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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 20:12:55 GMT
Contrary to your assumptions, we had a very candid and open conversation in which I did exactly as you described. He was ultimately able to recognize what he did and how destructive it was, but due to the pattern of his own reactivity I chose to end the relationship because no lasting progress was being made. Your claim that I probably did something or didn't do something might better be framed as a question, rather than this kind of assumption. Probably. Why does the suggestion that a DA probably does characteristically DA things seem abrasive to you? Nothing I wrote was personal - I'm just a stranger trying to help. You mentioned in your original post you were "wondering about intentions" - can you see how that might indicate a lack of open communication? Sorry if it felt like a dig but it wasn't. You didn't make a general statement about DA, you said that because I am DA I "probably" did something. That's an assumption, phrased as "YOU PROBABLY". Your language addressed me directly with the pronoun "You" and therefore was personal.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 20:15:26 GMT
And - to add, as a DA I very often don't feel much emotion even when others overstep the mark I tend to sit back and accept or deactivate - so perhaps this glimpse of anger is a sign of progress - welcome it in and tend it with care and it will soon take its leave. Thank you ocarina, I appreciate your input very much. This has been an issue for me as well, tolerating boundary busting behavior because dismissive reactions insulate and make that possible- to minimize or shut down. Taking a healthy, proactive step to uphold my boundaries is growth and peace for me. Thank you for understanding that!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 23:32:57 GMT
The day that this incident happened was devastating to me. We had made strides toward better communication. I am at a place in my awareness and recovery that I am very candid about what I think and feel, and in fact feel very at ease with hard conversations. This is because I have found deep healing on the other side of them. In fact, this is something that he always loved about me, he called my speaking and expressing style "clean and no gloss". He admired it and said he felt relaxed with it because he never had to wonder what I think or feel, he never had to guess, and it made him feel safe and confident and he just had a lot of respect for me in that regard.
During the course of the relationship, the stark contrast between our communication styles emerged. He typically would cloak any negativity happening inside him with denial, or saying exactly the opposite of what he meant. He would use sarcasm in ways that would confuse me terribly. He was just a very poor communicator and it stemmed from his inability to be authentic and emotionally honest about insecurities or any kind of pain.
We enjoyed a lot of time together, and interacted deeply when things were good. But if he got triggered, things went sideways quickly and brutally. I think this is my first experience with an FA, and he had no awareness.
The day that I shared the information about this man, I did so because I was protecting us, him, me. He apparently became jealous and threatened but denied that and rebuffed any attempt of mine to offer assurance and security and launched into a cold account of this other woman (made nothing into something) and minimized the importance and depth of our entire relationship in a display of untouchability, invulnerability.
We were speaking on audio so I dialed in for a video call so I could be sure to have eye contact and try to repair what was happening. This made it worse because he was relentless and I had to see him look straight in my eyes and say these terrible things.
I told him that the things he was saying were hurting me very badly and that I felt he was casting doubt on the truth and importance of our entire relationship. I was asking him to please help me understand why he was casting doubt on our relationship. I told him that this entire conversation was shocking to me and I felt very hurt and confused by it.
He denied having any emotional upset and persisted.
This was the most painful betray I can recall, because we had been working so hard together to grow and learn how to love each other well. We had had a wonderful day. And I was lovin him so much. I was devastated. He maintained his emotionless facade all evening. I shut down. I realized I could not tolerate feeling like that ever again over his unresolved emotional issues and that was my turning point.
Today he acknowledged his fault and that he had completely abandoned me and the relationship in defense of his own insecurity that had nothing to do with me or how I treat him or the relationship, it's just stuff he hadn't worked through.
At least he was honest and that eased my feeling of anger. That hurt me badly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 3:48:38 GMT
As I reflect on the conversation today I realize that it wasn't his admission of fault that eased my anger and pain about what happened. He had already done that in a conversation post break up. What he was able to do today was 1) admit that he felt pain and vulnerability due to a perceived but unrealistic threat and that his defense against loss was destructive; and 2) recognize the acute pain and distress he caused ; and 3) recognize that my intentions and actions were loyal and protective instead of disloyal and harmful. Those things were never acknowledged and it was a sore spot burning in my chest whenever I thought of it. I felt humiliated and betrayed and that my actions and intent were mischaracterized very hurtfully. I also felt stupid for trusting him with my heart.
