was snatched from underneath them.
What does the DA feel when the relationship is in this state? Nothing, as viewed by the AP. Like they couldn't care less. You don't matter.
A DA AP pairing is painful..... To the AP.
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