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Post by bohemianraspberry on Feb 13, 2020 15:22:49 GMT
So just curious if he was secure and just inexperienced and simply just uninterested in his past relationships, or even me, and I was just too insecure, could I have just triggered my own AP? Dear lostinlove, I recommend you to do this: Take a piece of paper. Make two columns. Read through this whole thread. In the first column, write how the forum members describes your ex (attachment style, behaviour). In the second column, write how the forum members describes you, and which advice they have given you. That should sum it up.
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Post by amber on Feb 13, 2020 19:17:24 GMT
So just curious if he was secure and just inexperienced and simply just uninterested in his past relationships, or even me, and I was just too insecure, could I have just triggered my own AP? I think you need to stop with this question. It’s self defeating and you are getting nowhere with it.would it matter anyway? The relationship is over regardless, you are having a lot of trouble accepting that and this thought keeps you stuck in non acceptance.
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Post by lostinlove on Feb 13, 2020 19:31:38 GMT
It does matter, because I literally cannot stop blaming this all on myself. I need help, I need answers. He never gave me closure, other than I "burned and broke" him, so I'm desperately trying to find closure. I'm hurting so bad feeling like I was completely at fault causing him to treat me this way because I was insecure. Just trying to understand this all. I know people have said he sounds avoidant, but our "breakups" were only for 2-3 days at most, and he just threw me out of his life like I never existed, never apologized, nothing. So I literally am so down and defeated.
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Post by doctora on Feb 13, 2020 19:36:53 GMT
Here is my solicited/unsolicited advice:
1. Read attached: by amir Levine and rachel heller 2. Read the two books by jen kinneson 3. Reread this thread 4. Write him a letter - don’t send it, at least not yet 5. Write yourself a letter as yourself a year from now
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Post by Dualcitizen on Feb 13, 2020 19:37:46 GMT
It does matter, because I literally cannot stop blaming this all on myself. I need help, I need answers. He never gave me closure, other than I "burned and broke" him, so I'm desperately trying to find closure. I'm hurting so bad feeling like I was completely at fault causing him to treat me this way because I was insecure. Just trying to understand this all. I know people have said he sounds avoidant, but our "breakups" were only for 2-3 days at most, and he just threw me out of his life like I never existed, never apologized, nothing. So I literally am so down and defeated. I'll give you the drum, if he was a healthy "secure" attachment, if you were overbearing and or emotionally dysfunctional, and if it were me, and I called something off, I wouldn't be back for more I can tell you. Definitely an insecure attachment (along with his use of abusive language as well, you never talk to someone like that regardless, you in a centred way sit down and literally try and talk about stuff first). And by the sounds you've been in a stereotypical Anxious-Avoidant trap.
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Post by amber on Feb 13, 2020 19:51:22 GMT
It does matter, because I literally cannot stop blaming this all on myself. I need help, I need answers. He never gave me closure, other than I "burned and broke" him, so I'm desperately trying to find closure. I'm hurting so bad feeling like I was completely at fault causing him to treat me this way because I was insecure. Just trying to understand this all. I know people have said he sounds avoidant, but our "breakups" were only for 2-3 days at most, and he just threw me out of his life like I never existed, never apologized, nothing. So I literally am so down and defeated. You may never get the closure you seek, part of that is because this isn’t about him and is likely at least partly about your past as a child, trying to find some resolution about a r/ship with a parent through him. Also, he doesn’t understand himself so how can you? You can only speculate using attachment theory. You can spin your wheels forever going around and around hoping for answers that may never come...you have also had an enormous amount of answers from people on this forum who are very knowledgeable and experienced yet that has not quenched your desire to keep seeking answers ... I know how you feel as I spent months seeking answers over the breakup with my ex FA. Once I deeply understood attachment I let it go. And I accepted I would never really get to the ultimate truth of what happened as that is not possible. Having the answers may not dull your pain either, you probably need to do a heap of crying/grieving work over time for pain resolution. Sometimes in life, we can’t always know exactly why things happen, we have to accept we don’t have control and move on. The only thing you have control of is yourself, not him. He won’t come back because you have the answers either.
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Post by serenity on Feb 13, 2020 20:50:38 GMT
Just wanted to add if you are still trying to contact him and his exes `for answers' and checking up on him on dating apps or social media, try *really* hard to stop all that. That kind of behaviour will intensify your anxiety and panic.
I agree with Amber. You are building a narrative about him `being perfect' and you being `all to blame', just as a young child creates a similar narrative towards a parent who isn't meeting their needs. Children do this because of their complete dependence on their parent, and to create an illusion of safety. If you are doing this in an adult relationship, instead of setting boundaries against abuse and abandoning behaviour, you are projecting something from your childhood.
Your job right now is to find your boundaries. You inner boundaries that protect your self worth especially. An abusive guy who frequently threatened to leave you, controls you via pushing buttons, makes promises then breaks connection with partners without any concern or remorse, is someone scary and not to be trusted. You should not be pursuing a man like this. You should be protecting yourself instead. I really hope you will come to see this.
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Post by lostinlove on Feb 13, 2020 21:01:35 GMT
I just fear that when he find the right one, he wont treat her anything like this, he will treat her right. Probably a well reserved, secure woman.
But even though I had insecurities, I tried so hard for us, I gave my all, I gave him genuine love, and always accepted him for his flaws.
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Post by amber on Feb 13, 2020 21:09:11 GMT
I just fear that when he find the right one, he wont treat her anything like this, he will treat her right. Probably a well reserved, secure woman. But even though I had insecurities, I tried so hard for us, I gave my all, I gave him genuine love, and always accepted him for his flaws. Because there’s a magical woman out there that will erase his entire past of abuse and mistreatment from parents and never trigger his baggage and wounds?