That video on the needs of the DA nailed what went wrong with all of this so well, I actually got a lump in my throat when I watched it. Nearly everything in that video applies to illustrate why this relationship was so devastating to me in the end.
I am a bit exhausted from what I guess amounted to an emotional but helpful conversation for me, to ease my anger and pain about what happened. Sometimes we don't get that, so I am glad that it happened. I have had to go without that for the most part, as long as I can remember, in my life, as probably most of us have.
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Post by alexandra on Feb 11, 2019 4:42:16 GMT
@nullified, a lot of this still rings true to me, and I think your inkling that he's FA is probably correct. I received the acknowledgment that I'd been abandoned over reasons that were my FA ex's baggage and actually had nothing to do with me about 4 months later, which eased my confusion and cognitive dissonance. Unfortunately, though he'd realized that, he was unwilling to do any work to confront it further. It really hurt me most at the time that he wanted to stay friends at his convenience yet I wasn't "worth" the effort for him to confront his baggage even though our relationship was primarily good (though I understand now that insecure attachment doesn't work that way), so that's at which point I felt strangled by him not respecting the space I asked for and went no contact for the better part of a year. That's when I really started dealing with my AP head on, and the whole thing was quite painful.
Your situation isn't exactly the same, but I understand. Hang in there. Hopefully his admission today can give you some more closure as you process.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 4:54:01 GMT
@nullified , a lot of this still rings true to me, and I think your inkling that he's FA is probably correct. I received the acknowledgment that I'd been abandoned over reasons that were his baggage and actually had nothing to do with me about 4 months later, which eased my confusion and cognitive dissonance. Unfortunately, though he'd realized that, he was unwilling to do any work to confront it further. It really hurt me most at the time that he wanted to stay friends at his convenience yet I wasn't "worth" the effort for him to confront his baggage even though our relationship was primarily good (though I understand now that insecure attachment doesn't work that way), so that's at which point I felt strangled by him not respecting the space I asked for and went no contact for the better part of a year. That's when I really started dealing with my AP head on, and the whole thing was quite painful. Your situation isn't exactly the same, but I understand. Hang in there. Hopefully his admission today can give you some more closure as you process. Thank you, for sharing your experience also because it does help me to make sense of what seemed so senseless, and today's conversation did help me resolve some strong negative emotions. Fortunately, when I broke up with him over this I had reached a point of letting go, and as I'm not AP I don't really seek reunification with someone who has hurt me repeatedly. Obviously my reaction to that is to lose the attachment which is extremely helpful, I won't lie. It is not too important to me what he does with his side of things as the relationship already became unimportant to me. I don't know what further communication there will be, at this point. I'm glad that today didn't seem to involve manipulations and mind games. And if he's got some awareness of some things he needs to explore then great. I appreciate your support. It's very educational to get an explanation of things from other perspectives because the other styles, looking from the outside, are very confusing (and sometimes frustrating, I will admit) to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 15:27:05 GMT
I'm just going to work through my thoughts and feelings about this here to see if I can understand more about what I really need in a relationship. The video was a great synopsis, but there's more . I got a good night of sleep and I woke up with some more thoughts about it all.
There was a pattern that became established that I don't want to repeat. I want to be alert to it happening and recognize when it's me working hand over fist to bail out a sinking ship. The pattern was this. We would have a nice time, day a quiet weekend together with sleepovers, some fun activity, lounging around, cooking together or whatever. I enjoyed the weekend together and had no problem balancing that out with the natural separation of the work week, when our conflicting schedules had us mostly in contact with calls, texts, video calling... and still allowing me the time and space I need to have time for myself and my other priorities. I thrive with time by myself and solitary activities, and really the romantic relationship was my biggest personal involvement with others besides work and my kids. I don't hang out with friends much because really we are all similar but when we do get together it's deep and meaningful.
Anyway, the pattern. After a great weekend, that left me feeling connected and relaxed and ready to go out to the other areas of my life and be my best (connection does that for me- it makes me feel like everything is better, I am in a good place to be my best for the other areas of my life.). So, he'd be at work and I would be doing my day, thinking fond thoughts of him while being able to dedicate myself to whatever it was I was doing, and I'd get The Text. He's been thinking. He has some uncertainties. Where is this going? He's got some doubt, always a new doubt. Some new obstacle, some reason that this may not be as stable as we thought and we have to talk about it. He'd ask, can you video? I've always made myself available for that. I enjoy when it's just a good conversation checking in and saying hello, love ya, whatever. But I always took the video call in this case also because I wanted to know, what is wrong? Is there something I've missed?
Once we got on video call, I could see him smiling and the sun was coming out of his face at me so I knew he was ok, just thinking through something and I would try to help him unpack it. Whatever the concern was, we would talk about it and either come up with a solution or just ease a doubt and I'd feel like it was just a little wrinkle and things are fine, we would move forward with an awareness of whatever it was and no big deal.
What I see looking back, is that his own insecurity had him constantly looking to me for answers, or to assure him of this or that, that everything was going to be fine, and he was always shaking the foundation. I was in a position to always be consulted to stabilize and provide security, while receiving no assurance or security myself. There was always Something. Well, not always, it was intermittent with "This is the best most happiest thing ever and I want if forever!". Over time, I feel like O was doing all the heavy work to stabilize things while he constantly chopped away at it with his worry and overthinking.
I learned that whatever we resolved, was not really resolved. And, if it was, there was a new worry coming. And, if he felt secure and ready to just move forward, a day at a time, he would soon change and come with a new concern. I can look back and see that I foolishly relaxed inbetween those times, and even though it was a pattern I would be surprised by each new worry. He had no consistent faith or confidence in the relationship. I did, I guess because I was in denial. I would read the worry text and get a pinch. in my chest. What now? That's a sign I need to not ignore in the future. That's a pattern I don't want to be a part of any more.
What I need is someone as solution oriented as I am, rather than someone problem oriented. I need a partner who has confidence in the bond and in themselves. I need someone who can provide me with stability instead of just questioning the relationship all the time. I feel disillusioned in that I was just showing up and giving my all to someone who never really believed in what we were doing and that it could ever be ok. What's the point? He always looked way into the future and found reasons this was going to be difficult. Contrast with what a beautiful future we would have. While effing up days at a time with an inability to just freaking relax and build something with me.
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Post by faithopelove on Feb 11, 2019 21:33:09 GMT
I'm just going to work through my thoughts and feelings about this here to see if I can understand more about what I really need in a relationship. The video was a great synopsis, but there's more . I got a good night of sleep and I woke up with some more thoughts about it all. There was a pattern that became established that I don't want to repeat. I want to be alert to it happening and recognize when it's me working hand over fist to bail out a sinking ship. The pattern was this. We would have a nice time, day a quiet weekend together with sleepovers, some fun activity, lounging around, cooking together or whatever. I enjoyed the weekend together and had no problem balancing that out with the natural separation of the work week, when our conflicting schedules had us mostly in contact with calls, texts, video calling... and still allowing me the time and space I need to have time for myself and my other priorities. I thrive with time by myself and solitary activities, and really the romantic relationship was my biggest personal involvement with others besides work and my kids. I don't hang out with friends much because really we are all similar but when we do get together it's deep and meaningful. Anyway, the pattern. After a great weekend, that left me feeling connected and relaxed and ready to go out to the other areas of my life and be my best (connection does that for me- it makes me feel like everything is better, I am in a good place to be my best for the other areas of my life.). So, he'd be at work and I would be doing my day, thinking fond thoughts of him while being able to dedicate myself to whatever it was I was doing, and I'd get The