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Post by serenity on Feb 13, 2020 21:24:53 GMT
I just fear that when he find the right one, he wont treat her anything like this, he will treat her right. Probably a well reserved, secure woman. But even though I had insecurities, I tried so hard for us, I gave my all, I gave him genuine love, and always accepted him for his flaws. But he didn't give you genuine love, accept you for your flaws, and try so hard to make things work. Can you see how you don't need a one-sided relationship like this? Its not healthy for you to throw your needs under the bus like this. Lets say he goes on to a happy ever after relationship next. Is it possible for you to entertain the idea that this has nothing to do with your worth as a person?
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Post by doctora on Feb 13, 2020 21:25:40 GMT
I just finished reading that attachment book by Amir Levine that I recommended to you. From what I read, I have this understanding:
APs have more in common than secures, in their need for and acceptance of intimacy. Both would have difficulty with an avoidant, but a secure would have less difficulty leaving one. It is true that secures can ditch APs as well, but I’ve seen LOTS of couples (myself included) of APs and secures - they tend to do well, bc 1) secures tend to empathize and forgive more easily and 2) the APs often calm down with a good, secure partner. Sure, they are extreme APs to the point of abuse perhaps (for example, the ones who cheat, who manipulate to get reassurance), but I think that’s actually pretty rare and may be comorbid with some other psychological conditions. APs are often resilient, good partners who have unsorted issues from childhood and can benefit from a supportive partner and can become more secure, because they really value connection.
A lot of advice towards avoidants are to be with someone who is secure, but the truth is being with an avoidant can make secures more anxious. In the rare cases where ive read a “success” story about a relationship with an avoidant, it usually is with a partner who is AP and became more secure (the AP aspect caused a bond in the first place), or a secure who became more AP with the avoidant’s behavior and set some boundaries, but ultimately ended up compromising one-way.
My point is that, there is way more hope for you than this guy, once you address yourself issues, than this ex who is avoidant. If a secure woman did happen to get interested in him, she would be TURNED OFF by his avoidance that would inevitably rear its head. I guess this theoretical secure, if she stuck around, could mellow him out a bit.
Your best bet for success in any relationship, whether it be this one (I doubt that’s gonna happen, but it could) or a new one with someone better, is to start the process of understanding your anxiety and become more secure. Rejecting his behavior is the first step - that is what a secure would do. And that is the ONLY thing that in the long run, that would ironically challenge him to step up his game. Again, prolly not gonna happen!!!
But the answer to right now is to be assured, it is 100% positive he was avoidant and that you are anxious-preoccupied.
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Post by lostinlove on Feb 13, 2020 21:49:12 GMT
So I've just been assuming he treated me this way because he wanted out so bad and I was just insecure. Is it "normal" for them to spend alot of time with you, other than when theres conflict? Because we spent alot of time together, until his "I want out" remarks.
So I do know for a fact I am AP. But I would take a guess it's safe to assume that since he is newer to dating, because of his career, building a house, etc, that he just thinks everyone else is the problem, isnt compatible with them, etc, hence why I basically took all the blame and he just doesnt realize yet he has his own issues?
He told me when we broke up he was going to "work on himself" but as quickly as he jumped back on the dating scene, I dont think that was enough time, personally. Also, they tend to only be attracted to APs themselves, right? Is it the personality, or what is it?
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Post by mrob on Feb 14, 2020 10:24:22 GMT
Please. Do yourself a favour and read Jeb’s books, particularly for you, the Bad Boyfriends book. It explains the behaviour, thr whys, the hows, the triggers, and more importantly how you can trim your own sails so it doesn’t happen again.
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Post by number9 on Feb 14, 2020 19:19:31 GMT
So I've just been assuming he treated me this way because he wanted out so bad and I was just insecure. Is it "normal" for them to spend alot of time with you, other than when theres conflict? Because we spent alot of time together, until his "I want out" remarks. So I do know for a fact I am AP. But I would take a guess it's safe to assume that since he is newer to dating, because of his career, building a house, etc, that he just thinks everyone else is the problem, isnt compatible with them, etc, hence why I basically took all the blame and he just doesnt realize yet he has his own issues? He told me when we broke up he was going to "work on himself" but as quickly as he jumped back on the dating scene, I dont think that was enough time, personally. Also, they tend to only be attracted to APs themselves, right? Is it the personality, or what is it? Do you think it's easier to focus on "what's up with him?" rather than "what's up with me?" Obsessing over him is a distraction from thinking about yourself, figuring out how to move on in your own life. Can you imagine taking all that mental energy you are spending on him, and turning it onto yourself? Think about all you have to offer -- to yourself and eventually to another person. It's easier said than done -- I totally get the obsessing and ruminating thing -- but it's actually just an irrational "trick" you are playing on yourself to avoid thinking about the most important issue: YOU!
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Post by lostinlove on Feb 15, 2020 14:28:55 GMT
It's so hard to move on without him though. Its literally eating me away. I cannot stop telling myself he just wasnt interested in me, or I was just too much for him, and wanted out simply because of that.
Three months later I still cry every day about it. I still cry wondering why I wasnt worth it to him, all the nice things I did for him, all the love I portrayed to him. I mean when I was on the steroids that just added to my AP, and I'm sure I wasnt pleasant to be around. He did stay for a while. How is that not someone you want to be with?
I appreciate everyone's help right now, thoughts, input, etc. Its hard for me to open up a book right now.
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