Text. He's been thinking. He has some uncertainties. Where is this going? He's got some doubt, always a new doubt. Some new obstacle, some reason that this may not be as stable as we thought and we have to talk about it. He'd ask, can you video? I've always made myself available for that. I enjoy when it's just a good conversation checking in and saying hello, love ya, whatever. But I always took the video call in this case also because I wanted to know, what is wrong? Is there something I've missed? Once we got on video call, I could see him smiling and the sun was coming out of his face at me so I knew he was ok, just thinking through something and I would try to help him unpack it. Whatever the concern was, we would talk about it and either come up with a solution or just ease a doubt and I'd feel like it was just a little wrinkle and things are fine, we would move forward with an awareness of whatever it was and no big deal. What I see looking back, is that his own insecurity had him constantly looking to me for answers, or to assure him of this or that, that everything was going to be fine, and he was always shaking the foundation. I was in a position to always be consulted to stabilize and provide security, while receiving no assurance or security myself. There was always Something. Well, not always, it was intermittent with "This is the best most happiest thing ever and I want if forever!". Over time, I feel like O was doing all the heavy work to stabilize things while he constantly chopped away at it with his worry and overthinking. I learned that whatever we resolved, was not really resolved. And, if it was, there was a new worry coming. And, if he felt secure and ready to just move forward, a day at a time, he would soon change and come with a new concern. I can look back and see that I foolishly relaxed inbetween those times, and even though it was a pattern I would be surprised by each new worry. He had no consistent faith or confidence in the relationship. I did, I guess because I was in denial. I would read the worry text and get a pinch. in my chest. What now? That's a sign I need to not ignore in the future. That's a pattern I don't want to be a part of any more. What I need is someone as solution oriented as I am, rather than someone problem oriented. I need a partner who has confidence in the bond and in themselves. I need someone who can provide me with stability instead of just questioning the relationship all the time. I feel disillusioned in that I was just showing up and giving my all to someone who never really believed in what we were doing and that it could ever be ok. What's the point? He always looked way into the future and found reasons this was going to be difficult. Contrast with what a beautiful future we would have. While effing up days at a time with an inability to just freaking relax and build something with me. Sounds like you gained a lot of data on what you want and don’t want. Like most people on these boards, we spend time on reflection, growth, self-improvement and how to become better people and ultimately partners, if we choose. Alternatively, I suspect many of our partners don’t take the time to reflect or invest the energy to do all of this inner-work, which is why we get texts like the one you received. A lot of words, but without a lot of meaning. Someday it should pay off in spades for those working towards healthy relationships. Hang in!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 21:55:03 GMT
I'm just going to work through my thoughts and feelings about this here to see if I can understand more about what I really need in a relationship. The video was a great synopsis, but there's more . I got a good night of sleep and I woke up with some more thoughts about it all. There was a pattern that became established that I don't want to repeat. I want to be alert to it happening and recognize when it's me working hand over fist to bail out a sinking ship. The pattern was this. We would have a nice time, day a quiet weekend together with sleepovers, some fun activity, lounging around, cooking together or whatever. I enjoyed the weekend together and had no problem balancing that out with the natural separation of the work week, when our conflicting schedules had us mostly in contact with calls, texts, video calling... and still allowing me the time and space I need to have time for myself and my other priorities. I thrive with time by myself and solitary activities, and really the romantic relationship was my biggest personal involvement with others besides work and my kids. I don't hang out with friends much because really we are all similar but when we do get together it's deep and meaningful. Anyway, the pattern. After a great weekend, that left me feeling connected and relaxed and ready to go out to the other areas of my life and be my best (connection does that for me- it makes me feel like everything is better, I am in a good place to be my best for the other areas of my life.). So, he'd be at work and I would be doing my day, thinking fond thoughts of him while being able to dedicate myself to whatever it was I was doing, and I'd get The Text. He's been thinking. He has some uncertainties. Where is this going? He's got some doubt, always a new doubt. Some new obstacle, some reason that this may not be as stable as we thought and we have to talk about it. He'd ask, can you video? I've always made myself available for that. I enjoy when it's just a good conversation checking in and saying hello, love ya, whatever. But I always took the video call in this case also because I wanted to know, what is wrong? Is there something I've missed? Once we got on video call, I could see him smiling and the sun was coming out of his face at me so I knew he was ok, just thinking through something and I would try to help him unpack it. Whatever the concern was, we would talk about it and either come up with a solution or just ease a doubt and I'd feel like it was just a little wrinkle and things are fine, we would move forward with an awareness of whatever it was and no big deal. What I see looking back, is that his own insecurity had him constantly looking to me for answers, or to assure him of this or that, that everything was going to be fine, and he was always shaking the foundation. I was in a position to always be consulted to stabilize and provide security, while receiving no assurance or security myself. There was always Something. Well, not always, it was intermittent with "This is the best most happiest thing ever and I want if forever!". Over time, I feel like O was doing all the heavy work to stabilize things while he constantly chopped away at it with his worry and overthinking. I learned that whatever we resolved, was not really resolved. And, if it was, there was a new worry coming. And, if he felt secure and ready to just move forward, a day at a time, he would soon change and come with a new concern. I can look back and see that I foolishly relaxed inbetween those times, and even though it was a pattern I would be surprised by each new worry. He had no consistent faith or confidence in the relationship. I did, I guess because I was in denial. I would read the worry text and get a pinch. in my chest. What now? That's a sign I need to not ignore in the future. That's a pattern I don't want to be a part of any more. What I need is someone as solution oriented as I am, rather than someone problem oriented. I need a partner who has confidence in the bond and in themselves. I need someone who can provide me with stability instead of just questioning the relationship all the time. I feel disillusioned in that I was just showing up and giving my all to someone who never really believed in what we were doing and that it could ever be ok. What's the point? He always looked way into the future and found reasons this was going to be difficult. Contrast with what a beautiful future we would have. While effing up days at a time with an inability to just freaking relax and build something with me. Sounds like you gained a lot of data on what you want and don’t want. Like most people on these boards, we spend time on reflection, growth, self-improvement and how to become better people and ultimately partners, if we choose. Alternatively, I suspect many of our partners don’t take the time to reflect or invest the energy to do all of this inner-work, which is why we get texts like the one you received. A lot of words, but without a lot of meaning. Someday it should pay off in spades for those working towards healthy relationships. Hang in! Yes! I've asked for a longer period of no contact to focus on my own processes without getting tangled in his.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 13:15:35 GMT
I had a great conversation with a friend and confidante about all this, and she reminded me to turn my attention away from the negatives and toward the positives. It was such an affirming and uplifting conversation. Together we acknowledged the pain and confusion and heartbreak of what has happened, but she challenged me to focus on what I currently have and am creating.
So, I've been meditating a little bit on what I am letting go of, and what I am opening to. It's a great way for me to stay on track and it get mired in reaction and negative thinking.
Letting go of confusion and opening to understanding and clarity. Letting go of anger and fear and opening to forgiveness, for both of us. Letting go of conflict and opening to peace. Letting go of chaotic communication and opening to emotional honesty and simplicity. Letting go of an unstable relationship and enjoying the consistency and security of healthy relationships that I have. Letting go of disappointment and loss and opening to thankfulness for the many blessings I have. Letting go of regret and opening to what I'm accomplishing in the present.
When I think of things this way the list goes on and on, for every negative thought and feeling there is a very real and present positive reality that I can focus on to keep growing in the direction I want to go. Breaking up stinks but this has been the most conscious move toward emotional health and integrity that I've ever been able to make.
I know it wasn't all in vain and there is a lot of fodder for growth and healing here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 13:17:24 GMT
Anyway, the pattern. After a great weekend, that left me feeling connected and relaxed and ready to go out to the other areas of my life and be my best (connection does that for me- it makes me feel like everything is better, I am in a good place to be my best for the other areas of my life.). So, he'd be at work and I would be doing my day, thinking fond thoughts of him while being able to dedicate myself to whatever it was I was doing, and I'd get The Text. He's been thinking. He has some uncertainties. Where is this going? He's got some doubt, always a new doubt. Some new obstacle, some reason that this may not be as stable as we thought and we have to talk about it. He'd ask, can you video? I've always made myself available for that. I enjoy when it's just a good conversation checking in and saying hello, love ya, whatever. But I always took the video call in this case also because I wanted to know, what is wrong? Is there something I've missed? Once we got on video call, I could see him smiling and the sun was coming out of his face at me so I knew he was ok, just thinking through something and I would try to help him unpack it. Whatever the concern was, we would talk about it and either come up with a solution or just ease a doubt and I'd feel like it was just a little wrinkle and things are fine, we would move forward with an awareness of whatever it was and no big deal. Sorry for butting in but I thought your insight was helpful. I recognize the pattern perfectly. I understood the confusion it must have created, but not enough to control my triggers. Albeit it my case there was very little consistency or validation and as much I loved the good moments they were also my triggers because I knew it won't last, I knew there was a trick(because of both, his past behavior and my past trauma). I was shooting myself in the foot, knowingly. It doesn't seem like you did anything wrong so I suspect that his attachment figures must have been very ambivalent, inconsistent and their love must have been nothing but conditional. He probably now struggles with object constancy hence the need to check if you're (or will be) still there. It's awful actually. You have no way to predict your partner's constancy, and there's nothing worse than being attached, letting yourself to be vulnerable with another person and truly not knowing what you can expect from them next. The natural need for safety forces you to self-sabotage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 13:43:12 GMT
Anyway, the pattern. After a great weekend, that left me feeling connected and relaxed and ready to go out to the other areas of my life and be my best (connection does that for me- it makes me feel like everything is better, I am in a good place to be my best for the other areas of my life.). So, he'd be at work and I would be doing my day, thinking fond thoughts of him while being able to dedicate myself to whatever it was I was doing, and I'd get The Text. He's been thinking. He has some uncertainties. Where is this going? He's got some doubt, always a new doubt. Some new obstacle, some reason that this may not be as stable as we thought and we have to talk about it. He'd ask, can you video? I've always made myself available for that. I enjoy when it's just a good conversation checking in and saying hello, love ya, whatever. But I always took the video call in this case also because I wanted to know, what is wrong? Is there something I've missed? Once we got on video call, I could see him smiling and the sun was coming out of his face at me so I knew he was ok, just thinking through something and I would try to help him unpack it. Whatever the concern was, we would talk about it and either come up with a solution or just ease a doubt and I'd feel like it was just a little wrinkle and things are fine, we would move forward with an awareness of whatever it was and no big deal. Sorry for butting in but I thought your insight was helpful. I recognize the pattern perfectly. I understood the confusion it must have created, but not enough to control my triggers. Albeit it my case there was very little consistency or validation and as much I loved the good moments they were also my triggers because I knew it won't last, I knew there was a trick(because of both, his past behavior and my past trauma). I was shooting myself in the foot, knowingly. It doesn't seem like you did anything wrong so I suspect that his attachment figures must have been very ambivalent, inconsistent and their love must have been nothing but conditional. He probably now struggles with object constancy hence the need to check if you're (or will be) still there. Don't be sorry, I appreciate your input. I know I have insecurity, and I deactivate with sudden reversals. Without sudden reversals I feel very able to navigate difficulty. I was able to ride the roller coaster a little while without becoming too unnerved, but it seems that when his internal state became too much he would behave in a way that left me baffled and hurt- it was beyond the anxiety and seeking reassurance. So perhaps that was a "push"? Maybe be beae overloaded. He says that he never ever intended to push me away. He could identify the reasons that I felt pushed back or knocked off balance, in retrospect when we would discuss it. I known he was trying very hard to be a good partner, and that makes me sad for us. But he hasn't got enough awareness of himself and I believe suffers from some dissociation. I dissociate if heavyily triggered. I recognize and so does he, that his career necessitates some blocking of emotion, also. I wonder what elements of FA attachment affect any behavior or internal dialog of mine, because it's not much in my AT scoring but it is there, and I know it manifests in me also. But I'm very confused about it because I can't relate to so much of what I've read. I'm still trying to just understand what I may be missing, in my own patterns. He says he felt loved and cared for consistently in our relationship, except of course when I would deactivate with his shifts. We've pretty much been able to identify baffling changes in his approach to me with each major conflict. Unfortunately, they were very triggering for me. And for him, they all seem to be rooted in a fear of losing me. A fear that he wasn't consciously apprehending, but could reasonably speculate was there in retrospect. Like with the threat he couldn't acknowledge over the other man situation... until much later. He couldn't own it at all initially. Seemed completely unaware or in denial. But he does acknowledge tremendous abandonment issues, when not in immediate distress. I'm sharing this with you because maybe you relate, maybe talking things out a little can help us both. In this, I am trying to unbox my own perceptions and habits and thinking, especially around and FA influence in myself. For the most part, without instability, I feel able to pick a lane and show up consistently and easily, but these big glitches were traumatic for me. Very disorienting, and over time I could not deeply trust and feel secure with his intention, because I don't think he could either. And, he is confused about mine , because of the deactivation. My intention was to be with him forever. I felt that much and our good parts were so compatible in terms of our personal and spiritual values, and appreciation for who the other is, the way we could enjoy our day's side by side and find contentment together. In between the dips. I understand that the dips made it unworkable, it still does make me sad. Even knowing my limit makes me sad. My consolation is that I have stabilty and security. My sadness is that I don't have what we were trying to build. I accept it but am sad about it still. Thanks for your comments!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 15:21:38 GMT
Yes, it is a push. It's to push you away without the intent. Baffling, I know. I liked how it was presented here www.regain.us/advice/attachment/what-to-do-if-you-have-a-disorganized-attachment/ "An infant with an avoidant attachment has learned that crying won't make the caregiver bring the food any faster. Instead, the mother rejects them. So, they avoid the mother. A resistant infant shows angry behavior when the mother finally brings the food."
DA's reaction to a trigger is fixed "I don't want it!" because the outcome was always the same. DA learnt they'll be let down each time. "A disorganized attachment is different because the infant never knows what to expect. The mother might respond quickly and lovingly one time and ignore them the next. "
"I don't want it!" is not a rejection but a prophylactic reaction in case they'll be let down. FA never knows what to expect. Ultimately what could make this pairing work is both partners being aware, having a common goal and trusting each other enough to know that none of this is personal(therefore- remaining not affected by triggered partner). Trust might be a keyword. I know I became very aware, I also knew his patterns but I simply didn't trust thus I was unable to control myself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 15:38:17 GMT
Yes, it is a push. It's to push you away without the intent. Baffling, I know. I liked how it was presented here www.regain.us/advice/attachment/what-to-do-if-you-have-a-disorganized-attachment/ "An infant with an avoidant attachment has learned that crying won't make the caregiver bring the food any faster. Instead, the mother rejects them. So, they avoid the mother. A resistant infant shows angry behavior when the mother finally brings the food."
DA's reaction to a trigger is fixed "I don't want it!" because the outcome was always the same. DA learnt they'll be let down each time. "A disorganized attachment is different because the infant never knows what to expect. The mother might respond quickly and lovingly one time and ignore them the next. "
"I don't want it!" is not a rejection but a prophylactic reaction in case they'll be let down. FA never knows what to expect. Ultimately what could make this pairing work is both partners being aware, having a common goal and trusting each other enough to know that none of this is personal(therefore- remaining not affected by triggered partner). Trust might be a keyword. I know I became very aware, I also knew his patterns but I simply didn't trust thus I was unable to control myself. THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. From my side, the push felt like repeated, unwarranted and impossible to understand rejection. Which is triggering. Thank you for having this conversation with me. Although it makes me sad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 16:22:58 GMT
Hanana, Ive simply never experienced the ups and downs like that, and I don't believe I would ever be able to tolerate it because it was too disruptive even if there is an explanation for it. I can easily accept that he didn't mean to be rejecting, cold, distant. And still, I am not happy with a partner who is hot and cold. If he had awareness and was actively addressing this dilemma then two of us with awareness and work could potentially make headway. At one point I asked he if would like to go to counseling together to support our understanding and coping , so that attachment issues didn't tear us apart, and he said Nah,, he doesn't have time for that. That was my clear answer, that's all I need to understand. He's just not there and continuing to invest in such an unstable dynamic would be unbearable to me. My need for peace and stability reigns supreme. It's stronger than my need for connection, hope, validation, or a relationship. If I am going to involve myself in a relationship, I am looking for a partnership that can encompass those core needs instead of exclude some of the most vital.
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